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[Timate]

what if sandal was the elder one that would throw everyone off guard lol

[TTTX]

New trailer! 10 seconds in Inq has a red lyrium sword like Meredith.

It better be explained why the Inquisitor and/or others don't go crazy from red lyrium.

 

I don't like plot armor much, especially since we know red lyrium can drive people crazy within seconds.

[Kieran G.]

It better be explained why the Inquisitor and/or others don't go crazy from red lyrium.

 

I don't like plot armor much, especially since we know red lyrium can drive people crazy within seconds.

Yeah, And is that a recreation of Meredith sword made in its image. or did the exploding sword somehow um... not actually explode?

[TTTX]

Yeah, And is that a recreation of Meredith sword made in its image. or did the exploding sword somehow um... not actually explode?

It's probably just a creation from the crafting system or the sword from the Red templar leader who had it crafted like Meredith's.

 

I will stay far away from it, because it's simply to dangerous and it won't be able to do all that stuff Meredith did in DA2, that game won't allow it (it's also possible Varric was blowing the battle out of prepositions, so a red lyrium sword may not be as powerful in that regard).

[viperidae]

what if sandal was the elder one that would throw everyone off guard lol

 

oh god, you've made me want this now

[Kieran G.]

It's probably just a creation from the crafting system or the sword from the Red templar leader who had it crafted like Meredith's.

 

I will stay far away from it, because it's simply to dangerous and it won't be able to do all that stuff Meredith did in DA2, that game won't allow it (it's also possible Varric was blowing the battle out of prepositions, so a red lyrium sword may not be as powerful in that regard).

Very true, Who did meredith say crafted it? wasn't there a few quests about it? 

[TTTX]

Very true, Who did meredith say crafted it? wasn't there a few quests about it? 

there was no quests in DA2 about Meredith's sword not sure about DA:I and I'm pretty sure Meredith didn't say who crafted her sword

[Kieran G.]

there was no quests in DA2 about Meredith's sword not sure about DA:I and I'm pretty sure Meredith didn't say who crafted her sword

I just swear i remember something about a blacksmith going crazy. idk, maybe we find the blue print or something.

[TTTX]

I just swear i remember something about a blacksmith going crazy. idk, maybe we find the blue print or something.

I have never encountered a crazy blacksmith i DA2.

[Sphynxian]

It's obviously not, but... a man can dream.

[HK-90210]

I still think that the Elder One is something we've never encountered or read about before. He's not a demon, an Old God, a Forgotten One or a Magister of old. He's something new that the devs can expend on in future installments. Every once in a while they need to introduce something new to keep the series fresh. Like they did with the Old Thaig and the red lyrium in DAII. So I'm all for them introducing the Elder One as Thedas's equivalent of the Devil. Some evil, malevolent force with no good intentions, full of lies and deceit, malice and cruelty. Just something that is bad for the sake of being bad.

[Killdren88]

I still think that the Elder One is something we've never encountered or read about before. He's not a demon, an Old God, a Forgotten One or a Magister of old. He's something new that the devs can expend on in future installments. Every once in a while they need to introduce something new to keep the series fresh. Like they did with the Old Thaig and the red lyrium in DAII. So I'm all for them introducing the Elder One as Thedas's equivalent of the Devil. Some evil, malevolent force with no good intentions, full of lies and deceit, malice and cruelty. Just something that is bad for the sake of being bad.

I wouldn't mind if the Elder One is a reoccurring Villain. But they would need to do it in a way that doesn't make him into a stale character.

[myahele]

What if Sandal is similar to the Inquisitor? That he was given special powers for whatever reasons, but it resulted messing up his mind.

I just realized that that glowly lady appears in alot of artwork released by bioware, especially pre inquisition. That lady is always looming in the distance, watching. And Sandal is also with the main protagonists. And kills darkspawn and demons that may have ended up killing the protagonist

[inko1nsiderate]

We don't know he has a demon army, only that he caused the veil to tear. they could easily just be demons pouring in because they can.

 

Also i was looking over all of the talk. and has no one talked about fen'harel? he was talked about so much in TME and then Felassan whole ending scene, i mean Fen'harel can easily be another demon we have heard about in different stories, i just think Elven lore is going to be very heavy in Inquisition.

