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[90s Luke]

For future games....

 

The writers at BioWare should strive to include at least one love interest for each of the four major consumer groups - heterosexual men and women, homosexual men and women. Whether or not those love interests are exclusive to a group (or two or three) is irrelevant. In other words, none of the love interests should be required to be heterosexual or homosexual themselves, just available for a heterosexual (male-female) or homosexual (female-female or male-male) romance.

 

I believe that playersexuality is an affront to actual characterization (as well as to actual bisexuality and pansexuality I presume), so a defined sexuality is preferred (whether it be heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality, etc).

 

Bisexual and pansexual players will more than likely be open to romancing any one of the available options, so they are necessarily "represented" (insofar as they have options, though this doesn't necessarily mean that bisexuality or pansexuality itself is actually represented in a love interest).

 

I personally don't understand the complexities of transexuality, so I won't even attempt to make a case for or against a transexual love interest.

 

This leaves asexual people. The writers could easily make an asexual romance. This is the group of players that has thus far never been represented in the romances.

 

I actually wouldn't mind a romance in which the woman is just not interested in sex, but she can still feel love and compassion.

 

Perhaps Cassandra's romance will be like that, although I would prefer some love-making 

[DeityDi]

It does show that LGBT content is not just for LGBT people.  So there's that.

Don't tell me we didn't know that all the way.

 

I can even say that straight options are not only for one particular sex exclusively. I never had a problem romancing Morrigan, and I'm a straight girl, I didn't use mods for doing that.

And I also won't have a problem with Dorian, for that matter. I like characters because of who they are, and I'm more concerned about their personality, attitude, beliefs, faith and views overall rather than their sex, gender or whatever. I either like them as a whole or I don't and that's it.

So in reality "it's more complicated than that", lol. 

[TheJediSaint]

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For future games....

 

The writers at BioWare should strive to include at least one love interest for each of the four major consumer groups - heterosexual men and women, homosexual men and women. Whether or not those love interests are exclusive to a group (or two or three) is irrelevant. In other words, none of the love interests should be required to be heterosexual or homosexual themselves, just available for a heterosexual (male-female) or homosexual (female-female or male-male) romance.

 

I believe that playersexuality is an affront to actual characterization (as well as to actual bisexuality and pansexuality I presume), so a defined sexuality is preferred (whether it be heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality, etc).

 

Bisexual and pansexual players will more than likely be able open to romancing any one of the available options, so they are necessarily "represented" (insofar as they have options, though this doesn't necessarily mean that bisexuality or pansexuality itself is actually represented in a love interest).

 

I personally don't understand the complexities of transexuality, so I won't even attempt to make a case for or against a transexual love interest.

 

This leaves asexual people. The writers could easily make an asexual romance. This is the group of players that have thus far never been represented.

 

I actually wouldn't mind a romance in which the woman is just not interested in sex, but she can still feel love and compassion.

 

Perhaps Cassandra's romance will be like that, although I would prefer some love-making 

I largely agree, though an asexual romance is not the same as a chaste one.

[Who Knows]

It's hard to call more straight options than gay fair (as long as everyone has at least 2 and the disparity isn't too large) because it's always more straight options. There has literally never been a Bioware game with romances where there have not been more straight options. If there was more diversity between who happened to get more options in Bioware games, then having one or a couple more straight options than gay ones in Inquisition would be okay. But there's not.

[Ryzaki]

I just meant DA. Though I thought Jake Cortez was Hispanic? I've not played the game though.

edit: nm. That's Steve. I told you I've not played the game. Lol

 

XD okay.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I believe that playersexuality is an affront to actual characterization (as well as to actual bisexuality and pansexuality I presume), so a defined sexuality is preferred (whether it be heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality, etc).

So what I am is an affront to characterization and sexualities? 

[The Elder King]

So what I am is an affront to characterization and sexualities? 

I guess 90sLuke doesn't know that there are people who aren't heterosexual/homosexual/bisexual/pansexual.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

It's hard to call more straight options than gay fair (as long as everyone has at least 2 and the disparity isn't too large) because it's always more straight options. There has literally never been a Bioware game with romances where there have not been more straight options. If there was more diversity between who happened to get more options in Bioware games, then having one or a couple more straight options than gay ones in Inquisition would be okay. But there's not.

This, exactly. The problem isn't necessarily that they should hold themselves to equality every single time (although, I admit, I really wish it would be a goal they set and that they meet at least as often as not). The problem is that they keep giving more options to the same groups. If it's a problem that occurs in every game, then I really do think they need to make a concentrated effort to figuring out why that is and how they can fix it.

 

And if it really is that they don't think they can sell games with more LGB LIs? Just say it. It makes me feel a hell of a lot better than being told they just want to write more straight romances in every game. I don't love that it's true, but I can sympathize a lot more with the idea that they're doing everything they think they can do for us without getting their franchise dropped than I can sympathize with the idea that "just writing the characters they want" results in less options for gay players literally every time.     

