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[Kieran G.]

I'm sure this has been mentioned... but I can't read all 147 pages.  I'm starting to think the Elder One is actually Fenriel.  The Dreamer from DA2.  The tile in the Keep asking about his fate only cemented this idea.

 

It was said he could shape the Fade as he saw fit. This could also be why Hawke comes back.  His decision on Fenriel could be the reason all of this happened.  Even if he was made Tranquil, we learned in Asunder that Tranquility can be reversed, and Traquil mages can be possessed by demons.

Fenriel is like 17? not much of a Elder if you ask me.

 

But he is a dreamer with powers we haven't exactly seen. and considering he is in the keep.

 

Any argument you can make with how the dev's have described the EO? Arrogant beyond belief. been working from the shadows for years orchestrating the MT war. great power, a cult of tevinters supporting him, connection to red lyrium. etc etc.

 

Fenriel didn't seem that arrogant to me, more of a brat who whines a lot.

[Fizzie Panda]

I'm sure this has been mentioned... but I can't read all 147 pages.  I'm starting to think the Elder One is actually Fenriel.  The Dreamer from DA2.  The tile in the Keep asking about his fate only cemented this idea.

 

It was said he could shape the Fade as he saw fit. This could also be why Hawke comes back.  His decision on Fenriel could be the reason all of this happened.  Even if he was made Tranquil, we learned in Asunder that Tranquility can be reversed, and Traquil mages can be possessed by demons.

I don't know... I think he'll definitely play an important part.. but when we go to Tevinter

[Han Shot First]

I'm sure this has been mentioned... but I can't read all 147 pages.  I'm starting to think the Elder One is actually Fenriel.  The Dreamer from DA2.  The tile in the Keep asking about his fate only cemented this idea.

 

It was said he could shape the Fade as he saw fit. This could also be why Hawke comes back.  His decision on Fenriel could be the reason all of this happened.  Even if he was made Tranquil, we learned in Asunder that Tranquility can be reversed, and Traquil mages can be possessed by demons.

 

Hawke fails again!

 

[Fardreamer]

Fenriel is like 17? not much of a Elder if you ask me.
 
But he is a dreamer with powers we haven't exactly seen. and considering he is in the keep.
 
Any argument you can make with how the dev's have described the EO? Arrogant beyond belief. been working from the shadows for years orchestrating the MT war. great power, a cult of tevinters supporting him, connection to red lyrium. etc etc.
 
Fenriel didn't seem that arrogant to me, more of a brat who whines a lot.

I mean it would be a possessed Fenriel. That's one of the options you could make in the game. You could make a deal with the demon and allow him to be possessed.

And BW has said certain events in Asunder will explain a lot about Inquisition. The whole revelation that Tranquility can be reversed and demons can possess them, might be that certain event.

The Dalish keeper even said If a demon were to be able to possess Fenriel, he'd be powerful beyond anything seen before. That's why she asked you to make him Tranquil if we couldn't bring him out.

[Kieran G.]

I mean it would be a possessed Fenriel. That's one of the options you could make in the game. You could make a deal with the demon and allow him to be possessed.

And BW has said certain events in Asunder will explain a lot about Inquisition. The whole revelation that Tranquility can be reversed and demons can possess them, might be that certain event.

The Dalish keeper even said If a demon were to be able to possess Fenriel, he'd be powerful beyond anything seen before. That's why she asked you to make him Tranquil if we couldn't bring him out.

alright.

 

But where did this demon (Who was just a mere sloth demon) learn to rip the veil, since we know he was just a sloth demon and therefore had no creativity?

 

Sorry if it seems like im saying if you are wrong, i'm more trying to see you defend your point and to force you to think critically about your own theory. it can help flush it out.

[Fardreamer]

In the mage origin we see a very powerful demon pretending to be a weak mage to trick you. Sure he may have looked like a sloth demon, but they're tricky. Maybe that same demon from the origin story, is the same demon who duped Hawke... And is now the Elder One by possessing Fenriel.

[Kieran G.]

In the mage origin we see a very powerful demon pretending to be a weak mage to trick you. Sure he may have looked like a sloth demon, but they're tricky. Maybe that same demon from the origin story, is the same demon who duped Hawke... And is now the Elder One by possessing Fenriel.

it would be a call back.

 

alright then what about the foreshadowing?

 

"The prison has been breach, the darkness will consume all." that was said by the same statue in the magi origin.