Super late to this party, but Fen'Harel was definitely my first thought.  I mean, he tricked old gods into slumber underneath the Earth (or at least that is what I take locking them below means), and locked up the Elven gods, presumably, the Fade and I'd wager even the Golden City (since that is the equivalent of the heavens I'd guess).  

[Kieran G.]

Super late to this party, but Fen'Harel was definitely my first thought.  I mean, he tricked old gods into slumber underneath the Earth (or at least that is what I take locking them below means), and locked up the Elven gods, presumably, the Fade and I'd wager even the Golden City (since that is the equivalent of the heavens I'd guess).  

Just to add to your theory. The elven gods lived in a heaven which was in the fade the name of the place was the "eternal city" and that is where they are supposedly trapped.

 

that was very early on, i've expanded upon it so much. 

[Jayken]

Just to add to your theory. The elven gods lived in a heaven which was in the fade the name of the place was the "eternal city" and that is where they are supposedly trapped.

 

that was very early on, i've expanded upon it so much. 

I've often thought that the Black City was more of a prison than a seat of power. Even the most powerful demons and spirits don't go there, it's the only fixed position in the fade, and the only known people to ever set foot in it were immediately cast out and corrupted. Whatever it holds, it's clear no one, fade entity or mortal, is wanted there.

 

To add onto the Elves a bit, there is nothing to suggest that their gods were or are benevolent. In fact it would be kind of darkly poetic if the Elves were slaves to the Creators.

[Kieran G.]

I've often thought that the Black City was more of a prison than a seat of power. Even the most powerful demons and spirits don't go there, it's the only fixed position in the fade, and the only known people to ever set foot in it were immediately cast out and corrupted. Whatever it holds, it's clear no one, fade entity or mortal, is wanted there.

 

To add onto the Elves a bit, there is nothing to suggest that their gods were or are benevolent. In fact it would be kind of darkly poetic if the Elves were slaves to the Creators.

The Creators were never described to be nice, but they would help the "people" while the forgotten One's wanted to trick and would hurt the people. that's why me and others believe the Forgotten Ones are the Old God and that Elven Lore will help us find the truth of the Black city more than a Magister or Human history.

 

There are too many coincidences

 

Elves believe in the Creators and the Forgotten ones, and Believe the city in the fade to be the seat of their gods. and believe the Sun was the maker of the entire elven pantheon. And Elgar'Nan sturck the Maker down and forced him to stay away from the planet and circle every day.

 

Tevinter Believes in the Creator and the Old Gods, and that the city held "the power of the gods" (Corypheus stated this.)

 

Andrastian Thedas believes in the Maker. and that the Golden city was his seat. they also believe he First created the Fade and made the first spirits in his image then created the Veil and the world after that. But some spirits grew jealous. They also believe the maker has left them.

 

This may not be true and i don't even believe its trust but lit me right it up like this

 

The sun is the Maker in the legend but he never made the Veil, he Created the first spirits(the Creators) they would help the people, teaching them how to live. the First spirits to become demons from jealousy were the "Forgotten Ones. Then the Neutral Spirit Fen'Harel locked these first Demons and spirits away making the Veil(We can Infer Fen'Harel has the power to open the Veil because of his mask in redemption.) And its because of Elgar'Nan the first Creator and spirit who caused the Maker/Sun to leave the world.

 

That's just a way you can connect all the religions on the surface.

[Jayken]

It still wouldn't explain why the Magisters became corrupted after entering the city though, or why they seek out the Old Gods as a result. The Taint itself is a mystery altogether. It originates from the Fade and yet it seems to cut off it's victims from the Fade. It has the power to sustain life seemingly indefinitely but more often than not it destroys it. Also, why would the Taint drive the infect to seek out the Old Gods?

 

Imo the various religions aren't even half-truths, they may just be wrong on many levels.

