Demons and codex entries have said you can always see the golden city/eternal city from any point in the fade but no one ever goes to it. so maybe there is a barrier protecting the golden city
Either that they are simply terrified of what lives in there.
Either that they are simply terrified of what lives in there.
Maybe it really is a prison... but who locked up what ever may be in there? elven or human legend? If eternal city and the golden city are the same, or even if they are different its really important we find out who did it. because that can change all the legends
What they did they lock up is also a good question. Imqgine the power it might yield
Two legends say that city is home to gods. so it really does have to be powerful.
Two legends say that city is home to gods. so it really does have to be powerful.
Make that three. The Tevinter expected to find the power of the gods.
However, one thing is bothering me right now. There don't seem to be extensive records of the Tevinter attempt to enter the Golden City, or else less people would question it as Chantry propaganda. This rather suggests to me that someone probably covered up the whole incident.
If that was the case, who or what told Andraste about it? She was a nobody born long after the original incident, and in no position to have access to state secrets.
If it was simply common knowledge, then I would think the Dwarves would have known before the discovery of Corypheus. Dwarves keep good records of things and had trade with the Tevinter. You would think they would have written about this kind of thing if it ever became commonly known.
Oh, and lest we forget... The Darkspawn first started appearing underground!
Who would ever make the connection between the Tevinter trying to reach the Golden City and the Darkspawn appearing? Well, I guess someone could remember that the city was Golden and connect it with the Darkspawn that eventually appeared, but if it were that easy than I would think there would be more stories about it than just the Chantry's.
But still, Andraste does seem to have known more than she should have about the whole incident. I suppose that's what I'll say for Andraste...
I think that whatever she may have been, she had an informant who witnessed the invasion of the Golden City.
Make that three. The Tevinter expected to find the power of the gods.
However, one thing is bothering me right now. There don't seem to be extensive records of the Tevinter attempt to enter the Golden City, or else less people would question it as Chantry propaganda. This rather suggests to me that someone probably covered up the whole incident.
If that was the case, who or what told Andraste about it? She was a nobody born long after the original incident, and in no position to have access to state secrets.
If it was simply common knowledge, then I would think the Dwarves would have known before the discovery of Corypheus. Dwarves keep good records of things and had trade with the Tevinter. You would think they would have written about this kind of thing if it ever became commonly known.
Oh, and lest we forget... The Darkspawn first started appearing underground!
Who would ever make the connection between the Tevinter trying to reach the Golden City and the Darkspawn appearing? Well, I guess someone could remember that the city was Golden and connect it with the Darkspawn that eventually appeared, but if it were that easy than I would think there would be more stories about it than just the Chantry's.
But still, Andraste does seem to have known more than she should have about the whole incident. I suppose that's what I'll say for Andraste...
I think that whatever she may have been, she had an informant who witnessed the invasion of the Golden City.
ambiguity is part of the setting, I am sure the devs know but I have a feeling its there to make it questionable for the religion to be real or not sort of like how real life religion is
Make that three. The Tevinter expected to find the power of the gods.
However, one thing is bothering me right now. There don't seem to be extensive records of the Tevinter attempt to enter the Golden City, or else less people would question it as Chantry propaganda. This rather suggests to me that someone probably covered up the whole incident.
If that was the case, who or what told Andraste about it? She was a nobody born long after the original incident, and in no position to have access to state secrets.
If it was simply common knowledge, then I would think the Dwarves would have known before the discovery of Corypheus. Dwarves keep good records of things and had trade with the Tevinter. You would think they would have written about this kind of thing if it ever became commonly known.
Oh, and lest we forget... The Darkspawn first started appearing underground!
Who would ever make the connection between the Tevinter trying to reach the Golden City and the Darkspawn appearing? Well, I guess someone could remember that the city was Golden and connect it with the Darkspawn that eventually appeared, but if it were that easy than I would think there would be more stories about it than just the Chantry's.
But still, Andraste does seem to have known more than she should have about the whole incident. I suppose that's what I'll say for Andraste...
I think that whatever she may have been, she had an informant who witnessed the invasion of the Golden City.
That is curious. why would kal'sharok or Orazmmar (since we know Paragon Aeducan was the first to see the darkspawn horde and the arche demon) trade with tevinter that caused a 200 year war and than the constant battles which made them lose their towns and cities.
We know they were desperate to keep trade with tevinter. we see that with the purge of the Cadash thaigs. so maybe they didn't record it to not upset tevinter or cause their people to hate tevinter.
They also never recorded the fact that Cadash thaig had elves so the tevinter or their people wouldn't find out so it isn't unheard of.
ambiguity is part of the setting, I am sure the devs know but I have a feeling its there to make it questionable for the religion to be real or not sort of like how real life religion is
I'm fine with ambiguity. I'm just saying that ambiguous or not, Andraste probably wasn't just a crazy woman who heard voices.
I'm not saying it's certain what spoke to her or told her about this, but I think it's reasonably likely that she did have a knowledgeable source of some kind that knew all about the Golden City.
It's even possible that she did come into contact with whatever thing used to live in there.
That is curious. why would kal'sharok or Orazmmar (since we know Paragon Aeducan was the first to see the darkspawn horde and the arche demon) trade with tevinter that caused a 200 year war and than the constant battles which made them lose their towns and cities.
We know they were desperate to keep trade with tevinter. we see that with the purge of the Cadash thaigs. so maybe they didn't record it to not upset tevinter or cause their people to hate tevinter.
