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[Who Knows]

Lol. More than half of the romances in SWTOR had some talk of kids. There's no reason why there can't be in DA:I.

[metalfenix]

That just leaves us with Viv and Blackwall. I still cling to the hope we get a Bi Blackwall there...but then reality hits me in the face, and I see a straight Vivienne all over it.

 

Damn it blackwall!! I'll even roll a female inq if you end as a straight Li! By the way..who could have guessed this...solas race and gender gated. First straight elf we have on dragon age, gotta hand it down to bioware to make a non-bi elf Li.

[Ryzaki]

As long as it's the minority of romances and not the majority I'm fine with kid talks.

 

Just not the majority like SWTOR please. Some of the "Let's have kids!" convos resulted in me having a da hell look on my face *coughREVELcough*

[Willowhugger]

That just leaves us with Viv and Blackwall. I still cling to the hope we get a Bi Blackwall there...but then reality hits me in the face, and I see a straight Vivienne all over it.

 

Damn it blackwall!! I'll even roll a female inq if you end as a straight Li! By the way..who could have guessed this...solas race and gender gated. First straight elf we have on dragon age, gotta hand it down to bioware to make a non-bi elf Li.

 

If they make a heterosexual Orlasian, I may have to drop the game.
 

My suspension of disbelief would be BLOWN.

 

(Their sexual freedom is about the only thing I like about them)

[Aimi]

Lol. More than half of the romances in SWTOR had some talk of kids. There's no reason why there can't be in DA:I.

All the romances in SWTOR were heterosexual.

[HiroVoid]

All the romances in SWTOR were heterosexual.

A good bit of them were still about adoption if you were playing different species.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

As long as it's the minority of romances and not the majority I'm fine with kid talks.

 

Just not the majority like SWTOR please. Some of the "Let's have kids!" convos resulted in me having a da hell look on my face *coughREVELcough*

I think it would be nice if it was almost always an option that you have to pick and that, if they do bring it up, you can definitely tell them it's not something you're interested in, if you want. Having it in the dialog wheel as something you can choose to bring up or not would help in the majority of cases, though. 

[Aimi]

A good bit of them were still about adoption if you were playing different species.

The only one of those that I remember is Aric Jorgan's.

Which was pretty funny later on when Cathar became a playable race.

[Ailith Tycane]

I was playing that Cyndi Lauper song from this page and forgot it was coming from this forum and not my music player so when I F5'd to refresh I was super sad it stopped playing. 

 

It did make me think that this is the Blackwall fandom right now. 

 

[Who Knows]

All the romances in SWTOR were heterosexual.

I know. I was responding to the idea that there won't be any talk of kids in DA:I at all.

 

And Samantha does express an interest in having kids in ME3, now that I've checked.

[LobselVith8]

Yes, because none of the incredible things you mentioned have anything to do with artificial insemination or with reproduction in general. To say what you said is to place a burden on the word "since" that it cannot possibly be expected to bear.

 

None of the examples were supposed to, since I've continually stressed that it showed there are other grandiose undertakings that are possible within Thedas, and therefore some equivalent of artificial insemination might be one of them. It shouldn't take multiple pages to explain this to you; as it's not that hard to grasp.

[Icy Magebane]

I think it would be nice if it was almost always an option that you have to pick and that, if they do bring it up, you can definitely tell them it's not something you're interested in, if you want. Having it in the dialog wheel as something you can choose to bring up or not would help in the majority of cases, though. 

One thing about the possibility of disagreeing with the LI on children... if an LI brings it up and the PC isn't interested, we'll inevitably be hit with an approval loss.  I think that there should be a later conversation that addresses this which can potentially nullify that initial loss.  On the other hand, the PC could be extremely rude for more disapproval or they come to some kind of understanding that results in approval gain... there are a lot of ways this could be handled to create a realistic scenario that works within the boundaries of the game mechanics... so if this or any other touchy subject comes up in one or more romances, I hope there is some way of following up and attempting to reconcile rather than just leaving things on a bad note.  That never felt right to me in past games, whatever the disagreement may have been about...

