A sassy First Enchanted?
If Vivienne ends up being the character Inquisitors can romance, hopefully both male and female, then we'll be seeing another side to her character, considering that she doesn't "value sentimentality". I see some character development in there somewhere.
That, and she's effing beautiful.
On a selfish note, I'd be happy. On a larger LGB concern, not really because then lesbians will be getting the least amount of options and they are the second least represented demographic (To put it quantitatively, they have received the least amount of options in 7 out of 10 of the previous games - "tying" for last with gay men in all of them).
I'm going to feel horrible that lesbians are getting left shorted again, because that's an equally bad situation as if Vivienne were bisexual. It definitely changes my opinion of how gay males fair in the game, but it is unfortunate that the other side of the coin for gay issues is taking the hit.
I can say I wouldn't be upset if it were gay men and straight women getting 1 - 2 more options than I was (as a lesbian)...especially since it would have to be 2 male LIs that are race-gated and most gay male/straight female race combos would only have 2 options anyway.
I keep hoping for a surprise that Vivienne and Blackwall are both romance options, and both bisexual.
I keep hoping for a surprise that Vivienne and Blackwall are both romance options, and both bisexual.
They won't to this...but it'd be very very very nice.
Honestly, nothing grates on me more than when straight people start "not counting" options that clearly exist. I really hate to be overtly hostile, but what this shows is that you seriously don't understand what it's like to really, actually not have options that do exist. Gays and lesbians consistently deal with really having less options. Not ones that they write off because they don't meet all the requirements you like. I would love to have Solas as an extra option for elves in addition to two more viable options. I would love to have the ability to romance Garrus, a long standing, favorite party member with an incredibly well developed backstory, rather than an NPC that shows up in the last game with nothing to talk about but his dead husband.
And it's even more grating after being told repeatedly that I "don't appreciate what I get". I'm really sorry, but this issue makes me want to tear my hair out.
You mean like Carth, who was the only option for hetero females in Knights of the Old Republic? 
Mr. "My-romance-feels-like-an-afterthought"?
I Just Hope I'm not coming off as a jerk.
Are we dismissing out of hand the possibility of a bit of role play here?
I'll be playing (at different times) as both genders and alignments.
Going with real life (Inquisitor = myself) is rather limiting.
Players are not a mage, assassin or berserker in real life, but folk are quite happy to adopt those roles aren't they?
You mean like Carth, who was the only option for hetero females in Knights of the Old Republic?
Juhani was the afterthought.
You mean like Carth, who was the only option for hetero females in Knights of the Old Republic?
More like Mr "hello-have-I-told-you-about-my-dead-wife-also-meet-my-devilspawn-plz-don't-kill-him"
That's the same everyone has. Except straight females, who got an extra one in DA2, and straight males, who got a hell of a lot in ME3.
Except that there is one more option to come. And there's no way for that option, regardless of who they are, to be for both gay men and lesbians. So, gay people (men, women, or both) are going to have the least amount of options again. That's the point.
Straight females have three options. One of them being an advisor doesn't change that, or make the two companions any less! What about lesbian women who at the moment have only one companion option-Sera, and one advisor. By your logic this must surely be worse.
EDIT: For personal opinions' sake, I should just add that I don't feel slighted at all to have the highest number of available LI's. I feel guilty, but not slighted, and my Inquisitor will be romancing Cullen
You should not feel guilty about it. Enjoy all three of your options! They all seem pretty damned cool. And then, afterwards, we can bond over how awesome IB is for both of us!
I know, I was just pointing out that two companion LI's would be seen as superior to some people.
Also, I think Blackwall is more likely at this point than Vivienne. Or straight female dwarves and gay male dwarves would have had only one option before Iron Bull was un-gated. In fact, straight female dwarves would not have had a single companion romance!
Yeah, but once you start putting in what some people see as superior, it loses all validity. I could legitimately think that elf romances are inferior, but that doesn't devalue them for people who like them.