They also never recorded the fact that Cadash thaig had elves so the tevinter or their people wouldn't find out so it isn't unheard of.
Whatever the case, the knowledge doesn't seem like it was very common at all.
Maybe elves (or thier gods) have something to do with it? What the Tevinters can do is a poor imitation to what Mages of Arlathan were capable of at their peak.
I wouldn't say the Tevinter Magister are poor imitations of what Elven Mages can do(and this is coming from a anti Tevinter player) Remember the elves lost the war, brutally. Arlathan was eaten by the world. Small refuges were hunted and destroyed(the temple where the werewolves were at) Tevinter magic was in my opinion greater than Elven magic at the time. maybe it was the help of the old gods or maybe the elves just didn't study magic that could match the Magisters.
perhaps it was with stolen elven magic or some elves switched sides. People do this during long warsI wouldn't say the Tevinter Magister are poor imitations of what Elven Mages can do(and this is coming from a anti Tevinter player) Remember the elves lost the war, brutally. Arlathan was eaten by the world. Small refuges were hunted and destroyed(the temple where the werewolves were at) Tevinter magic was in my opinion greater than Elven magic at the time. maybe it was the help of the old gods or maybe the elves just didn't study magic that could match the Magisters.
Why the cover up, why would gods be sealed, why does the elder one seek to rule. The pieces are falling in to place now we just. Put the puzzle together
So we should pay attention to the legends surround the city.
Tevinters thought there was a power in there they could take.
The Chantry believes it was the seat of there maker and turned black with the taint of the magisters.
The elves believe its where there creators are locked away.
So in one legend we have Fen'Harel locking gods into the city
the other the Maker created the fade, was disappointed in it created the world and thedas, then decided to stay in the fade and in this city inside the fade after creating this whole new world.
And the other we know barely any about except the Magister who came back were twisted and fled to the prison of Dumat. and that might be Chantry propaganda but we haven't heard a Tevinter legend saying otherwise so we must use that as our reference.
perhaps it was with stolen elven magic or some elves switched sides. People do this during long wars
Yeah i can see it, some elves thinking it might be better just to accept the quickening and join up. it would explain why elven mage's are treated almost equally in the empire.
equally is a sterech to an extent but yes elven magic is mostly nature(earthbending to a extent as well).so what more dangerous to a city aside from fire... nature. Plus elven magic is quite potent in the spirit schoolYeah i can see it, some elves thinking it might be better just to accept the quickening and join up. it would explain why elven mage's are treated almost equally in the empire.
I personally think the Magisters being the original dark spawn as well fact, because we have corpheus while some say he is not a magister I think he is. I think they were betrayed by the old gods, or were unwitting participants in something they did not quite understand. And what is powerful enough to trap the old gods underground? that is more interesting to me than anything else.
I also think that the magisters going into tivinter is widely known knowledge before the andrastian church was founded. Why? if I remember correctly there had already been the first blight, and it was the most devastating, people are desperate for a savior and well andreste filled the roll and she attributed knowledge that was already know widely. Records could have been lost or destroyed during the upheaval and thus no real concrete proof exists anymore in record or not. As for the shaperate we have seen that while mostly accurate can be doctored and something as powerful and secretive as the elder one. I would not be surprised if he has managed to sneak under the radar.
makes sense. Hard to deny cory despitebreservwtions with the chantryI personally think the Magisters being the original dark spawn as well fact, because we have corpheus while some say he is not a magister I think he is. I think they were betrayed by the old gods, or were unwitting participants in something they did not quite understand. And what is powerful enough to trap the old gods underground? that is more interesting to me than anything else. I also think that the magisters going into tivinter is widely known knowledge before the andrastian church was founded. Why? if I remember correctly there had already been the first blight, and it was the most devastating, people are desperate for a savior and well andreste filled the roll and she attributed knowledge that was already know widely. Records could have been lost or destroyed during the upheaval and thus no real concrete proof exists anymore in record or not. As for the shaperate we have seen that while mostly accurate can be doctored and something as powerful and secretive as the elder one. I would not be surprised if he has managed to sneak under the radar.
I personally think the Magisters being the original dark spawn as well fact, because we have corpheus while some say he is not a magister I think he is. I think they were betrayed by the old gods, or were unwitting participants in something they did not quite understand. And what is powerful enough to trap the old gods underground? that is more interesting to me than anything else.
There was a theory a few of us were speaking about a day ago. but what if The old gods were the forgotten ones, because in the legend they were locked away in the abyss while the creators were locked away in heaven(or known as the eternal city)
Yeah, I like to think the Forgotten Ones and Old Gods are one in the same. it would make perfect sense since. 2 sets of gods worshipped by 2 different cultures.
Why not the other half of the elven pantheon?
I just find it odd that whenever the elven pantheon are suspected of being the old gods, its always the forgotten ones.
Note we don't know how many of the forgotten ones there were, but there were nine elven gods of their pantheon.
Short of there being two more if we are shooting out theories why couldn't the elven gods be the old gods? Why couldn't that be whom we were obliterating from existence after they were corrupted and cast down by the Maker.
Yeah, I like to think the Forgotten Ones and Old Gods are one in the same. it would make perfect sense since. 2 sets of gods worshipped by 2 different cultures.
Or, perhaps both pantheons exist, all distinct and separate entities?
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