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[raging_monkey]

Perhaps Barindur was the first city to suffer a attack by the rifts which eventually engulfed the entire city. Sending Barindur into the Fade.
 
If true then a plot point in the game may be the Inquisitor getting pulled into a rift he is trying to close and wakes up in Barindur thus discovering more secrets of the Elder One and how long it has been plotting and manipulating events.

ohh interesting

[cardinalally]

crazy scary is a understatment and we are not in the creek.... we are in the **** ocean if thats true

Yes, I would say we would be swimming in a virtual ocean of ****.  So expect thing to get...smelly

 

I wouldn't go as far back as you did. The best start place would be the Black City. Since Cory says it was like that when they arrived, I like to think the Black City was The Elder One's Prison, and the Taint the security measure which kept him in. When the Magisters took the taint into themselves when they arrived, it allowed the Elder One to Escape and since then been recovering. Then at the Start of the Dragon Age he began moving pieces.

The reason I decided to date things that far back is because something had to call the magisters to the City.  If the EO was trying to break out then he might have contacted beings who he thought he could use.  I think it would make sense that the EO would need to make those that he is "talking" to powerful enough to breach the it.  I agree that the Golden/Black City was likely the EO prison and the taint some defense to keep him in, or it was a reaction to him breaking out.  

 

If this is true than the EO would have likely tried to set things in motion to break out.  I don't think he had a direct hand in teaching the magisters blood magic or even the fall of the elves, but think of it as more of a consequence/reaction to his interference.  Think of it like throwing a pebble into a pond.  The pebble is the more direct action and the ripples the reaction/consquence of the action.  The EO has been throwing pebbles into the pond that is Thedas for a long time and this has led to other things happening.  Things that the EO didn't even plan on happening sometimes.  Although it is unlikely he will admit this since he is supposed to be so arrogant.  So while the EO didn't directly cause a lot of what happened in Thedas his actions were a fairly direct cause to a lot of it.

 

He might have even had other plans that didn't work or suffered set backs to his plans.  But the EO is patient and has been seeding Theda's for his return.  Waiting for the perfect moment when everything was just right and then BOOM, we have the start of DA:I.   

[raging_monkey]

Yes, I would say we would be swimming in a virtual ocean of ****.  So expect thing to get...smelly
 

The reason I decided to date things that far back is because something had to call the magisters to the City.  If the EO was trying to break out then he might have contacted beings who he thought he could use.  I think it would make sense that the EO would need to make those that he is "talking" to powerful enough to breach the it.  I agree that the Golden/Black City was likely the EO prison and the taint some defense to keep him in, or it was a reaction to him breaking out.  
 
If this is true than the EO would have likely tried to set things in motion to break out.  I don't think he had a direct hand in teaching the magisters blood magic or even the fall of the elves, but think of it as more of a consequence/reaction to his interference.  Think of it like throwing a pebble into a pond.  The pebble is the more direct action and the ripples the reaction/consquence of the action.  The EO has been throwing pebbles into the pond that is Thedas for a long time and this has led to other things happening.  Things that the EO didn't even plan on happening sometimes.  Although it is unlikely he will admit this since he is supposed to be so arrogant.  So while the EO didn't directly cause a lot of what happened in Thedas his actions were a fairly direct cause to a lot of it.
 
He might have even had other plans that didn't work or suffered set backs to his plans.  But the EO is patient and has been seeding Theda's for his return.  Waiting for the perfect moment when everything was just right and then BOOM, we have the start of DA:I.

so thats what im smelling knew it smelt bad lol


If one throw pebbles in the pond it does cause ripples but can also cause splashback. I wonder if the more he meddled the more powerful he got but also was restricted in a way til he found a way to tear the veil

[cardinalally]

That might be true.  Also the darkspawn and the Blight may have been an unintended consequence of luring the Magisters to the City.  

 

I've always thought that the EO could only interact with Thedas with limited means while the Veil was in place.  So yeah, without the Veil he can now directly interact with things while before he was limited to 'whispering' to people to get them to do things.  This is not the best way because there is the chance that something will go wrong or people won't react how you think.  With the Veil torn now he can take a more direct hand.

 

Ohhh...what if the Veil was a secondary "prison" for the EO.  Prisons often have multiple layers of protection to keep things in.  So his direct prison was the City, and when it was breached he was partially let out.  But so long as the Veil was whole he was still trapped in the City and couldn't leave.  This would explain why he has been absent until now.

