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[lethal_nm]

In all the games hero can sleep with anyone and then can cheat the love interest with another without any consequences. Like in DA2 you can sleep with mostly two other players before your original love interest brokes up. If you cheat and sleep with someone else there should be consequences. It is just natural isn't it? Is hero allowed to cheat anyone and get away with consequences, just because s/he is a hero??

 

I also remember baldurs gate 2 have cat fights between possible love interests and at the point they make you choose before they actually sleeps with hero. That was quite real but this no consequences thing is not understandable. They also leave the hero's side if hero do too many things which is against their believe or thought process. I dont see that in current games.

[AlexiaRevan]

The cat fight , only Male player had it  we females were stuck with annoymen , so our cat fight was mostly him fighting himself 

as for companions leaving us , that has to do with Alignement . So far , I haven't heard how it gonna be . Will they be like in DA2 or DAO or Mass effect ? 

I did see somewhere that some charachter can leave you for good...but cannot confirm it for sure . 

And what kind of consequence did you have in mind for the cheating option ? 

[PsychoBlonde]

In all the games hero can sleep with anyone and then can cheat the love interest with another without any consequences. Like in DA2 you can sleep with mostly two other players before your original love interest brokes up. If you cheat and sleep with someone else there should be consequences. It is just natural isn't it?

 

People being obsessed with exclusive control over other people's affections and genitals is "natural"?

 

You can't get married, and Thedosians in general are much more casual about sex and affection.  Having a number of lovers may be totally normal there and making a big fuss over the ending of a relationship may be seen as a mental aberration.  Heck, having extra-marital relations is seen as a fairly unexceptional thing in most Thedosian cultures--provided you did your duty by the marriage and produced some offspring with your spouse.

[Puppy Love]

I seem to remember lots of ultimatums, and warnings about leading others on, and upset companions when I did the whole multiple romance juggling thing when I played...  Was I playing a different game?

 

What are we expecting from our companions?  To pull a Lorena Bobbitt or kill our other partner?  To walk off and say forget saving the world because we're having a messy break up?  I'm lost here.

 

Other than companions who never were or would take it seriously in the first place, I've seen every companion that cares get upset and do a me or them thing, or a be careful what you do with others feelings type thing.  I've seen very little of this, going and sleeping around is generally accepted in Thedus.

 

Anora for example was clearly hurt by Cailin's sleeping around, and was very worried about ending up in the same situation.  Ultimately politics mattered more, and she still cared for Cailin, but it hurt her and it's was NOT OK, and she really didn't want the same. 

 

I don't buy this in Thedus marriage is only ever about politics, people are all ok with sleeping around, and love and commitment is an aberration.  All signs point to a varied world with people of all persuasions, beliefs and desires on the issue of love, romance and sexuality.

[AlexiaRevan]

 

I don't buy this in Thedus marriage is only ever about politics, people are all ok with sleeping around, and love and commitment is an aberration. All signs point to a varied world with people of all persuasions, beliefs and desires on the issue of love, romance and sexuality.

I don't think commitment is an aberration . But in certain circles like Nobles and such , you can find them looking for arranged marriage to make their position stronger , gain more wealth . I'm not saying that is how it is , I'm sure there are some noble who are happily married and believe in the strong bond of commitments . Just like you can find some NPC who don't care about such a thing , kinda like Duncan . He lived as a warden and it make you wonder if he ever had any relationship before becoming one . 

[Han Shot First]

I think it should depend on the character.

 

If the character is cut from a similar cloth as say Isabela or Zevran, it shouldn't be an issue. If the character is more like Cullen or Cassandra, it should result in being confronted/dumped. 

[Puppy Love]

I don't think commitment is an aberration . But in certain circles like Nobles and such , you can find them looking for arranged marriage to make their position stronger , gain more wealth . I'm not saying that is how it is , I'm sure there are some noble who are happily married and believe in the strong bond of commitments . Just like you can find some NPC who don't care about such a thing , kinda like Duncan . He lived as a warden and it make you wonder if he ever had any relationship before becoming one . 

 

Not everyone getting married in Thedas are nobles...  Aveline get's married twice, both times out of love.  I don't think using the politically motivated elite as the example of marriage in a setting is the best example.  Is far from the normal situation. 

 

Like I said a world with lots of varied ideas and ideals.  Not everyone will be the jealous type, but there certainly have been examples of npcs (companions or otherwise) being a bit more exclusionary, only putting up with so much before the foot comes down.

 

This all said, the Bonobos or free love chimps are the happiest animals on this planet, while the more territorial and possessive chimps lead lives of war and conflict.  Something to consider

[AlexiaRevan]

I always though Aveline was a Noble . I mean , wasn't she ? Sure she wasn't born from a big wealthy family , but she wasn't from poor either . 