 

Or flemeth and morrigans prophecy. wouldn't either of them say "Yo remember that sloth demon? yeah... he totes gonna kill us all."

 

But why would a cult worship a dreamer abomination? we've never heard of any cult doing that.

[Fardreamer]

Not sure tbh...

 

Maybe the Demon from the mage origin is actually what the statue was talking about.  He had been imprisoned, but when your Warden killed the other demon it may have freed him.  I don't remember Morrigan/Flemeth's prophecy, but neither one of them saw the Demon both times it was encountered... if it actually is the same one.

 

As for a cult worshipping it, why would a cult worship a dragon? It seems there's always a cult to worship something powerful.

[kimgoold]

Some crazy theories..

 

(1) the Maker is actually Fen'Harel, he appeared after the other gods Elven and Dragon banished. And is just having great fun screwing with humans saying he's god.

 

(2)  DA2 Dreamer Feynriel left to go to Tevinter to study ... so what happened, what effects does this have?.

 

(3) Primordial Thaig, could this be Arlathan? Bertrand said it wasn't remotely dwarven in nature and it was deeper than any previously found dwarven thaig. The tevinters supposedly sank Arlathan below the ground, why not below even the dwarves themselves??

 

(4) The Elder One could be the first human Dreamer who taught blood magic and dragon worship to the humans.By Fen'Harel again just to screw with the elves and humans.

 

(5) And if the Primordial Thaig isn't Arlathan could the Golden City be it. The Eluvians were used to travel by the elves so why not? And perhaps the humans entering it corrupted it like it aged the elves themselves 

 

Just a few theories

[Kieran G.]

Some crazy theories..

 

(1) the Maker is actually Fen'Harel, he appeared after the other gods Elven and Dragon banished. And is just having great fun screwing with humans saying he's god.

 

(2)  DA2 Dreamer Feynriel left to go to Tevinter to study ... so what happened, what effects does this have?.

 

(3) Primordial Thaig, could this be Arlathan? Bertrand said it wasn't remotely dwarven in nature and it was deeper than any previously found dwarven thaig. The tevinters supposedly sank Arlathan below the ground, why not below even the dwarves themselves??

 

(4) The Elder One could be the first human Dreamer who taught blood magic and dragon worship to the humans.By Fen'Harel again just to screw with the elves and humans.

 

(5) And if the Primordial Thaig isn't Arlathan could the Golden City be it. The Eluvians were used to travel by the elves so why not? And perhaps the humans entering it corrupted it like it aged the elves themselves 

 

Just a few theories

Just to give some context.

 

The elves believed there Creators lived in a City within the fade known as the Eternal city. and Fen'Harel locked them and the Forgotten ones away to keep them from the people of Elhevan(The empire of the Elves,)

 

Fenriel is a choice outcome meaning they would need to ignore player choice to make him a central focal point. just like the OGB

 

The maker was described to create the first spirits and created the Veil to protect his new creation. Fen'Harel supposedly(Based on his mask in Redemption) can tear the veil to move through it. and in legend wasn't all that strong compared to some of the other gods.

[viperidae]

(...)

 

Fenriel is a choice outcome meaning they would need to ignore player choice to make him a central focal point. just like the OGB

 

(...)

 

 

 

 

My two cents is that this isn't necessarily true. IIRC, he can end up with the mages (tranquil), possed, or on his own. If this whole thing about a very powerful demon being able to posses a tranquil, and restore his powers, then it wouldn't exactly be subverting player choice. Sure, it's still a bit coincidental that no matter his situation the Demon in question manages to find him, but if they do go this route i'm sure they can **** up a demon powerful enough to do something like this.

[Kieran G.]

My two cents is that this isn't necessarily true. IIRC, he can end up with the mages (tranquil), possed, or on his own. If this whole thing about a very powerful demon being able to posses a tranquil, and restore his powers, then it wouldn't exactly be subverting player choice. Sure, it's still a bit coincidental that no matter his situation the Demon in question manages to find him, but if they do go this route i'm sure they can **** up a demon powerful enough to do something like this.

It would just make the choice pointless.

 

A, Give him to Tevinter > ends up as a crazy old demon in Orlais.

B, Give him to Chantry > ends up as a crazy old demon in Orlais.

C, Give him to Demons > ends up as a crazy old demon in Orlais.

[viperidae]

I realize that, but it's not even close to as extreme as say, Leliana being killed by your warden and "coming back" or the whole OGB thing.

[Kieran G.]