[raging_monkey]

Ohh thats good my friend very good

[raging_monkey]

Double post

[Killdren88]

Okay so if we go by this theory that the Black City was The Elder One's prison, who put him there, and what did he do to warrant imprisonment?

[EdwinLi]

Okay so if we go by this theory that the Black City was The Elder One's prison, who put him there, and what did he do to warrant imprisonment?

 

Perhaps the Maker himself did back during a time when the Fade was his only creation due to the Elder One power over the Fade. After the Golden City was finished and the Elder One imprisoned the Maker created Thedas as a new world which the Elder one will not be able to influence like it did with the Fade.

[cardinalally]

This thread is so awesome.  I get to see other peoples theory's which then get me to thinking and well...fun times.

 

I'm probably wrong but its fun to speculate

[Killdren88]

Perhaps the Maker himself did back during a time before he was called the Maker.

 

Okay..the entity that we call the Maker now placed him there...now that I think about it, that chant of Light Verse makes more sense from the start of DA:O  Maybe it refers to The Elder One instead of the Blight?

 

And so is the Golden City blackened With each step you take in my Hall. Marvel at perfection, for it is fleeting. You have brought Sin to Heaven And doom upon all the world. -Threnodies 8:13

[raging_monkey]

This thread is so awesome.  I get to see other peoples theory's which then get me to thinking and well...fun times.
 
I'm probably wrong but its fun to speculate

hey conspiracybnuts need a place to congregate lol but really i think so to.

Okay so if we go by this theory that the Black City was The Elder One's prison, who put him there, and what did he do to warrant imprisonment?

i think he's the equalvelent to lucifer he tried to be the maker but failed. Best explanation for him imo

[cardinalally]

Okay so if we go by this theory that the Black City was The Elder One's prison, who put him there, and what did he do to warrant imprisonment?

 

Idk, 

The elves talk about their gods being imprisoned by Fen'Harel.  So maybe there is some truth to the tale.  In DA I think a lot of the old legends and tales have at least a grain of truth although a lot of it probably has been changed or forgotten, so it is an incomplete picture.  

I mentioned it in an earlier post, its been awhile, that if you think of history as a big game of telephone.  You start with the truth but over time as ppl tell the tale and it gets reinterpertated it gets changed to something that is almost unrecognizable.  

 

Perhaps the Maker himself did back during a time when the Fade was his only creation.

 

Or this

The wiki says that the Tevinters recognized that the creator of the world was the maker, but called him something else.  So it is possible that the Chantry's Maker has gone by many different names.

[EdwinLi]

 

Okay..the entity that we call the Maker now placed him there...now that I think about it, that chant of Light Verse makes more sense from the start of DA:O  Maybe it refers to The Elder One instead of the Blight?

 

And so is the Golden City blackened With each step you take in my Hall. Marvel at perfection, for it is fleeting. You have brought Sin to Heaven And doom upon all the world. -Threnodies 8:13

 

 

a interesting thought did appear in my mind being that maybe the Maker made the Golden City his home because he remained there to be the Warden of the place so he can make certain that the Elder One never escapes his prison. Until the Magisters appeared and the prison was broken.

 

However, another question would appear if this is true being what happened to the Maker if he failed to prevent the Elder One from escaping his Prison in the Golden City since he lived in the Golden City to serve as the Warden.

[raging_monkey]

Idk, 
The elves talk about their gods being imprisoned by Fen'Harel.  So maybe there is some truth to the tale.  In DA I think a lot of the old legends and tales have at least a grain of truth although a lot of it probably has been changed or forgotten, so it is an incomplete picture.  
I mentioned it in an earlier post, its been awhile, that if you think of history as a big game of telephone.  You start with the truth but over time as ppl tell the tale and it gets reinterpertated it gets changed to something that is almost unrecognizable.  
 

 
Or this
The wiki says that the Tevinters recognized that the creator of the world was the maker, but called him something else.  So it is possible that the Chantry's Maker has gone by many different names.

hmm the "maker" doesnt exist BUT the creator does exist. Wordplay at its best lol

[Killdren88]

a interesting thought did appear in my mind being that maybe the Maker made the Golden City his home because he remained there to be the Warden of the place so he can make certain that the Elder One never escapes his prison. Until the Magisters appeared and the prison was broken.