Usualy the noble setting , is there to create intrigue . It is just a setting , it is in no way define every house hold . Just like having a bordello , it doesn't mean everyone in Kirkwall go to it . It just there to create an atmosphere in a certain area . 

[Puppy Love]

I always though Aveline was a Noble . I mean , wasn't she ? Sure she wasn't born from a big wealthy family , but she wasn't from poor either . 

Usualy the noble setting , is there to create intrigue . It is just a setting , it is in no way define every house hold . Just like having a bordello , it doesn't mean everyone in Kirkwall go to it . It just there to create an atmosphere in a certain area . 

 

I didn't see anything indicating Aveline was a noble.  She was a soldier with a templar husband whom she loved very much and mourned when he died.  She then later married another soldier in the guard, also for reasons of love.

 

She was a person of status if she became guard captain, but never a noble as far as I'm aware, but she loved for the person not their position or status.

 

I'm really glad she existed in game, because without her, the only examples of marriage is the political ones, and they are terrible examples at best.  Thanks to Aveline there is an example to say, no marriage is not just cold political alliances in Thedas.

 

Thank you Aveline for making things a little less dark, and a bit more hopeful and giving us fuel to combat the, is only about politics crowd.

[AlexiaRevan]

Her marriage , be it for love , doesn't change one past status . When I wondered if she was noble , the thing that would say if she was isn't who she married . But who were her parents . That mark you as a noble at birth , or if you marry a Noble (I think) . I though she was due to the whole Aveline story behind her name and how it was chosen (Remember during that cutscene with the gift ) . 

[Puppy Love]

Her marriage , be it for love , doesn't change one past status . When I wondered if she was noble , the thing that would say if she was isn't who she married . But who were her parents . That mark you as a noble at birth , or if you marry a Noble (I think) . I though she was due to the whole Aveline story behind her name and how it was chosen (Remember during that cutscene with the gift ) . 

I don't remember in that scene anything about her parents being nobles.  I may be mistaken, but I just don't remember any indication of her having noble status by birth or otherwise, and even if noble, her marriages were in no way related to political maneuvering and still prove the point.

[AlexiaRevan]

 I never said or tried to imply her 2 marriages were for political scheme or anything like that . Plz don't chew me 

[Puppy Love]

 I never said or tried to imply her 2 marriages were for political scheme or anything like that . Plz don't chew me 

 

never said you did...  honestly been trying to figure out how Aveline's birth status mattered in this conversation to be honest...  Not fully sure what we're really discussing here...

[Realmzmaster]

I didn't see anything indicating Aveline was a noble.  She was a soldier with a templar husband whom she loved very much and mourned when he died.  She then later married another soldier in the guard, also for reasons of love.

 

She was a person of status if she became guard captain, but never a noble as far as I'm aware, but she loved for the person not their position or status.

 

I'm really glad she existed in game, because without her, the only examples of marriage is the political ones, and they are terrible examples at best.  Thanks to Aveline there is an example to say, no marriage is not just cold political alliances in Thedas.

 

Thank you Aveline for making things a little less dark, and a bit more hopeful and giving us fuel to combat the, is only about politics crowd.

 

Aveline's father (Benoit du Lac) was a chevalier. Only nobles can serve as a chevalier.The family had to flee Orlais after their patron was killed. Benoit Du Lac tutored Aveline in the way of the Knight. He spent all he had getting Aveline into King Cailan's service.

[AlexiaRevan]

Actually birth status matter . That is a society label , how and where and who you will marry . There are some that wouldn't care about such a thing . And there are some who will adhere to it even if it will make them Unhappy . So yes , it matter in a certain context . In a story for exemple , you can use that as the basic to create your charachter . You can go and make someone born noble but hate the whole system , she will be promised to run the family busness but instead decided to run off in the sunset . Or you could make someone who was not born noble , but will raise to that rank (kinda like Elf city who get the boon to represent her peoples ) ' even that one , society as it is , may just look down even if the King or Queen herself gave you that position . In the end it is a mere title , and it is the action of the title holder and the society strenght that will matter in the end . 

[Puppy Love]

Aveline's father (Benoit du Lac) was a chevalier. Only nobles can serve as a Chevalier.The family had to flee Orlais after their patron was killed. Benoit Du Lac tutored Aveline in the way of the Knight. He spent all he had getting Aveline into King Cailan's service.

 

Ahh, interesting, I seemed to have missed that detail.

 

Still ultimately has no relevance to what Aveline's marriage is an example of, so not really sure how it was relevant to what I was saying in the first place.  It also sounds like at the time Aveline is in game, her noble birth is long past the point of relevance and for all intents and purposes a non issue.

