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[Ianamus]

So let me just follow your logic:  If a game has more gay options than straight options, straight people would be justified in being "angry" and their argument would "hold weight".  But if a game has more straight options than gay options, gay people should just accept it as it is?

 

it depends entirely on who the game is being marketed towards. 

 

If a game is being marketed towards a general audience, and the majority of the romance options are tailored towards a niche demographic then... well, I can honestly see why some people would be annoyed. 

 

If it's being specifically marketed towards said demographic then nobody has any right to complain about anything. 

 

As for said people having to accept it if a game has more straight options... It's tricky. I can understand why it makes people angry and upset, but at the end of the day we are both in a minority. If you watch a movie aimed at a general audience it is very unlikely to have more gay couples than straight couples or more gay characters than straight characters. I suppose a lot more movies movies should have more... but romance options require direct audience participation, and I don't think things like 18+ romance scenes with same gender couples would work with a general audience. It makes more sense to create movie with lots of that content and aim it at the people who want to see it.

 

I suppose the best analogy I can think of is my vegetarianism. If I go to a normal restaurant I expect to have less options, because I'm a minority, and I accept that the majority of people want meat. If half the menu was vegetarian people would be annoyed, and I can appreciate why. But if I go to the restaurant aimed at vegetarians all the food is vegetarian, and no-one can complain because it's specifically aimed at me. 

 

And before you start furiously typing I know that it's an incredibly flawed analogy because vegetarianism is a choice, but as one, who feels quite strongly about it, It's a similar sort of mentality in my mind. I like male/male romance, but accept that the majority don't. I enjoy them in Bioware games, but I appreciate that the majority do not. If I want to be truly catered to in that regard then I download a BL game and enjoy a game that consists entirely of male romance paths. 

 

 

 

Of course.  Gays should always settle for less and be grateful for always getting less.

 

Sounds legit.

 

Straights, however, should never have to tolerate that.  Only then would that be an injustice.

 

I can't. 

 

Edit:

 

I memorialized the quote because it is so rich.

 

 

Straight people shouldn't always get more, but in games aimed at the average player (who is usually straight) It makes more sense that they would than a minority, because more people are getting access to the content. 

 

I didn't say anyone has to be grateful for it, or that it's a justice. I'm not particularly happy that it's the way things are, but that doesn't change the way things are. 

[sandalisthemaker]

actually according to the pic in the OP all people aside from a female elf all have 2 choices.  That fair, now I might be missing something, but thats how I'm reading the pic.

 

I've seen A LOT of animosity going back and forth in my time here...all be it some masked or subtle. Or cherry picking of information/posts (in numerous threads), but I don't see an issue.  All people (currently) have 2 choices as long as im reading the pic right.

 

Still. One. LI. Left.

[Ceoldoren]

Still. One. LI. Left.

Seems like no one is thinking ahead. Someone has to get the short end of the stick before this is all said and done. 

[Wulfram]

Seems like no one is thinking ahead. Someone has to get slighted before this is all said and done. 

 

Only if you consider getting less romance options a slight.

[Ceoldoren]

Only if you consider getting less romance options a slight.

Slight was probably the wrong word. Meant more like 'the short end of the stick'.

[sandalisthemaker]

 

Straight people shouldn't always get more, but in games aimed at the average player (who is usually straight) It makes more sense that they would than a minority, because more people are getting access to the content. 

 

I didn't say anyone has to be grateful for it, or that it's a justice. 

 

I stopped reading after the bolded because you just explained, in your quote that I memorialized, why they always should.

[TheJediSaint]

Slight was probably the wrong word. Meant more like 'the short end of the stick'.

It still comes off as treating romances as a zero-sum game.  Though I do understand the frustration gay and lesbian fans feel on the subject.

[Ianamus]

His opinion is that any media that has "more" gays is a "niche market" piece that the "mainstream" audience shouldn't be expected to enjoy.  We should only expect a gay main character in a set protagonist game, or any extra gay romances over straight ones, if the piece is specifically a "gay media" piece. It can't be a "mainstream piece" unless it represents the majority primarily, apparently.  

 

Gay male romance paths. There is difference between gay characters in media and player activated, interactive romance paths , which is a more niche market. For all genders and orientations. 