I had to come to terms with Cullen being an advisor a long time ago. I was really heartbroken that he wasn't a full-fledged companion. He was the one character that I was really interested in. I'm not that in to Iron Bull. I have to play as an elf to be with Solas, also another character that I wasn't all that into. So as a hetero female who wanted to go adventuring with her love interest, I feel pretty screwed. But again, I've come to terms with the fact that Cullen is stuck at Skyhold while I go run around the countryside.
We don't know this yet. In fact, there is evidence that Cullen will be able to accompany you in some capacity.
He's elf romance, for people who play elf who's female and straight.
I just mean that he's no more option for straight qunari than he's to gay elf.
12,5% of possible Inquisitors can romance him. I can't be happy with that.
But he still counts as a straight female romance. If I chose not to romance Steve because he's an NPC, I can't very well say that he's not an option for me.
Honestly, nothing grates on me more than when straight people start "not counting" options that clearly exist. I really hate to be overtly hostile, but what this shows is that you seriously don't understand what it's like to really, actually not have options that do exist. Gays and lesbians consistently deal with really having less options. Not ones that they write off because they don't meet all the requirements you like. I would love to have Solas as an extra option for elves in addition to two more viable options. I would love to have the ability to romance Garrus, a long standing, favorite party member with an incredibly well developed backstory, rather than an NPC that shows up in the last game with nothing to talk about but his dead husband.
And it's even more grating after being told repeatedly that I "don't appreciate what I get". I'm really sorry, but this issue makes me want to tear my hair out.
THIS! 100% agree. If the character is in the game and a straight female can access him, then he's a straight female romance.
More like Mr "hello-have-I-told-you-about-my-dead-wife-also-meet-my-devilspawn-plz-don't-kill-him"
What's more romantic than a man talking about his dead wife?
Juhani was the afterthought.
And nothing for gay men. Surprise, surprise.
What's more romantic than a man talking about his dead wife?
A man talking about his dead wife while introducing you to his obnoxious brat!
I Just Hope I'm not coming off as a jerk.
Yeah, I was about ready to come after you with a cudgel at the start, but you're all right. I hope I wasn't overly preachy at the beginning.
What's more romantic than a man talking about his dead wife?
A man talking about his dead husband, says Bioware Montreal.
A man talking about his dead husband, says Bioware Montreal.
Hey, Cortez's story gave me the feels. It wasn't that bad.
I Just Hope I'm not coming off as a jerk.
You're willing to listen to the other side and civilly discuss what you do and do not agree with their points. That's enough for me to say you're not a jerk.
Hey, Cortez's story gave me the feels. It wasn't that bad.
You could say the same about Carth though.......... I think, both of them were bad, but that's just my opinion.
You should not feel guilty about it. Enjoy all three of your options! They all seem pretty damned cool. And then, afterwards, we can bond over how awesome IB is for both of us!
Now I feel left out 
Are we dismissing out of hand the possibility of a bit of role play here?
I'll be playing (at different times) as both genders and alignments.
Going with real life (Inquisitor = myself) is rather limiting.
Players are not a mage, assassin or berserker in real life, but folk are quite happy to adopt those roles aren't they?
No, but not everyone enjoys roleplaying a different sexual orientation or gender and that's fine.
Let's just imagine: The last LI is Blackwall and he's bisexual and Cassandra is gated against everyone but humans. Straight male elves, qunari, and dwarves would only have Josephine as an option. Would all of the straight male players be comforted by the fact that they could always play as a gay male and romance Iron Bull and Dorian? Probably not. Some might, but most wouldn't.
Yeah, I was about ready to come after you with a cudgel at the start, but you're all right. I hope I wasn't overly preachy at the beginning.
No you weren't preachy at all my annoyance was not at you I get more annoyed at people who are in a bad mood and go out of there way to spread it around and don't care about it.
Now I feel left out
We can bond too! Who do we overlap with?
Are we dismissing out of hand the possibility of a bit of role play here?
I'll be playing (at different times) as both genders and alignments.
Going with real life (Inquisitor = myself) is rather limiting.
Players are not a mage, assassin or berserker in real life, but folk are quite happy to adopt those roles aren't they?
We can bond too! Who do we overlap with?
I don't think we do. I take it you're not into curvy goddesses? 
That's okay. I was going to bromance Dorian anyway, and that IS something, now isn't it? 
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