I realize that, but it's not even close to as extreme as say, Leliana being killed by your warden and "coming back" or the whole OGB thing.

Yeah the leliana thing kinda makes killing her pointless(It will be a cool interaction though) and the OGB thing isn't canon, and for all we know the Dev's aren't going to include anything about him in Inquisition.

[Wynne]

I have to get this off my chest. 

 

Feynriel. Feynriel.

 

*collapses in relief*

 

Anyway, I have to say, I sure do love how much this Elder One thing messes with my head. I love the idea that the lore we know is a lot more related and complicated than we could've guessed.

[raging_monkey]

I have to get this off my chest. 
 
Feynriel. Feynriel.
 
*collapses in relief*
 
Anyway, I have to say, I sure do love how much this Elder One thing messes with my head. I love the idea that the lore we know is a lot more related and complicated than we could've guessed.

this the elder one thread we've had many disscusions lol

[Lucidae]

Just dropping in. Haven't really read the thread.

 

I think the Elder One is Dumat which Corypheus summoned by influencing the wardens and/or the Venatori.

 

My bf just finished playing Legacy for the first time and we realized that it is very obvious that Larius/Janeka leaves possessed by Corypheus. We think that Corypheus went to influence the wardens and that is why we can/are going to fight them in DAI.

[TTTX]

Angry Joe posted a video on Youtube and it's pretty much the prologue, he skips over most of the cut scenes, but you do get to see and hear a little here and there.

 

We do get to hear the EO in the prologue, it's not much.

 

I decide to put the video in spoiler tags so you can see and hear it yourself and it might give us a little more to theorize on.

 

Spoiler

[raging_monkey]

Just dropping in. Haven't really read the thread.
 
I think the Elder One is Dumat which Corypheus summoned by influencing the wardens and/or the Venatori.
 
My bf just finished playing Legacy for the first time and we realized that it is very obvious that Larius/Janeka leaves possessed by Corypheus. We think that Corypheus went to influence the wardens and that is why we can/are going to fight them in DAI.

the thread has generally resigned its cory. So feel free to join in

AND WELCOME TO OUR WONDERFUL THREAD

[Todrazok]

Some thoughts regarding what we hear in the Angryjoe video. 

 

Spoiler

So having looked at the video, the elder one, or rather, Corypheus most likely, seems to say something about bringing forth a sacrifice when the Inquisitor approaches the Breach. Solas seems to mention that red lyrium is somehow... corrupted. This gives me an idea, what if the explosion of the temple of sacred ashes, was in essence a powerful magical ritual, where the elder one sacrificed the denizens in order to create the Breach. This act, also corrupted the lyrium deposits beneath the temple into red lyrium. We haven't heard yet if the Breach happened before the explosion have we?

[kimgoold]

I really prefer not knowing myself, I love to think up all these wild insane theories with or without threads from books and games just to mess with myself so it will be a bigger surprise when it does get revealed. Hope to see what Flemmeth really is, I secretly hope she is Andraste; just to mess with the Chantry bigots.

[Killdren88]

Fenriel is like 17? not much of a Elder if you ask me.

 

But he is a dreamer with powers we haven't exactly seen. and considering he is in the keep.

 

Any argument you can make with how the dev's have described the EO? Arrogant beyond belief. been working from the shadows for years orchestrating the MT war. great power, a cult of tevinters supporting him, connection to red lyrium. etc etc.

 

Fenriel didn't seem that arrogant to me, more of a brat who whines a lot.

Perhaps he is just using his body until he can enter Thedas on his own?

[Auztin]

I think Elder One is a demon.An ancient demon.We haven't seen but 2 to 3 ancient demons.Elder One is probably a demon that other demons fear or Old God sound most probable but it could be someone like Flemeth.We know Flemeth isn't human not spirt nor demon but something else.

[Apostate.]

the thread has generally resigned its cory. So feel free to join in

AND WELCOME TO OUR WONDERFUL THREAD

*Stumbles* And we have wine for all! Or we did...where is the Wine? Anyone? *Faces flushes red at thought of lack of Wine*

Oh Wait I've been holding the Wine this entire time, crazy. Care for Wine?

[raging_monkey]

*Stumbles* And we have wine for all! Or we did...where is the Wine? Anyone? *Faces flushes red at thought of lack of Wine*
Oh Wait I've been holding the Wine this entire time, crazy. Care for Wine?

12 days til release.. sure why not break out the casks