I think I might have missed something. Do you mean that people will get the short end of the stick because only some of the characters are bisexual, instead of all the the characters? Like all the characters being playersexual in DA2?
Also, I get that LGB means Lesbian Gay Bisexual, but I'm lost on the Q and T. What do those stand for?
Queer and Transexual
I think I might have missed something. Do you mean that people will get the short end of the stick because only some of the characters are bisexual, instead of all the the characters? Like all the characters being playersexual in DA2?
Also, I get that LGB means Lesbian Gay Bisexual, but I'm lost on the Q and T. What do those stand for?
Queer and trans if i'm not completely mistaken (and if so, feel free to correct me)!
Okay, I can't speak for anyone else, but putting representation aside, it's also more like, what one likes to entertained with. For example, I like playing narrative driven games, and games with a female protag. Nothing political behind it, but this is just what I enjoy! Don't players like me have a right to be entertained too, as long as we are paying the asking price for the product?
Something like that. The same goes for other demographics too. Actually, the industry is not too bad about it. They seem at least receptive to feedback, as long as it isn't rude. And do recognize that gaming has grown. Usually, it's other gamers who feel games should be limited to one "type" and one "demographic". Everyone else not part of this circle should just GTFO. An awful mentality really.
Yeah, sure, I get you, but most developers are always going to go for what is most profitable. Which is why we have so. Damn. Many. Shooters and nary an RPG or strategy game in comparison. Truth is, DA style RPGs (Call of Duty: Black Ops II grossed over 500 million in the US alone in its first 24 hours, while DAO only sold 3.2 million copies three months after its release) appeal to a fairly niche market, so there is going to be less of them. Similarly, LGBTQ content only appeals to a minority of players (even if non LGBTQ players can enjoy it) so there's going to be less of it.
If it's any consolation to you, they might drag someone else with them.
If Vivienne is straight, both gays and lesbians get the short end of the stick, yes.
But if Vivienne is a lesbian, all males get the short end of the stick
No. That's not really a consolation. Again, in 10 out of 10 of the Bioware games with romances, gay males have had the least amount of options and in 7 of those games we were tied with another group (often lesbians). Being tied for last is still last. I would just like to see "last" spread around a bit.
Hmm, no offense, but could you be more specific?
As I said, there are possible scenarios left where straight people do not get any more lucky than homosexuals.
There are zero possibilities where either gay men or gay women don't have the least amount of options. Either it's Vivienne in which case, it's either gay men or (if she's straight) both gay men and lesbians. Or it's Blackwall, in which case, it's either lesbians or (if he's straight), both lesbians and gay men.
There are absolutely no ways to make it work that both gay men and lesbians don't get the least amount of options again.
I'd say that seeing from time to time at least a couple of "Thank you Bioware for caring!" posts would be nice
You need to look harder then, because I see these posts almost every single day on the BSN.
Hmm, no offense, but could you be more specific?
As I said, there are possible scenarios left where straight people do not get any more lucky than homosexuals.
Queer and Transexual
Oh. Sorry for the stupid question, but I always thought that queer and gay were the same thing. Are they not? Also that gay meant that a person was gay, not just a man, but a woman as well, so lesbians were covered under the term of gay? In my brain there's just GBT.
There currently exists a situation where either gay males or lesbian women will have fewer options than the other sexualities. Having any sexuality underrepresented is a problem, but it's more of an issue when the underrepresented party is traditionally ostracised from other media. A straight male (for example) has a large number of games to choose from should one not cater to his demographic. The same can't be said for LGBTQ individuals.
Even if equality among the LI's was achieved there would still be work to do- it's just as important to see LGBTQ individuals represented properly among the background NPC's otherwise LGBTQ players are a small island in a sea of heteronormativity, and frankly that's no way to treat anyone
BW will get there, and other developers will follow, but progress takes time
Char, you are the best!
not the same amount of options =/= underepresented
they'd be underepresented if there were no gay options
Oh. Sorry for the stupid question, but I always thought that queer and gay were the same thing. Are they not? Also that gay meant that a person was gay, not just a man, but a woman as well, so lesbians were covered under the term of gay? In my brain there's just GBT.
I always though Queer was a slur, so go figure
You mean: "Thanks Bioware for adding minorities, for being of few companies which care!"?You need to look harder then, because I see these posts almost every single day on the BSN.
No. That's not really a consolation.
I know. Twas but a joke.
