See? I've never understood this. I romanced Morrigan in DAO, that but I never thought that Leliana was the WRONG romance.
Merrill was my choice in DA2, but I never felt that made me better than folks who shacked up with Isabela, Anders, or Fenris.
Well, I don't think Merill ever used her relationship with you to trick you into helping her kill a bunch of people, so that's bonus points for her. 
im all for discussion but the "vitriol" (no idea what this is) is constantProductive discussion do come out of these threads, so long as the vitriol is kept to a minimum.
Well, I don't think Merill ever used her relationship with you to trick you into helping her kill a bunch of people, so that's bonus points for her.
Oooo, somebody got burned lol
Oooo, somebody got burned lol
Say what you want about Ander's romance, people remember it.
Say what you want about Ander's romance, people remember it.
I remember the absolute relief I felt when I was finally allowed to stab him to death.
Like I said, it's kind of an interesting point that Bioware thinks the "everyone is Player Sexual" thing was a bad thing for artistic reasons. I think there was room for debate in that.
This! One hundred thousand times this!
Freddie Mercury: Mage Extraordinaire should be for all.
Personally I think he looks more like Omar Sharif, but it's probably the hair/mustache.
Say what you want about Ander's romance, people remember it.
Not gonna lie, I believe I first tried the Anders romance on my second playthrough. Halfway through...it got weird. I don't know if it was because I knew what he was gonna do, or for some other reason, but I nope'd the hell out of there and never looked back. About 10 total playthroughs and I never once could ever do the romance with him. Fenris for life!
Rather like how people always remember their first broken bone or the DMV.
Sadly, I kinda agree.
So, moving on from the topic of representation amongst genders and sexualities for a bit-- What do you guys hope from the romance arcs this time? Not just whether you CAN romance them but what sort of things do you hope to see in the romances and what do you hope people will avoid?
A short list of mine:
1. Strong Women Being Made Vulnerable as a Sign of Romance: It worked for Morrigan because, really, she would have been more emotionally healthy being raised by wolves but that wasn't in the slightest bit romantic. Isabella's whole deal was troubling as well. I'd really just like a strong female romance who doesn't have this huge secret dark side struggling to get out.
2. Romances which are between two serious people: I love Leliana, really, but my Warden kept trying to steer the conversation to subjects about the Maker and her Assassin days because, really, those were the nice ones. I ultimately went with her over Morrigan but it was a hard choice because Morrigan was an overall much more serious and interesting person, I think. At least until we got a full sense of Leliana's character.
Merril, I just couldn't get into, because it was like dating the Malkavian from Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines and just too cutsey.
3. The Ability to Disagree without breaking the Friendship/Romance: This may be asking a bit much from Bioware but part of what I liked about Rivalry Romances were the fact that you could have strong ties between two people despite the fact you didn't believe in the same things. I didn't much care for how Aveline would say things like, "We're not really friends." when I'm going out of my way to help her with her romantic past but I liked poor Fenris and my Hawke's vitrol filled brotherhood.
4. Someone who is Pro-Mage: Cullen is an ex-Templar, Cassandra is an Ex-Templar, and Vivienne is anti-Mage/Templar war. I hope one of these three is Pro-Mage (even if I'd never romance Vivienne) because it's going to be awfully awkward in Skyward Keep if I'm constantly pushing my Extremist Mage Agenda and no one is agreeing.
Sadly, I kinda agree.
I feel your pain. DA:A Anders would have been a fun waifu for all. DA2 Anders was just... blegh.
I don't think they ever will use the DA2 approach in the future. Now that they're implementing straight characters alongside gay characters alongside bisexual characters (and eventually glimmers of shades inbetween, like with Iron Bull), I can't imagine they'll retract that. Honestly, though I griped about Solas, I still much prefer the DA:I approach.They never said they changed because of 'Artistic reason'. They used the DA2 approach because with the resources they had it was the best way to give everyone options. Gaider said long ago, when he stated that DA2 approach was likely going to be the one used in the future (I do think that they changed approach due to the time extension), that his favourite approach would be to have LI with different sexualities, as long as everyone have options.
I feel your pain. DA:A Anders would have been a fun waifu for all. DA2 Anders was just... blegh.
Ugh, DAA Anders was FUN. I hated to take DA2 Anders anywhere with me.
Merril, I just couldn't get into, because it was like dating the Malkavian from Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines and just too cutsey.
Malkavian is the only true way to play VTMB 
Ugh, DAA Anders was FUN. I hated to take DA2 Anders anywhere with me.
On the other hand my distaste for DA2 Anders did end up making me brosephs with Fenris who I would have otherwise not given much thought to.
Ugh, DAA Anders was FUN. I hated to take DA2 Anders anywhere with me.
He was a fun sarcastic bro
I don't think they ever will use the DA2 approach in the future. Now that they're implementing straight characters alongside gay characters alongside bisexual characters (and eventually glimmers of shades inbetween, like with Iron Bull), I can't imagine they'll retract that. Honestly, though I griped about Solas, I still much prefer the DA:I approach.
Yeah, unfortunately the time of sexual ambiguous characters is past.
The only thing I'm hoping for is that Sera is not as obnoxious as I'm afraid she'll be, that Josephine will be as fulfilling of a romance as a companion character, or that Blackwall is romanceable and doesn't have dead wife issues.
Or that Cassandra hits on my inquisitor and I find out Bioware was trolling me withe whole time. I would cry, lol.
2. Romances which are between two serious people: I love Leliana, really, but my Warden kept trying to steer the conversation to subjects about the Maker and her Assassin days because, really, those were the nice ones. I ultimately went with her over Morrigan but it was a hard choice because Morrigan was an overall much more serious and interesting person, I think. At least until we got a full sense of Leliana's character.
Merril, I just couldn't get into, because it was like dating the Malkavian from Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines and just too cutsey.
This is what I mostly want.
I appreciate the lighter moments in a romance when it is used to temper a more serious arc, or to show a softer and more human side to an otherwise dramatic character. This is one of the reasons I thought Morrigan had a well-done romance subplot, and I later came around to Fenris. The pet names, almost romantic comedy moments between characters like Merril were not for me.
Malkavian is the only true way to play VTMB
For a second run sure. But Clan Tremere and their blood magic are still mah favorite.
Yeah, unfortunately the time of sexual ambiguous characters is past.
Yeah, unfortunately the time of sexual ambiguous characters is past.
The only thing I'm hoping for is that Sera is not as obnoxious as I'm afraid she'll be,
Ugh, I am already not that interested in Sera's character. In fact, I feel like she's the only one of the companions that I'm not even remotely interested in being friends with.
2. Romances which are between two serious people: I love Leliana, really, but my Warden kept trying to steer the conversation to subjects about the Maker and her Assassin days because, really, those were the nice ones. I ultimately went with her over Morrigan but it was a hard choice because Morrigan was an overall much more serious and interesting person, I think. At least until we got a full sense of Leliana's character.
I think you'll get some good stuff with Cass in this regard. I'm really excited to see her character develop. She's probably my favorite of the companions as of now.
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