 

The average gay video game player isn't necessarily interested in it, the same way a lot of straight players don't care for romance paths or romance content in games. 

 

In fact a lot of male/male romance stuff is aimed at women. 

[HuldraDancer]

Oh dear I'm gone for a night and I come back to something not nice going on *sigh* guess it was silly to think the baby talk or the who are you going to romance first talk would still be going on

[TheJediSaint]

Oh dear I'm gone for a night and I come back to something not nice going on *sigh* guess it was silly to think the baby talk or the who are you going to romance first talk would still be going on

It's actually better than from this morning.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Gay male romance paths. There is difference between gay characters in media and player activated, interactive romance paths , which is a more niche market. 

 

The average gay video game player isn't necessarily interested in it, the same way a lot of straight players don't care for romance paths or romance content in games. 

 

In fact a lot of male/male romance stuff is aimed at women. 

So... okay, let me see if I understand you.

 

If a straight man can play as a gay or straight protagonist, but he has the option of 3 males he can romance or 2 females, that's a niche market game for gays.

 

But if a straight man buys a game where he has a set protagonist that is a gay male and has relationships with males as a scripted event.. then it can be mainstream and not a niche market piece of media?

 

I literally cannot begin to wrap my head around your reasoning, if this is what you are saying.   

[AEve1]

Not to derail, but.... How would you guys feel about Vivienne or Blackwall having a non-PC love interest? Maybe a quest like Aveline's, maybe an existing partner that they talk about. I think it would be really interesting (and a great way to get more representation in the main cast).

[sandalisthemaker]

Oh dear I'm gone for a night and I come back to something not nice going on *sigh* guess it was silly to think the baby talk or the who are you going to romance first talk would still be going on

 

Just having a bit of fun is all.

 

Lmao

[Ianamus]

I stopped reading after the bolded because you just explained, in your quote that I memorialized, why they always should.

 

I didn't say straight people should always have more interactive romance content, I said that there shouldn't really be more gay interactive romance content than straight romance content in games that aren't more aimed towards the market of people who want said content. 

[Yinello]

 

I suppose the best analogy I can think of is my vegetarianism. If I go to a normal restaurant I expect to have less options, because I'm a minority, and I accept that the majority of people want meat. If half the menu was vegetarian people would be annoyed, and I can appreciate why. But if I go to the restaurant aimed at vegetarians all the food is vegetarian, and no-one can complain because it's specifically aimed at me. 

 

And before you start furiously typing I know that it's an incredibly flawed analogy because vegetarianism is a choice, but as one, who feels quite strongly about it, It's a similar sort of mentality in my mind. I like male/male romance, but accept that the majority don't. I enjoy them in Bioware games, but I appreciate that the majority do not. If I want to be truly catered to in that regard then I download a BL game and enjoy a game that consists entirely of male romance paths. 

 

 

Let me change your analogy for you.

 

You're a vegetarian. You want to go out for dinner! But 9 out of 10 restaurants only serve meat dishes. The last 1o percent serve around 6 vegetarian dishes and 4 meat dishes. A couple of meatlovers complains loudly to a restaurant owner that he should be ashamed for favoring vegetarians because this is a meat loving town and restaurants should mostly cater to meatlovers.

 

Meatlovers constantly tell you that you're a minority - and yet you've met many vegetarians who one day hope they will find a restuarant that has them in the first place or even start a restaurant themselves! Despite many articles and blogs that write about how it's time for restaurants to change, how more vegetarians are making themselves public, even meatlovers standing up and demanding more vegetarian meals and scientists/psychologists saying on TV how it's important (and healthy!) for restaurants to have vegetarian meals, there's this buzzing internet crowd who angrily retorts whenever a restaurant adds more vegetarian dishes. And if that wasn't enough, the big popular restaurants just pretend vegetarians don't exist because they don't want to risk cutting profits.

 

The truth is that it wouldn't hurt us in the long run by giving the other side more so now and then when they've always had less or none. Because we will never lose 'straight options'. Straight people will never be ignored.

 

Edited for spelling mistakes.

[90s Luke]

Not to derail, but.... How would you guys feel about Vivienne or Blackwall having a non-PC love interest? Maybe a quest like Aveline's, maybe an existing partner that they talk about. I think it would be really interesting (and a great way to get more representation in the main cast).