 

However, another question would appear if this is true being what happened to the Maker if he failed to prevent the Elder One from escaping his Prison in the Golden City since he lived in the Golden City to serve as the Warden.

 

Maybe The Elder One wounded the Maker Badly and has been recovering as well? He is too weak to help the mortal world?

[EdwinLi]

Maybe The Elder One wounded the Maker Badly and has been recovering as well? He is too weak to help the mortal world?

 

Or maybe the Maker is now the Prison in the Black City as the Elder One's method of revenge for being sealed in the Golden City by him.

[cardinalally]

So this is slightly off topic...but I was looking at the wiki (I'm a lore nerd so sue me) and I was reading up on the Qun and it says that the Tome of Koslun mentions 1. An alternate story to Calanhad and how he gained the power to unite Ferelden and 2) and also has info about the ancient Tevinters and their dragon gods.  So here is my question.

 

The tome was written likely in the Qunari homeland, where they came from, they arrived in the Steel age if I remember correctly.  The Tevinter old gods were way before that and Ferelden and Calanhad were in the Exalted age.  So how does their founding document have information about events that took place in Thedas before their arrival?  Or am I missing something.

[Killdren88]

Or maybe the Maker is now the Prison in the Black City as the Elder One's method of revenge for being sealed in the Golden City by him.

 

Then I imagine it has demons gardening the Black City up the Wazzoo to ensure no one gets out.

[cardinalally]

Or maybe the Maker is now the Prison in the Black City as the Elder One's method of revenge for being sealed in the Golden City by him.

This is a cool idea, but what about him talking to Andraste.  

 

Maybe he spoke to her in an attempt to mitigate the damage caused by the EO being released and lost all hope in humanity when they burned her or something.  

[EdwinLi]

So this is slightly off topic...but I was looking at the wiki (I'm a lore nerd so sue me) and I was reading up on the Qun and it says that the Tome of Koslun mentions 1. An alternate story to Calanhad and how he gained the power to unite Ferelden and 2) and also has info about the ancient Tevinters and their dragon gods.  So here is my question.

 

The tome was written likely in the Qunari homeland, where they came from, they arrived in the Steel age if I remember correctly.  The Tevinter old gods were way before that and Ferelden and Calanhad were in the Exalted age.  So how does their founding document have information about events that took place in Thedas before their arrival?  Or am I missing something.

 

Perhaps the World of Thedas is not a place the Maker created but found. 

 

for example, 

 

In the Elven Dalish Origin in DAO players can discover that Elves once lived similar to humans or had lived with humans together in the Ruins where the Dalish Warden discovered the Eluvian. This Ruin predate any historical records of Human arrive which contraducts Thedas current History so it is possible Humans were never creations of the Maker.

[raging_monkey]

So this is slightly off topic...but I was looking at the wiki (I'm a lore nerd so sue me) and I was reading up on the Qun and it says that the Tome of Koslun mentions 1. An alternate story to Calanhad and how he gained the power to unite Ferelden and 2) and also has info about the ancient Tevinters and their dragon gods.  So here is my question.
 
The tome was written likely in the Qunari homeland, where they came from, they arrived in the Steel age if I remember correctly.  The Tevinter old gods were way before that and Ferelden and Calanhad were in the Exalted age.  So how does their founding document have information about events that took place in Thedas before their arrival?  Or am I missing something.

i have no idea and thats a first. Spies maybe?

[cardinalally]

i have no idea and thats a first. Spies maybe?

Yeah, that would make sense.  There is also an entry that Kossith, the name for the people before they all converted to Qunari, landed in Southern Ferelden and formed a colony during the first blight, something ancient, don't know the actual date.  It is believed that this is where the orginal ogres came from.  So they have obviously come to Thedas before maybe they came and left without anyone being the wiser.  

[raging_monkey]

Yeah, that would make sense.  There is also an entry that Kossith, the name for the people before they all converted to Qunari, landed in Southern Ferelden and formed a colony during the first blight, something ancient, don't know the actual date.  It is believed that this is where the orginal ogres came from.  So they have obviously come to Thedas before maybe they came and left without anyone being the wiser.

all possible we may never know

[myahele]

One thing I realized is that Tevinters make no claim that the Old Gods where creators of the world. They more or less acknowledge they are ancient and powerful dragons that has helped them out....compared to the Creator they originally worshipped. 

 

Same thing with the Elven myths. Their gods didn't create the world. They just added stuff to it.

[raging_monkey]

Yup all have a bit of truth