[Ryzaki]

I think it would be nice if it was almost always an option that you have to pick and that, if they do bring it up, you can definitely tell them it's not something you're interested in, if you want. Having it in the dialog wheel as something you can choose to bring up or not would help in the majority of cases, though. 

 

True. Hopefully there'd be some "sure I'd love to." and some "no way in hell." mixed in XD (on both the companion and PCs sides).

[Tamyn]

I'd be happy if the topic even came up at all! In a way that isn't "you're barren so I'm dumping you" or "I'm getting pregnant then leaving forever."

[Nocte ad Mortem]

One thing about the possibility of disagreeing with the LI on children... if an LI brings it up and the PC isn't interested, we'll inevitably be hit with an approval loss.  I think that there should be a later conversation that addresses this which can potentially nullify that initial loss.  On the other hand, the PC could be extremely rude for more disapproval or they come to some kind of understanding that results in approval gain... there are a lot of ways this could be handled to create a realistic scenario that works within the boundaries of the game mechanics... so if this or any other touchy subject comes up in one or more romances, I hope there is some way of following up and attempting to reconcile rather than just leaving things on a bad note.  That never felt right to me in past games, whatever the disagreement may have been about...

I think it should be handled according to what works for the character in question. Addressing it rudely or as a brush off should result in loss, I think, because why should being rude to your partner ever not result in losing approval? But in some cases, I think it should be more or less important to them. A character like Alistair or Morrigan probably isn't going to take "no children" well, but someone that's just mulling over the idea might be able to roll either way pretty easily. 

 

In some cases, it might be the other direction. I doubt Isabela would like the idea of having children at all, for example, and if you could bring it up with her, it might even result in rudeness on her part. I don't necessarily think they should feel like they need to give every single character a children discussion, but having that kind of tension possible with a "non-committal" type character once in a while based on some in-game context might be interesting. I don't think they should necessarily always agree that they'll have kids with you, either. Sometimes maybe you should have to decide either to not have them in the future, or break off the relationship. 

[Icy Magebane]

I think it should be handled according to what works for the character in question. Addressing it rudely or as a brush off should result in loss, I think, because why should being rude to your partner ever not result in losing approval? But in some cases, I think it should be more or less important to them. A character like Alistair or Morrigan probably isn't going to take "no children" well, but someone that's just mulling over the idea might be able to roll either way pretty easily. 

 

In some cases, it might be the other direction. I doubt Isabela would like the idea of having children at all, for example, and if you could bring it up with her, it might even result in rudeness on her part. I don't necessarily think they should feel like they need to give ever single character a children discussion, but having that kind of tension possible with a "non-committal" type character once in a while based on some in-game context might be interesting. I don't think they should necessarily always agree that they'll have kids with you, either. Sometimes maybe you should have to decide either to not have them in the future, or break off the relationship. 

Well, I agree that it shouldn't be possible to force every companion to agree with the PC's opinion, whatever it may be.  I'm mainly in favor of a follow up conversation beyond the initial disapproval that usually results when there is a serious disagreement.  It seems odd to me that such a topic would only come up once, so either this would irreparably damage the relationship or the two parties agree to respect one another's wishes on this issue... basically I want major conflicts between the PC and LI to go beyond a single conversation, and come up later on... not the same issue with every LI and not every other conversation, of course, but sometimes it's not so easy to let things go.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Well, I agree that it shouldn't be possible to force every companion to agree with the PC's opinion, whatever it may be.  I'm mainly in favor of a follow up conversation beyond the initial disapproval that usually results when there is a serious disagreement.  It seems odd to me that such a topic would only come up once, so either this would irreparably damage the relationship or the two parties agree to respect one another's wishes on this issue... basically I want major conflicts between the PC and LI to go beyond a single conversation, and come up later on... not the same issue with every LI and not every other conversation, of course, but sometimes it's not so easy to let things go.

Yeah, I think that especially seems like a good idea if the first conversation doesn't go well. I think maybe sometimes characters could agree right off the bat and maybe a second wouldn't be necessarily. I mean, if both people already want the same thing, they might not need to talk about it again. If one party is rude or brushes the other off, then they might get a second chance to apologize and discuss it more seriously, even if they're still going to say they're not interested. 