[Puppy Love]

Actually birth status matter . That is a society label , how and where and who you will marry . There are some that wouldn't care about such a thing . And there are some who will adhere to it even if it will make them Unhappy . So yes , it matter in a certain context . In a story for exemple , you can use that as the basic to create your charachter . You can go and make someone born noble but hate the whole system , she will be promised to run the family busness but instead decided to run off in the sunset . Or you could make someone who was not born noble , but will raise to that rank (kinda like Elf city who get the boon to represent her peoples ) ' even that one , society as it is , may just look down even if the King or Queen herself gave you that position . In the end it is a mere title , and it is the action of the title holder and the society strenght that will matter in the end . 

 

Her birth status had zero relevance where she was living, and with whom she married and why she married them.  It was a footnote in her past, not how she defined herself, or how anyone else identified her in the locations the game takes place in.   No one really knew or cared about her families foreign noble status that had fallen to the wayside anyway.  She certainly didn't, and it wasn't a factor in who she loved or married.

 

Which is what my point was about.  That marriage in Thedas is not just about politics and that Aveline was an example of not one, but two marriages purely for the sake of love.

 

Really why are we arguing about this?

[Realmzmaster]

In all the games hero can sleep with anyone and then can cheat the love interest with another without any consequences. Like in DA2 you can sleep with mostly two other players before your original love interest brokes up. If you cheat and sleep with someone else there should be consequences. It is just natural isn't it? Is hero allowed to cheat anyone and get away with consequences, just because s/he is a hero??

 

I also remember baldurs gate 2 have cat fights between possible love interests and at the point they make you choose before they actually sleeps with hero. That was quite real but this no consequences thing is not understandable. They also leave the hero's side if hero do too many things which is against their believe or thought process. I dont see that in current games.

 

Alignment issues using the D & D ruleset was expected in BG. The romance issues added on more layer of complication to party composition that some gamers did not like. Some posters complained about Bioware taking away their ability to compose the party on top of what the D & D rules did.

 

So in response Bioware toned down the catfights, so that all party members would at least tolerate each other.

[AlexiaRevan]

Ahh, interesting, I seemed to have missed that detail.

 

Still ultimately has no relevance to what Aveline's marriage is an example of, so not really sure how it was relevant to what I was saying in the first place.  It also sounds like at the time Aveline is in game, her noble birth is long past the point of relevance and for all intents and purposes a non issue.

True . But since you love Aveline.....can you tell her to stop giving me grief about her died husband SHIELD!  I carried the darn thing all around Kirkwall , then that custcene come and she goes 'But we sold Wesley Shield' .No I didn't LOL 

[AlexiaRevan]

Her birth status had zero relevance where she was living, and with whom she married and why she married them.  It was a footnote in her past, not how she defined herself, or how anyone else identified her in the locations the game takes place in.   No one really knew or cared about her families foreign noble status that had fallen to the wayside anyway.  She certainly didn't, and it wasn't a factor in who she loved or married.

 

Which is what my point was about.  That marriage in Thedas is not just about politics and that Aveline was an example of not one, but two marriages purely for the sake of love.

 

Really why are we arguing about this?

Are we still talking about Aveline ? No . My post was about how birth status matter in a story . How Bioware implemant them , to build certain charachter . I didn't say it was about Aveline at all . 

[Puppy Love]

True . But since you love Aveline.....can you tell her to stop giving me grief about her died husband SHIELD!  I carried the darn thing all around Kirkwall , then that custcene come and she goes 'But we sold Wesley Shield' .No I didn't LOL 

 

I actually don't care for Aveline that much to be honest, lol. She just happens to be a good counter example to the political marriage is all that exists in Thedas claims people like to make.

[Puppy Love]

Are we still talking about Aveline ? No . My post was about how birth status matter in a story . How Bioware implemant them , to build certain charachter . I didn't say it was about Aveline at all . 

ahh two similar conversations blurring together for confusion for all yay!!!!

[riverbanks]

There are actually a lot of consequences to cheating?

 

In DAO, cheating will get you called out by all of the love interests. Some of them can be lied to for a little while, but eventually they will all ask you to choose between them and the other(s) - if they won't straight up break up with you and tell you to go enjoy your side game. Yes, you can exploit broken mechanics to end the game with more than one romance flag activated, but that's not supported by the game's storytelling itself. As far as the romances were written, you had to make a choice at some point, and suffer the massive approval loss on whichever part you decided to let go/whichever part decided to let go of you.

 

In DA2 there was no jealousy dialogue or catfighting like in DAO, but sleeping around blocked romances from progressing to completion. If you slept with someone else after sleeping with Fenris, his romance would be closed down and he'd never approach you about it again. Starting another romance after sleeping with Isabela stopped her romance progression into Act 3. Sebastian wouldn't even give you the time of day if you flirted all over the place.

 

It's all there. It'll probably be there again. You're free to shag your entire party if you want, but it's not without consequence.

[Chernaya]

No consequences? I very much remember approval loss and being forced to choose between Leliana and Alistair in Origins. In 2, once the romance becomes official it locks and you can't flirt (except for very few exceptions that don't go anywhere), so cheating isn't really possible, as far as I'm aware.