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[Jaulen]

*snip*

 

Now that legacy is in complete ruins. What a terrible first impression for newcomers particularly PS4 players... who in their right mind wants to play Destiny for next TEN years[?] - kill me now. More like 2 months before the servers are completely dead and given that it will soon be an unpleasant memory in the minds of gamers the next title will surely bomb hard during any holiday season when the competition is finally out of the gate because it's already below par. If there is any justice I hope Destiny 2 gives sales analysts a bloody nose. They could still turn things around but given what they have at this point they might as well be starting from scratch. Destiny is half-finished at best and at worst they are holding back all of the best content for paid DLC which is a dumb strategy at this point in the franchise which will backfire spectacularly.

 

 

 

I'm bored of it, didn't play it all weekend, not interested in sitting for hours and griding for gear and all those different types of currencies/reputation points.

Ten years of more of the same??? Ergh.

 

And no, I won't be dropping a red penny for anymore Destiny content. What I got for the money I initially dropped didn't feel like a full game.

 

At least Bioware DLC adds on to the main story, isn't necessary, but adds tidbits.

[Ajensis]

I really feel like I owe Bioware an apology for ragging on the ending after playing through the Destiny campaign. Shows us that we were given a spectacular, well thought out, deeply involving journey to a wonderful world that would have otherwise not existed and we took it for granted. Then attacked the company over the last 10 minutes of the trilogy, even if it was justified ATT. After my experience with destiny I think I will appreciate my mass effect play throughs a whole lot more than I did we're the lucky ones really, a great game, fantastic lore, wonderful characters and a believable experience with none of the PVP fanboy elements to offset them.

 

I miss that fresh Mass Effect feeling  and now I cant wait to get ME4. It might actually be the first game I pre-order thank Bungie for that one Bioware they opened my eyes.

 

First off, I haven't played Destiny, so bear in mind that I don't have access to the same perspective as you.

 

I will at any time say that ME3 is a great game, one of my favourites. That doesn't mean there's not room for improvement, however, and although there was unfortunately some hostility, I think (hope?) most Bioware employees are aware that the criticism didn't boil down to simply hating the game. And I don't think anyone "took it for granted". There are just some moments in the writing that could be significantly better and some players pointed it out, some more loudly than others.

 

In the end, we all just want an even better Mass Effect game, whether by changing the latest game or holding Bioware up to higher standards for future titles

 

It's good that you think you'll appreciate your next ME playthrough more, though. Always nice when new experiences put older ones into a new, more positive light

[Tonymac]

First off, I haven't played Destiny, so bear in mind that I don't have access to the same perspective as you.

 

I will at any time say that ME3 is a great game, one of my favourites. That doesn't mean there's not room for improvement, however, and although there was unfortunately some hostility, I think (hope?) most Bioware employees are aware that the criticism didn't boil down to simply hating the game. And I don't think anyone "took it for granted". There are just some moments in the writing that could be significantly better and some players pointed it out, some more loudly than others.

 

In the end, we all just want an even better Mass Effect game, whether by changing the latest game or holding Bioware up to higher standards for future titles

 

It's good that you think you'll appreciate your next ME playthrough more, though. Always nice when new experiences put older ones into a new, more positive light

 

I'm one of the ending haters - and one of the hold the wallet types at that.  I feel that special consideration should be given to the end of a series - it should not be a thing of farce and folly and tripe.  BioWare's detestable lack of imagination was plainly insulting, as was their response to feedback.

 

However, we are past it - and you are right.  We want to get some ideas across to BioWare, and see improvements.  I want to see them recapture the "glory of the ancients" because the universe they created is worth it.  

[Farangbaa]

I'm one of the ending haters - and one of the hold the wallet types at that.  I feel that special consideration should be given to the end of a series - it should not be a thing of farce and folly and tripe.  BioWare's detestable lack of imagination was plainly insulting, as was their response to feedback.

 

However, we are past it - and you are right.  We want to get some ideas across to BioWare, and see improvements.  I want to see them recapture the "glory of the ancients" because the universe they created is worth it.  

 

You mean that special consideration should be given to an ending you will like. Don't kill the PC, save everybody and that kindof Hollywood nonsense.

 

I hope they don't do that. The ending to Mass Effect 3 made me feel delightfully uncomfortable, that feeling should've been all over the trilogy imo. Tough, horrible decisions with no 'everybody wins' option.

[Jaulen]

Count me as a ME ending hater.

 

But man, after Destiny, I feel much better about the ME3 ending. Not like warm fuzzies, but more of a "Okay, this was bad, but at least it was better than this thing over here. At least I got an ending of SOMESORT."

(although Destiny's open ending veiled "You're going to be downloading and buying more DLC to get the REST of the story" wasn't as weird/blatant as the Buzz Aldrin ME scene.)

 

Doing a DAO and 2 playthrogh, then it will be off to ME again.