[90s Luke]

I largely agree, though an asexual romance is not the same as a chaste one.

 

Ah yes. I didn't mean for that comparison. I was legitimately suggesting that Cassandra could be asexual and I would still romance her. I was using her as an example because she is the one character that I am most interested in romancing.

[90s Luke]

So what I am is an affront to characterization and sexualities? 

 

I guess 90sLuke doesn't know that there are people who aren't heterosexual/homosexual/bisexual/pansexual.

 

Playersexuality isn't an actual sexuality....

 

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[AshesEleven]

So what I am is an affront to characterization and sexualities?

Are you player sexual?

[Basement Cat]

So what I am is an affront to characterization and sexualities? 

 

I guess 90sLuke doesn't know that there are people who aren't heterosexual/homosexual/bisexual/pansexual.

I think he meant 'playersexuality' as in 'companions are attracted to the protagonist because he/she is the protagonist'. 

[The Elder King]

Playersexuality isn't an actual sexuality....

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Playersexuality is the closest thing in a Bioware game to rapresent Kallen, or demisexuals.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Playersexuality isn't an actual sexuality....

 

Spoiler

Are you player sexual?

 

There are people whose sexuality is ambiguous. And that is what the DA2 system was. Playersexuality was a term that was coined later. 

[90s Luke]

I think he meant 'playersexuality' as in 'companions are attracted to the protagonist because he/she is the protagonist'. 

 

Exactly.

[HiroVoid]

Playersexuality isn't an actual sexuality....

Not in your world.

 

In mine, everyone wants me.

[ElitePinecone]

But on what basis are we saying that the number of straight and gay options must be equal, rather than fair?

The audience sizes clearly aren't the same, nor are the number of people who will actually use that content. I'm sorry if that sounds mercantile or too pragmatic, but surely those are the arguments the company would be using internally. Making a claim for equality on the grounds of historical inequality sounds like a good idea, except that it's impossible to make up the difference unless the ratio is wildly reversed for the next three or four games.

And how, realistically, are they supposed to make and market a AAA game with more gay/lesbian love interests than straight ones? Does anyone feel like pitching in $50 million or so to find out? What would the reaction be outside the tiny bubble that is the BSN? We saw how they treated the Dorian announcement, and that was one character.

I'm a gay player who's been arguing for s/s content in Bioware's games for years. But I think there are realities of the industry and of the audience that Bioware needs to work within. I don't see the logic of arguing for equality because fundamentally the market for s!s content is smaller than opposite-sex. They're equal in worth and standing, but that doesn't imply an equal amount of content.

[AshesEleven]

There are people whose sexuality is ambiguous. And that is what the DA2 system was. Playersexuality was a term that was coined later.

I thought that's what pan sexuality meant. I'm sorry but I really don't know the differences.

[NextArishok]

Not in your world.

 

In mine, everyone wants me.

he speaks the truth.  you wouldn't believe the story behind that scar!  they are mad for him!

[HiroVoid]

I'm honestly of the opinion that maybe short of people not getting any romances, the romances wouldn't affect Bioware sales too drastically.

[Pierce Miller]

Are we dismissing out of hand the possibility of a bit of role play here?

I'll be playing (at different times) as both genders and alignments.

 

Going with real life (Inquisitor = myself) is rather limiting.

 

Players are not a mage, assassin or berserker in real life, but folk are quite happy to adopt those roles aren't they?

Honestly I like to play as my ideal self in all games, I play that which I most want to be. Therefore I always play a human male mage because I like power.

[Basement Cat]

I thought that's what pan sexuality meant. I'm sorry but I really don't know the differences.

I'm far from an expert, but here's what I understand:

 

Bisexuality: sexual attraction to cisgender males and females

Pansexuality: sexual attraction to cisgender and transgender males and females

Demisexuality : no sexual attraction until a strong emotional bond is formed.

 

Again, I'm not an expert. Sorry if I got any of this wrong.

[HiroVoid]

I'm far from an expert, but here's what I understand:

 

Bisexuality: sexual attraction to cisgender males and females

Pansexuality: sexual attraction to cisgender and transgender males and females

Demisexuality : no sexual attraction until a strong emotional bond is formed.

 

Again, I'm not an expert. Sorry if I got any of this wrong.

Pansexuality should fit other genders, etc. as well as far as I know since bisexuality/heterosexuality/homosexuality should fit with trangenders as well......again, as far as I know.

[Samahl]

Again, I'm not an expert. Sorry if I got any of this wrong.

 

You got it wrong.

 

Bisexuality has two commonly accepted definitions: 1) attraction to different and same genders, and 2) attraction to two or more genders. Pansexuality is defined as an attraction to all genders. Being cis or trans has nothing to do with it if you're binary - straight men can be attracted to trans women, and straight women can be attracted to trans men. Non-binary genders are a different story.