[JadePrince]

Yeah, I think that especially seems like a good idea if the first conversation doesn't go well. I think maybe sometimes characters could agree right off the bat and maybe a second wouldn't be necessarily. I mean, if both people already want the same thing, they might not need to talk about it again. If one party is rude or brushes the other off, then they might get a second chance to apologize and discuss it more seriously, even if they're still going to say they're not interested. 

 

I think it'd be pretty awesome if we can get into fights with our LI without breaking off the whole relationship. I want conflict! That's what makes a good story! 

[SamanthaJ]

I think discussing children is a natural part of being in a relationship and I would personally love for such conversations to be possible, even if the end result is to decide "never" or "not right now." I love conversations included in fictional relationships that involve the possibility of children, will they settle down or not, where will they live etc. because it makes the relationship feel more whole. I can't stand it when romance is portrayed as "characters meet and are suddenly caught in a web of passion" or something because in those relationships plans are rarely ever made. I am a supporter of the Triangular Theory of Love which includes intimacy, passion, and commitment. I find that too often that the commitment part (particularly the long term plans aspect of it) is missing in fictional relationships which tend to focus too much on passion. But I'm a psychology nerd who takes fictional relationship too seriously so ignore me.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

If they do have kids in DAI.I hope it's like fable where you can 'make them disappear''.

They're not going to actually have kids in DA:I. With the exception of Schrodinger's Old God Baby, there isn't really a way for you to actually have kids in the games. They just sometimes let you talk about it with your partner, as a theoretical thing off in the future. But you won't actually have a baby in the context of the game.

[OctagonalSquare]

I think it should be handled according to what works for the character in question. Addressing it rudely or as a brush off should result in loss, I think, because why should being rude to your partner ever not result in losing approval? But in some cases, I think it should be more or less important to them. A character like Alistair or Morrigan probably isn't going to take "no children" well, but someone that's just mulling over the idea might be able to roll either way pretty easily. 

On a quick side note, why do you say Morrigan wouldn't take "no children" well? Other than the Dark Ritual being the only way to save your life, she doesn't seem like the kind of person who wants to settle down and raise kids. IIRC, she doesn't even say she loves you until much later on in the romance (in fact, I don't recall her mention any real emotional attachment until before the Dark Ritual) and scoffs at the idea of love beforehand. Hell, she hits on Sten right in front of you.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

On a quick side note, why do you say Morrigan wouldn't take "no children" well? Other than the Dark Ritual being the only way to save your life, she doesn't seem like the kind of person who wants to settle down and raise kids. IIRC, she doesn't even say she loves you until much later on in the romance (in fact, I don't recall her mention any real emotional attachment until before the Dark Ritual) and scoffs at the idea of love beforehand. Hell, she hits on Sten right in front of you.

With Morrigan, it's not really a settle down sort of thing, but she does get upset if you won't do the ritual, doesn't she? I don't know why she wanted to do it, but she seemed pretty set on it. I don't have any idea how she takes it if you're in a relationship with her and suggest Alistair/Loghain does the ritual. Can you do that? 

 

But, basically, in context she didn't take well to being told "no kids", but in a very unconventional sense. Not because she wants to settle down and have a family, but because... "make old god baby/???/profit?", I guess. 

[Samahl]

All the romances in SWTOR were heterosexual.

 

And what of people who play as trans Inquisitors? If you're a trans man and you're romancing Dorian, he should be able to impregnate you. Similarly, if you're a trans woman, and you're romancing Sera, you should be able to impregnate her.

 

EDIT: Not that I think pregnancy actually has a place in the DA series, just that being a same-sex romance shouldn't disqualify the discussion of potential children.

[carlo angelo]

You know, I'd totally laugh if for all Vivienne's ambition to cement a respectable position of power in society as a mage, her hidden agenda is for her family. As in, she'd have be comfortable enough to settle down and have children who will not be taken away from her and be sent to a Circle far away should they have magical abilities. I'd seriously be down for it.

 

...Or I might have said too much.