In fact, replaying Orzammar again for the 27th time is more enjoyable then the thought of grinding Destiny.

[Nitrocuban]

I recently played Crysis 3 just cause I got it for free and still had it on my hard disk and after this I realised how great Bioware is at storytelling and emotionally connecting the player with the world and it's characters.

Crysis 3 might be an unfair game to compare ME with, but the difference in qualitiy of storytelling is really impressive.

[Jaulen]

I recently played Crysis 3 just cause I got it for free and still had it on my hard disk and after this I realised how great Bioware is at storytelling and emotionally connecting the player with the world and it's characters.

Crysis 3 might be an unfair game to compare ME with, but the difference in qualitiy of storytelling is really impressive.

 

 

To me, without the story/connection to a game....

 

Mine as well be playing an 80's arcade game.

[NM_Che56]

That's my problem with Destiny: NO characters.  Ok, there are "characters" but they have no character.  No story. No characters. I'm just shooting things because video game.

 

Bioware has spoiled me...

[TruthSerum]

I really feel like I owe Bioware an apology for ragging on the ending after playing through the Destiny campaign. Shows us that we were given a spectacular, well thought out, deeply involving journey to a wonderful world that would have otherwise not existed and we took it for granted. Then attacked the company over the last 10 minutes of the trilogy, even if it was justified ATT. After my experience with destiny I think I will appreciate my mass effect play throughs a whole lot more than I did we're the lucky ones really, a great game, fantastic lore, wonderful characters and a believable experience with none of the PVP fanboy elements to offset them.

I miss that fresh Mass Effect feeling and now I cant wait to get ME4. It might actually be the first game I pre-order thank Bungie for that one Bioware they opened my eyes.

I will take things one step further by suggesting that maybe Bungie/Activision took the story out ON PURPOSE after seeing the massive overreaction to the ending of an actual honest to goodness story ny fans of the Mass Effect series.

Maybe they decided it is better to not have loved at all then to have loved and lost. That way you don't get your tires slashed and your windows broken (figuratively speaking).

[iggy4566]

Looks at title yeah two very very different games and comparing them  yep you never change BSN. 

[TruthSerum]

Looks at title yeah two very very different games and comparing them yep you never change BSN.

Well indefense of OP's topic the release of Destiny HAS effected the multiplayer portion of Mass Effect 3 to some extent, even if Destiny is wildly inferior to ME 3 mp.

[iggy4566]

Destiny's end was meh but still better then ME3 WAY better  destiny ending didn't ruin the rest of the game or break the lore of game still wasn't a good ending but to honest  still better then the horse **** that was ME3's end.

[Drone223]

Destiny's end was meh but still better then ME3 WAY better  destiny ending didn't ruin the rest of the game or break the lore of game still wasn't a good ending but to honest  still better then the horse **** that was ME3's end.

Most of the lore in Mass Effect is explained in game, in Destiny you have to look up the lore outside the game, which is rIdiculous. Mass effect puts an effort to explain its lore in game, so in terms of story Mass effect is much better.

[iggy4566]

Most of the lore in Mass Effect is explained in game, in Destiny you have to look up the lore outside the game, which is rIdiculous. Mass effect puts an effort to explain its lore in game, so in terms of story Mass effect is much better.

No I'm talking about endings and to be honest I don't really mind looking up the lore kinda reminds me of Dark souls but that's me but Mass effect 1-2 are better in story then Destiny but at the same time I remember Destiny is a MMO like game and ME  is well was a RPG and are two different games they may be Sc-fi  but two different games. 

[Farangbaa]

No I'm talking about endings and to be honest I don't really mind looking up the lore kinda reminds me of Dark souls but that's me but Mass effect 1-2 are better in story then Destiny but at the same time I remember Destiny is a MMO like game and ME  is well was a RPG and are two different games they may be Sc-fi  but two different games. 

 

Would it kill you to use some punctuation here and there?

 

This is awful to read.

[Jaulen]

If they can't be bothered to explain lore in game (at least the basic necessity stuff, like WTH am I bothering to kill these things...what are they, where did they come from, why are they such a threat) why should I be bothered to care about the game? Destiny isn't an MMO, it isn't an RPG......it's just a shooter with some really thin MMO and PRG aspects tacked on.

 

Finally loaded up Destiny last night (4 day hiatus! Longest down time for me on any new release game I've played.....) just to go to infamous loot cave and shoot things to see what I'd get.

 

And now I see a third bounty type to go after. The Queen's Approval or whatever.

Okay, so now we get to grind for:

Motes of light

Strange Coins

Glimmer

Vanguard Marks

Crucible Marks

Rep from the guy who decodes the engrams

Queen's Approval rep points

And then is it two or three factions in the Tower rep?

And all the crafting resources......

 

I know I proabably missed a couple.......