There are absolutely no ways to make it work that both gay men and lesbians don't get the least amount of options again.
That's actually not true. Either gay men or lesbians will get the short end of the stick, and maybe both, but you need to notice straight people can also end up in that position. There is no favoritism here.
You make a legitimate criticism here, but the issue here is fairly minor. Can't we just point it out and hope the next game will do better in this regard?
Oh. Sorry for the stupid question, but I always thought that queer and gay were the same thing. Are they not? Also that gay meant that a person was gay, not just a man, but a woman as well, so lesbians were covered under the term of gay? In my brain there's just GBT.
"Queer" is a term that is often used as a general catch all. If someone doesn't want to be categorized or if someone is talking about all sexualities that aren't just "hetero", then queer is an appropriate term. Some people like. Others, not so much. I still will never self-identify as queer because there are just way too many negative connotations associated with the word, but I know that some people, particularly millennials and younger, see it as a reappropriation of a slur.
"Gay" does count for both men and women. There's just a more accurate term for gay women, so people use lesbian. Because "lesbian" refers to just women, "gay" has become more associated with men since we don't have another word just for us. However, both "gay women" and "lesbians" are accurate for the ladies.
Okay, so to fully understand the issue that people are talking about...
If there are an equal amount of hetero/******/bi LI's in the game... How are the LGBQT's not being equally represented? And what needs to be done for them to be equally represented?
Edit: Apparently h o m o is a bad word?
Yeah, sure, I get you, but most developers are always going to go for what is most profitable. Which is why we have so. Damn. Many. Shooters and nary an RPG or strategy game in comparison. Truth is, DA style RPGs (Call of Duty: Black Ops II grossed over 500 million in the US alone in its first 24 hours, while DAO only sold 3.2 million copies three months after its release) appeal to a fairly niche market, so there is going to be less of them. Similarly, LGBTQ content only appeals to a minority of players (even if non LGBTQ players can enjoy it) so there's going to be less of it.
I know. Twas but a joke.
That's actually not true. Either gay men or lesbians will get the short end of the stick, and maybe both, but you need to notice straight people can also end up in that position. There is no favoritism here.
You make a legitimate criticism here, but it is hardly the issue here is fairly minor. Can't we just point it out and hope the next game will do better in this regard?
The thing is, we've pointed it out and hoped it would get better every time. And still? I guess it's fair to say we should wait for the last, but past experience doesn't leave us with much hope.
I'm curious, if Blackwall ends up as the last romance (and bisexual) would that change anyone's feeling about this situation around here?
but you need to notice straight people can also end up in that position. There is no favoritism here.
Straight people won't end up in that position, they already got 1 more straight person. The next one will probably be Viv and straight males get more options as usual.
And gays get stuck with 2 only options. 
How are the LGBQT's not being equally represented? And what needs to be done for them to be equally represented?
We would like to have an equal amount of romance options, consistently, to straight players and we would like to see more LGBT character represented positively in the in-game world outside of the possible LIs. That's basically the request in a nutshell.
I know. Twas but a joke.
That's actually not true. Either gay men or lesbians will get the short end of the stick, and maybe both, but you need to notice straight people can also end up in that position. There is no favoritism here.
You make a legitimate criticism here, but the issue here is fairly minor. Can't we just point it out and hope the next game will do better in this regard?
Well, to be fair, I've been "pointing it out and hoping that the next game will do better in this regard" for over a decade. And, yes, I realize that there is still a possibility that straight men might be "tied for the least" options as well. And, if so, it will be the 2nd time in 11 games where it happens. If it happens to gay men too, then it will be the 11th time in 11 games where it happens. That's really my point. I just want to see a game where we do not have the least options. And it's looking unlikely that DA: I will be that game. Then, the next one up is ME 4 and we all know how well that team represents us, right? It's not the end of the world, clearly, but it just stinks because I had allowed myself to get my hopes up that either Solas or Blackwall would our third option and now it's probably not going to happen.
Queer and trans if i'm not completely mistaken (and if so, feel free to correct me)!
You are half right. The Q stands for questioning, as in people who are unsure of their sexuality. The term queer (which I hate) usually covers a broad spectrum of non-hetro sexualities and is not listed as a particular sub-group there in.
No group hug before my phone battery dies? Not even a small one?
GROUP HUG!
*hug*
(I'm on my phone, too, so I can't really look up a cool hug gif. Pretend there is a really cool one.)
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