 

Oddly enough, I think that Vivienne and Blackwall would make a perfect couple.

[DeityDi]

Not to derail, but.... How would you guys feel about Vivienne or Blackwall having a non-PC love interest? Maybe a quest like Aveline's, maybe an existing partner that they talk about. I think it would be really interesting (and a great way to get more representation in the main cast).

It'll be interesting to hear or see something like that as long as it's not another dead wife. In fact, I really want to know already, who will hoock up in the team this time if they're not-romanced by pc. 

[HuldraDancer]

It's actually better than from this morning.

It is? Well that's something I suppose.

 

Just having a bit of fun is all.

 

Lmao

Sorry I read the thing you memorialized and kind of blanked out other post from too much head shaking (and  apparently made the wrong assumption that the thread was going into that direction)

[Yinello]

Not to derail, but.... How would you guys feel about Vivienne or Blackwall having a non-PC love interest? Maybe a quest like Aveline's, maybe an existing partner that they talk about. I think it would be really interesting (and a great way to get more representation in the main cast).

 

Vivienne / Celene?

[Ianamus]

So... okay, let me see if I understand you.

 

If a straight man can play as a gay or straight protagonist, but he has the option of 3 males he can romance or 2 females, that's a niche market game for gays.

 

But if a straight man buys a game where he has a set protagonist that is a gay male and has relationships with males as a scripted event.. then it can be mainstream and not a niche market piece of media?

 

I literally cannot begin to wrap my head around your reasoning, if this is what you are saying.   

 

Not a niche market game for gays, but a game that gives the impression it is more aimed towards fans of male romance content (whatever gender or orientation they are). I'd buy it happily, obviously, but I would feel like it was more aimed at me than somebody who wasn't. Or rather said games romance content is more aimed at me. 

 

And the second one depends entirely on just how much the romance is part of the game. If it's a genderswapped peach in Mario then yeah that's just the hero going off to rescue a prince instead of a princess, so i wouldn't consider that aimed at an audience who want same gender romance stuff. If the game heavily revolved around said romance and the characters sexuality, despite all events being predetermined, then that is more aimed at people who want the romance content. 

 

The latter comes into it a lot actually, just how much a part of the game the romances are. I suppose that Bioware romances aren't really a large part of the game at all, however much people make them out to be, so even if the majority were same gender... but then I don't think they should be, equal is still better, and if one side did have to have more I'd rather it was the more numerous so more people could enjoy the content...

 

I don't know. I do think games actually aimed at people who want this content is a good idea for fans of romance content in general. 

[sandalisthemaker]

Not to derail, but.... How would you guys feel about Vivienne or Blackwall having a non-PC love interest? Maybe a quest like Aveline's, maybe an existing partner that they talk about. I think it would be really interesting (and a great way to get more representation in the main cast).

 

If companions flirt or hook up with eachother or an NPC, I'd like to see it be a same sex pairing.

 

Morrigan flirts with Sten

 

Alistair and Leliana hook up in Darkspawn Chronicles

 

Aveline and Donnic

 

Bethany develops a crush on Sebastian

 

Carver develops a crush on Merrill

 

Fenris and Isabela hook up

 

 

We've had far too many hetero hookups.  A change would be nice.

 

In fact, I'm hoping that Dorian and Bull will get flirty if neither is romanced.

[LiaraShepard]

If companions flirt or hook up with eachother or an NPC, I'd like to see it be a same sex pairing.

 

Morrigan flirts with Sten

 

Alistair and Leliana hook up in Darkspawn Chronicles

 

Aveline and Donnic

 

Bethany develops a crush on Sebastian

 

Carver develops a crush on Merrill

 

Fenris and Isabela hook up

 

 

We've had far too many hetero hookups.  A change would be nice.

 

Maybe Dorian and Iron Bull. That's something I'd like to see. ^^

[RobRam10]

Oh this is simply exhilirating. Looking foward to the last Li reveal.

[sandalisthemaker]

Maybe Dorian and Iron Bull. That's something I'd like to see. ^^

 

Yep, just added that to my above post.  That would be cute.

[AEve1]

Vivienne / Celene?

THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE UTTERLY AMAZING.

 

And yeah, I'd really like to see a same-sex side romance from one or more of the companions!