[Tonymac]

If they can't be bothered to explain lore in game (at least the basic necessity stuff, like WTH am I bothering to kill these things...what are they, where did they come from, why are they such a threat) why should I be bothered to care about the game? Destiny isn't an MMO, it isn't an RPG......it's just a shooter with some really thin MMO and PRG aspects tacked on.

 

Finally loaded up Destiny last night (4 day hiatus! Longest down time for me on any new release game I've played.....) just to go to infamous loot cave and shoot things to see what I'd get.

 

And now I see a third bounty type to go after. The Queen's Approval or whatever.

Okay, so now we get to grind for:

Motes of light

Strange Coins

Glimmer

Vanguard Marks

Crucible Marks

Rep from the guy who decodes the engrams

Queen's Approval rep points

And then is it two or three factions in the Tower rep?

And all the crafting resources......

 

I know I proabably missed a couple.......

 

Sounds not fun.

[Nitrocuban]

So how much playtime might be needed to max out errything in Derpstiny atm? Any ideas?

[Vazgen]

At least you can get Normandy in Destiny

[NM_Che56]

My take.

 

Destiny:

• Lore (codex/grimoire), sure, but little context in-game. Garbage story.  Complete throw-away. You literally have to go OUTSIDE of the game to learn what's going on, why, etc. 
• Big maps, pretty vistas...but so empty.  It's like a model home: Great for show, but crap to live in. 
• No characters.  Just placeholders where characters should go.
• Nothing emotionally engaging.  Nothing that pulls your heartstrings, gets you angry, etc.  It's void of emotional content.  It has no soul.

Mass Effect:

• The opposite of everything stated above, but with pretty vistas.

 

 

Destiny tries to be too many things to too many people.  Leading up the the release, Bungie hardly showed off the game and were pretty evasive with their answers regarding what's it all about, etc.  Nothing by hype and hot air.  Mass Effect and Destiny may be two different games, but that's because there is a glaring lack of focus in Destiny.  Bungie couldn't explain Destiny because...well...THEY DIDN'T KNOW! LOL. 

 

As for Mass Effect 3 and the ending: There's no point in responding.  The people who hate it are too strident and ardent in their disdain for it for any discourse.

[NM_Che56]

At least you can get Normandy in Destiny

Your ship in Destiny is just the elevators in Mass Effect. I just serves to hide the load screens.  Welcome to "next-gen". LULZ

[rapscallioness]

My take.

 

Destiny:

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• Big maps, pretty vistas...but so empty.  It's like a model home: Great for show, but crap to live in. 
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• Nothing emotionally engaging.  Nothing that pulls your heartstrings, gets you angry, etc.  It's void of emotional content.  It has no soul.

Mass Effect:

• The opposite of everything stated above, but with pretty vistas.

 

 

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As for Mass Effect 3 and the ending: There's no point in responding.  The people who hate it are too strident and ardent in their disdain for it for any discourse.

To the bolded: Ah, yes. Like a model home. Very accurate. Cuz all the fruit is really just plastic.

 

"No soul"--funny I keep coming across this sentiment abt it. Verbatim. That's interesting to me. Then I ask myself, what does give a game its Soul? Imo, has to be story, characters and worldbuilding.

 

And ME3 ending and not responding: Thank god for small miracles. Tired of that crap all the way around. Too much smugness from Both sides.

[Vazgen]

Your ship in Destiny is just the elevators in Mass Effect. I just serves to hide the load screens.  Welcome to "next-gen". LULZ

I'm watching a playthrough on YouTube and it's fun to watch. But even YouTube videos show how shallow is the world. There is almost nothing in it, only enemies to kill (respawning after some time) and some resources here and there (which you can't even use, only sell, unless I got it wrong). The game has a potential, a lot of it, but it falls short on everything except pretty environments IMO.

I mentioned the ship, because it would've been great if ME:Next allowed us to customize ships and see them like in Destiny, orbiting uncharted planets, landing etc. 

[rapscallioness]

I'm watching a playthrough on YouTube and it's fun to watch. But even YouTube videos show how shallow is the world. There is almost nothing in it, only enemies to kill (respawning after some time) and some resources here and there (which you can't even use, only sell, unless I got it wrong). The game has a potential, a lot of it, but it falls short on everything except pretty environments IMO.

I mentioned the ship, because it would've been great if ME:Next allowed us to customize ships and see them like in Destiny, orbiting uncharted planets, landing etc. 

I really, really love this idea. To be able to customize them. See them when--for example--we dock at the Citadel, or wherever we end up. See them orbiting. yes, please.

[Drone223]

No I'm talking about endings and to be honest I don't really mind looking up the lore kinda reminds me of Dark souls but that's me but Mass effect 1-2 are better in story then Destiny but at the same time I remember Destiny is a MMO like game and ME  is well was a RPG and are two different games they may be Sc-fi  but two different games. 

Its a lot more convenient if the lore is put into a in game codex not to mention ME3 has better story than Destiny because Bioware did put a effort into it.