[TTTX]

It still wouldn't explain why the Magisters became corrupted after entering the city though, or why they seek out the Old Gods as a result. The Taint itself is a mystery altogether. It originates from the Fade and yet it seems to cut off it's victims from the Fade. It has the power to sustain life seemingly indefinitely but more often than not it destroys it. Also, why would the Taint drive the infect to seek out the Old Gods?

 

Imo the various religions aren't even half-truths, they may just be wrong on many levels.

True, but Chantry is right about the magisters going to the fade, who then got tainted and started the first blight and there seem to be some common facts between the various relgions.

 

As what happened when the magisters arrived at the city is a mystery (expect they got tainted), although according to Coryp. the city was already black by the time they arrived.

[TTTX]

It's obviously not, but... a man can dream.

 

*snip*

I wish Tony Jay was still alive, try to imagine the Elder one with Tony Jay voice, it would be epic on so many levels.

[Ieldra]

As for Cory, I do think we're underestimating his potential as a villain.

A magister who has - at least in part - achieved that "power of the gods themselves" he set out to acquire is certainly an interesting concept and worth exploring. The problem is just that we've seen him before and he wasn't that impressive then, and more importantly...

(1) He's been sleeping all the time and couldn't have had major influence on events beyond his prison.
(2) The few years he's been free are't believable for the developments we see on Thedas.
(3) Both Flemeth and Sandal allude to some big change and some entity that plays a part in it before Hawke encounters Corypheus.

Something clearly doesn't fit. Maybe it's an artifact of sequential storytelling and retcons, in that case it's not necessarily bad in itself but suboptimal storytelling as the writers - yet again - refused to be bound by past events to a degree I find unacceptable, or there's something important we don't know yet.

[TTTX]

A magister who has - at least in part - achieved that "power of the gods themselves" he set out to acquire is certainly an interesting concept and worth exploring. The problem is just that we've seen him before and he wasn't that impressive then, and more importantly...

(1) He's been sleeping all the time and couldn't have had major influence on events beyond his prison.
(2) The few years he's been free are't believable for the developments we see on Thedas.
(3) Both Flemeth and Sandal allude to some big change and some entity that plays a part in it before Hawke encounters Corypheus.

Something clearly doesn't fit. Maybe it's an artifact of sequential storytelling and retcons, in that case it's not necessarily bad in itself but suboptimal storytelling as the writers - yet again - refused to be bound by past events to a degree I find unacceptable, or there's something important we don't know yet.

Well since Coryp. has been sleeping in his prison, it's possible for him to have been wandering the fade during that time and affect people via their dreams.

[Ieldra]

I still think that the Elder One is something we've never encountered or read about before. He's not a demon, an Old God, a Forgotten One or a Magister of old. He's something new that the devs can expend on in future installments. Every once in a while they need to introduce something new to keep the series fresh. Like they did with the Old Thaig and the red lyrium in DAII. So I'm all for them introducing the Elder One as Thedas's equivalent of the Devil. Some evil, malevolent force with no good intentions, full of lies and deceit, malice and cruelty. Just something that is bad for the sake of being bad.

The Elder One could be the one who manipulated the ancient magisters to go to the Golden City, posing as Dumat. That would certainly fit the image I have of him much better than Corypheus. In that case we won't be able to win the war in DAI, we'll only win a major battle as we defeat one of his figures.

However, at this point I dare not hope for such a scenario. It would mean Bioware would leave a major plot point unresolved and practically require a sequel. No DA game has been like that before.

Also, I do not think he should be someone who is "bad for the sake of being bad". That rarely makes sense, and even less so on such a scope. It would be more likely to turn him into a caricature.

[Ieldra]

Well since Coryp. has been sleeping in his prison, it's possible for him to have been wandering the fade during that time and affect people via their dreams.

True, but how do you explain his confusion at awakening? If he had influenced events through the Fade, he would have to have an idea about how the world had been going since he went to the Black City.

[TTTX]

True, but how do you explain his confusion at awakening? If he had influenced events through the Fade, he would have to have an idea about how the world had been going since he went to the Black City.

He has been sleeping for centuries close 1300 years, he would be pretty groggy after all that time and it probably took some time before he could remember 1300 years of memories or it possible he acted all confused simply to not let Hawke and the others know that he was up to something.