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I recently saw
this picture, and i can't believe my eyes. Did they really ruined this game to the consol level AGAIN? I think this will be a blow-up again. How outrageous is this? Well i think this is why they hid the PC ui until now.
I am very unhappy and disappointed. Preorder cancelled. Now i have to wait for a mod, or leave this brand forever. Thank you Boiware.
I will pick up Pillars of Eternity instead, that is an RPG. This is a console game.
This is a design decision, not a "SHITTY CONSOLE PORT". It can still be considered a BAD decision however (though I am indifferent until I play with it), but it has nothing to do with consoles. They always had access to all abilities in DA:O & DA2. It seems they want us to use scouts & such to plan out our fights beforehand. Honestly even at high levels on DA:O & DA2 I did just fine with only a few spells and talents. With the loss of sustained we probably will have more focus on what abilities we prefer and passives now. Let's not yell until we see how it plays out.
Edit: To clarify on "high levels", I meant "High level character". Though I do all playthroughs on nightmare, you don't that many to get through it.
Oh! I'm sorry I didn't realize there were no RPGs on consoles, I am deeply saddened that my decision to play games on consoles has so devastated your beloved genre exlusive to PCs. Please will you except my heartfelt apology?
I can only see it being a problem for mages, as a s/s warrior in DAO i only used 4, 3 in DA2
Well, I preferred the mage class in DAO and in DA2 too. I can't imagine how the game plays out with that 8 skill bar. That means the game is balanced to 1 or 2 skill spam instead of normal rpg gameplay, where, for an example, a fire creature immune to fire attacks, and i need to use some electricity on it instead. If i look the problem from this angle, the 8 skill bar is not enough at all.
So if i get a proper action bar mod in two weeks after release, the game balance still reamins for 1-2 skill spamming. It is okay on consoles. But the PC is not a console, really, and a PC gamer is not a console gamer. IMO
Oh! I'm sorry I didn't realize there were no RPGs on consoles, I am deeply saddened that my decision to play games on consoles has so devastated your beloved genre exlusive to PCs. Please will you except my heartfelt apology?
I dont care how you want to play your game on your platform for your money. Have fun with it, really. I just know how I want to play my game on my platform, for my money. And it happens I don't want an Xbox game on my PC. They had enough time. They did everything for the fans. Is this it?
I can't imagine how tha game plays out with that 8 skill bar. That means the game is balanced to 1 or 2 skill spam instead of normal rpg gameplay, where, for an example, a fire creature immune to fire attacks, and i need to use some electricity on it instead. If i look the problem from this angle, the 8 skill bar is not enough at all.
The fact that there are 8 ability slots means you're wrong about "1 or 2 skill spam". Perhaps this design decision really does put limitations on people's playstyles, but I personally think you can work with 8 skills. Surely you can fit in some of your different forms of elemental attacks in there? Unless those slots include passives, but that would be the stupidest thing I ever heard.
I will prob buy the game anyway simply for the story alone.
In time we will see if this will be a great RPG or another overly easy and dumbed down console combat system. It will however be the last time I buy a Bioware game IF it turns out they have abandoned the complexity in gameplay mechanics that made old RPGs so great.
Now i have to wait for a mod, or leave this brand forever.
I can see how KOTOR and Mass Effect clearly had an impact on this.
</sarcasm>
Bit dramatic though, no?
I will prob buy the game anyway simply for the story alone.
In time we will see if this will be a great RPG or another overly easy and dumbed down console combat system. It will however be the last time I buy a Bioware game IF it turns out they have abandoned the complexity in gameplay mechanics that made old RPGs so great.
Don't hold you breath.
Anyway, I am excited to see where this thread will lead to.
The thread will lead to what past ones have. Arguing, insult throwing and generally everyone being childish. That's basically all that will happen. Bioware isn't about to change the ui so close to release and to be frank, more people seem to be fine with it than against it so they'd have no reason to anyway.
The thread will lead to what past ones have. Arguing, insult throwing and generally everyone being childish. That's basically all that will happen. Bioware isn't about to change the ui so close to release and to be frank, more people seem to be fine with it than against it so they'd have no reason to anyway.
My kind of thread. Oh, I am getting so excited right now.
In DA:O you could expand the UI bar, maybe the same is true of Inquisition...
My kind of thread. Oh, I am getting so excited right now.
Okay i start it then.
I think Bioware knows how the silly skill limitation will affect the PC gamers. Not just now, but a way back, like a year ago they did know it. I bet they have a premade explanation on that, icluding some "tactics" and "thinking" in it. But i think it is just in the defense of the console sales. We all know the PC game can't be better, or cant look better in any ways, because the console players go nuts and will not buy the game. The minimum expectation of the console gamers is the console and PC versions are equal in all terms, OR the console version is better. You can simply sell more copies this way to them. If the PC version would have 16 skill bars with 77 skill slots, and the console just 4 or 8, they would simply not buy the game.
So basically never mind what they say about the fans or the game, the final product is a Dragon Age 2 again. Well, i am not too happy with it.
Considering, in DAO and DA2, every platform was able to use all their abilities, changing that in DAI doesn't help consoles players any more than it helps PC players. Thinking it does, or that the design "favors" console players, is either willful ignorance(ie complete stupidity) or paranoia.
Mental illness or mental deficiency. I'm genuinely curious as to which it is.
Edit: I know the above is a tad uncalled for, but so is this thread. So...
In DA:O you could expand the UI bar, maybe the same is true of Inquisition...
You can't, 8 slots is all we get.
And there's some limits on tactics as well.
Fun, fun, fun 
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As someone mentioned above; 32 skills over 4 companions, this is a party based game and I'd imagine you'd spec them accordingly. You can also still swap out skills between combat.
It encourages thought to a build instead of OMGALLTHEABILITIES. Mages are the worst for this. However, I've never used more than 10-12 active abilities in either game. I don't think sustained abilities are in the game, or are reduced.
Not an issue for me. I am also a PC gamer.
You can't, 8 slots is all we get.
And there's some limits on tactics as well.
Fun, fun, fun
I assume Tactics are pretty much the same with the only exception of abilities in the quickbar to be the only ones that can be tied to the commands. Hopefully, Tactics can be set in a way where we just say "Condition 1: use ability Key 1" instead directly picking the specific ability for a particular Tactics command(like in DA:O/DA 2). Otherwise, we'd be switching the abilities in Tactics every time we do so on the quickbars. That'd be ridiculously tedious.
I'll wait for a quickbar mod though. I have no interest to be held by the hand by this stupid design every step of the way. Bioware can shove its "intended gameplay".
I honestly don't know why people are making such a big deal out of this. Quite frankily it's no surprise that the PC club feel they are entitled to things purely because they own a certain machine.
Having played the original dragon age and half of the time forgetting that half of my skills were actually there its now good they they are making us think more about our decisions. I think it was a man named Sid Meir who once said "More doesn't actually mean better".
Making players think more about their decisions is never a bad thing. I raged hard when they took away unit stacking and tech trading from the Civ series. But when you look at unit stacking it doesnt actually add anything to the game to be able to have a stack of 15 units.
8 skills is more than enough and for people who complain that they dont want just another action RPG you should be celebrating this design feature.
Sometimes by taking something away you add something else.
This just in: you don't always get what you want.
But my PC costs a lot of money, so I should be entitled to use every key, and BioWare should reward me for buying a gaming computer. Of course not only do I not know: what skills I will use, how I will be spec'd, how my party will be, or the number of useful skills in general, I don't even know if this is the final UI, but I'm going to complain anyway. Someone needs to keep BioWare in their place with their game.
Cancelling pre-order for that? Lmao.
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