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ehm no? because he's only into female elves, not into males elves, so he's clearly heterosexual. A male lion who's into female lions isn't lionsexual, he's also heterosexual.... Same with us. No one would get the idea to call himself human sexual ô_o
Wait. So, if a man has sex with a lion... then....
a male lion who is into female lions is a lion last I checked
they don't really have concepts of sexual orientation or gender identity
You don't need to understand any concept to just follow your drives and feelings. Humans just give the names for it.
I don't see BlackWall being bi or straight as that just blows the number of options that straight females have out of proportion.
It actually makes sense from a business perspective to give women more options, since women are THE growth market for AAA gaming.
a male lion who is into female lions is a lion last I checked
they don't really have concepts of sexual orientation or gender identity
doesn't change our concept we have from them. we call them heterosexual. That's it. We would also call a male elf who's into female elves heterosexual if they would exist. It's our understanding from sexuality.
Wait. So, if a man has sex with a lion... then....
then he's zoophil (if he enjoys it).
It doesn't blow things completely out of proportion, elven females only go with Solas so it's very tightly knit for them. Both Cullen and Solas being gated with Blackwall being open to everyone is fine by me, not straight Blackwall though that's just icky.
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Fine, but it's hardly comparable with having less options because of your gender and sexuality.
Okay the thread is going places rn. 
Why does solas count as a straight female romance if you gotta be an elf to romance him? Wouldn't that make him Elvensexual instead of just straight? If the race gate is so restricted to just one race, doesn't it make more sense to classify him as his own thing?
Not that it matters, whatever vivienne or blackwall turn out to be, this is one front where things will turn out unequal anyway.
Personally, I don't care whether its one or the other, straight or gay. As long as folks don't get it in their heads that having inequality that favors their side, be it straight or lgbt, then hopefully something can be learned from all this and a future installment can do better.
Just because Solas is only available to straight female elves doesn't erase the "straight" and "female" parts of his restrictions. He's still an options for straight females, they just additionally have to play an elf. If he was only available to gay male elves, I would absolutely count him as an options for gay men. You can't just erase an option because you don't like all the requirements. Solas isn't an option for men, because he's gated against men. He is an option for women, because he isn't gated against women. It's that simple.
What's being said is that over the course of Bioware games, straight men have invariable been favored over gays, both male and female. The suggestion is that, just to break up the pattern, gays getting one extra option would be nice, for once. Just ONCE.
You're preaching and preaching, sounding like a broken record about this, but if it so happened that the remaining LI gave straight men an extra, then the numbers would be skewed in your favor. That's still inequality, and even MORE so, because in the past straight men have invariably been favored.
I don't know how this can be made more understandable.
Obviously, striving for complete equality is the ideal, but since that literally can't happen at this point... It would be nice, just once, for us to come out on top.
So... after consulting one of the charts people have made on this topic (specifically the one made by 90s Luke) , it seems that a bisexual Vivienne would put the ratio at 3, 3, 3, and 2, with gay males getting only 2. Is that more acceptable, considering that the most overall options would incorporate a bi Viv or Blackwall in some way?
edit: The bi Blackwall option would create a 4, 3, 2, and 2 ratio, for straight females, gay men, lesbians, and straight men respectively...
Guest_Cat Blade_*
then he's zoophil (if he enjoys it).
He was a zoophile. These are lions we're talking about. 
There are no human beings who hail from Orzammar or Kal-Sharok (or who were exiled to the surface and have long since lost their stone sense or were born completely without it).But there are human beings who are dwarves. As well as non-dwarf human beings who just like to play as a dwarf.
then he's zoophil (if he enjoys it).
And I imagine dinner, if not.
He was a zoophile. These are lions we're talking about.
How cute : )
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There are no human beings who hail from Orzammar or Kal-Sharok (or who were exiled to the surface and have long since lost their stone sense or were born completely without it).
I fully support height and weight and other body characteristic sliders so that people can more accurately express their real-life characteristics within the game. However, this is entirely independent of somebody choosing to play one of Thedas' dwarves (or humans or elves or qunari).
I certainly don't think somebody should have less options for preferring to play dwarf protagonists, but I don't necessarily believe its entirely in the same category as gender and sexuality.
I think some fans of dwarven race options would disagree!
a male lion who is into female lions is a lion last I checked
they don't really have concepts of sexual orientation or gender identity
*snip*
Guess no matter what, it's inequality.
Though I bet if it's straight Viv, you won't complain at all, yeah? I figured.
I'm done with this argument. I'll just lurk the thread now.
I'll point out here that male lions tend to have sex with other male lions.
Yes, but that's just to establish dominance.
I'll point out here that male lions tend to have sex with other male lions.
not because they are attracted to them though
Guest_Cat Blade_*
I'll point out here that male lions tend to have sex with other male lions.
Ducks as well. And you'd think they would be gentler in that avenue than lions, but apparently not - do not google duck mating habits - it will give you nightmares.
So... after consulting one of the charts people have made on this topic (specifically the one made by 90s Luke) , it seems that a bisexual Vivienne would put the ratio at 3, 3, 3, and 2, with gay males getting only 2. Is that more acceptable, considering that the most overall options would incorporate a bi Viv or Blackwall in some way?
edit: The bi Blackwall option would create a 4, 3, 2, and 2 ratio, for straight females, gay men, lesbians, and straight men respectively...
So... after consulting one of the charts people have made on this topic (specifically the one made by 90s Luke) , it seems that a bisexual Vivienne would put the ratio at 3, 3, 3, and 2, with gay males getting only 2. Is that more acceptable, considering that the most overall options would incorporate a bi Viv or Blackwall in some way?
edit: The bi Blackwall option would create a 4, 3, 2, and 2 ratio, for straight females, gay men, lesbians, and straight men respectively...
I think both options really suck. It's hard to say which is more acceptable. Historically, straight women have gotten less options than straight men and gay men have gotten somewhat less than lesbians. So, on that note, you could say it's alright if those demographics get more. As far as DA:I goes, Vivienne as bi would make the numbers more even for more groups. Both outcomes suck in different ways and have a justification that comes short of actual equality.
So, I guess, at least to me, it doesn't really matter at this point. I can see reasons for it to be either way, but both ways ultimately suck.
Ducks as well. And you'd think they would be gentler in that avenue than lions, but apparently not - do not google duck mating habits - it will give you nightmares.
don't forget the penguins.
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