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[raging_monkey]

Yeah, I believe certain conditions (and plot points) must be met. Then there's also a possibility that there are others (chantry seekers, etc) that are nipping his plans at the bud.I know seeker order is has dwindled in the past century and more.

seekers have been known to hunt magi so why not anchient creatutes

[TTTX]

Hmm the we think should form a club lol.

that would make sense. Most magic requires years of practice so the stronger the spell the more time

We'll be BF forever.

 

I'm guessing his first attempt was with the magisters by promise them the power of gods to them which backfired on him obviously. then he had to wait until he could try again.

 

 

Yeah, I believe certain conditions (and plot points) must be met. Then there's also a possibility that there are others (chantry seekers, etc) that are nipping his plans at the bud.

I know seeker order is has dwindled in the past century and more.

So has the Grey Wardens.

 

Although I think one of the reasons the Seekers was failing was because of Lamberts judgment being a bit clouded because of his past which probably made him easy to manipulate unfortunately.

 

 

Yes but that is very minimal manipulation. just because you gave some one technology doesn't mean you are manipulating there culture or personality. just what technology they are using because they are lazy. they didn't manipulate the turians and humans to fight. or anything like that. they just would appear through the citadel and over power every planet with shear force and use indoctrinated spies to find where more people were, or to stop secret plans, that isn't manipulation.  

Perhaps not, but it did change the Galaxy more then once.

 

 

I will be surprised if the Elder One turns out to be half as ancient as some suspect, i figure he is a bit more modern.

 

Maybe even a living thing.

With power on that scale, it's not human, qunari or elf that's for sure.

[raging_monkey]

We'll be BF forever. I'm guessing his first attempt was with the magisters by promise them the power of gods to them which backfired on him obviously. then he had to wait until he could try again.  So has the Grey Wardens. Although I think one of the reasons the Seekers was failing was because of Lamberts judgment being a bit clouded because of his past which probably made him easy to manipulate unfortunately.  Perhaps not, but it did change the Galaxy more then once.  With power on that scale, it's not human, qunari or elf that's for sure.

maybe elf cause qunari magi are hedge magi so the worst they do is "boom" anchient elf magic is tobmy knowledge is unknown and im a lore junkie

[The Ascendant]

This is an entity affecting people either intentionally or subconsciously. Something like suggestion. A Dreamer mage is capable of influencing the dreams of others, even killing them. Remember, mind control doesn't work if the person knows your doing it. The Venatori are obviously following it of their own accord, but other people could have been influenced by it in their dreams.... But only mages are aware in the Fade, and only humans, elves and Qunari can be mages....  the further we look the more questions I have.

[Kieran G.]

We'll be BF forever.

Although I think one of the reasons the Seekers was failing was because of Lamberts judgment being a bit clouded because of his past which probably made him easy to manipulate unfortunately.

Well it was a mistake choosing a Templar to be High Seeker as is.

[Kieran G.]

maybe elf cause qunari magi are hedge magi so the worst they do is "boom" anchient elf magic is tobmy knowledge is unknown and im a lore junkie

 

seekers have been known to hunt magi so why not anchient creatutes

It is pretty unknown, that's why Keeper's must pass it on. because once its gone its gone for good. and that's also the reason why we don't see arcane warriors.

 

And its the seekers job to hunt abominations that come from the circle. and quiet it quickly. 

[raging_monkey]

This is an entity affecting people either intentionally or subconsciously. Something like suggestion. A Dreamer mage is capable of influencing the dreams of others, even killing them. Remember, mind control doesn't work if the person knows your doing it. The Venatori are obviously following it of their own accord, but other people could have been influenced by it in their dreams.... But only mages are aware in the Fade, and only humans, elves and Qunari can be mages....  the further we look the more questions I have.

thats the fun part * manicacal glee face*

[Killdren88]

I can see the Elder One causing the blight through Architect in order to cause the events in DA2 and DA:I.

It works if you consider that the Elder One showed the Architect how to free Darkspawn from the taint from the fade. Through dreams and such mush like how assumed that is how he manipulated other people through the fade of course this required sleep. But now that the veil is torn that is not necessary. The Elder One knew that it would traint and awakens another Arch demon. Thus ushering in a Blight weakening Fereldan for his coming one player out of the way.

[Kieran G.]

It works if you consider that the Elder One showed the Architect how to free Darkspawn from the taint from the fade. Through dreams and such mush like how assumed that is how he manipulated other people through the fade of course this required sleep. But now that the veil is torn that is not necessary. The Elder One knew that it would traint and awakens another Arch demon. Thus ushering in a Blight weakening Fereldan for his coming one player out of the way.

Or he just knew a blight was coming and got loghain to kill half the army and the grey wardens to make sure the country would die.

[raging_monkey]

Can the spawn even dream? But howd he know the blight was near

[myahele]

The taint is interesting. I wish I had the proper dialogue, but in DAO after the warden and Alistair was safe. Flemeth seemed to imply that gray wardens (those with the taint) are somehow beyond her omniscience/ fate cannot be seen.

[Kieran G.]

Can the spawn even dream? But howd he know the blight was near

Well we've seen creatures in the form of darkspawn in the fade. and since they do have magic wielding darkspawn they must be connected to the fade. they are pretty much like the elves from the lord of the rings. some of them became the orcs and their own race. just like how dark spawn were once human, elves, dwarves, qunari. but now are darkspawn.

[raging_monkey]

The can be used like BM, kills people, and corrupts landscape...inyeresting

[Kieran G.]

The can be used like BM, kills people, and corrupts landscape...inyeresting

I think connecting the dark spawn to the elder one might be a stretch. i dont think they are his tool.

[raging_monkey]

I think connecting the dark spawn to the elder one might be a stretch. i dont think they are his tool.

oh i was musing a text to mya thought hehe ignore that.

[Killdren88]

I think connecting the dark spawn to the elder one might be a stretch. i dont think they are his tool.

Not a tool. Just manipulated the Architect by exploiting his desire to see his kind free.

[raging_monkey]

So your theory killd is that have amps peoples desires to extremes? Sounds like a powerful demon of desire.. will she be pretty?. Definatly interesting

[Kieran G.]

Not a tool. Just manipulated the Architect by exploiting his desire to see his kind free.

Personally i think he just controlled the civil wars, i just dont like blaming one creature for everything that happens, that takes away the individuality of other villians. its like if the elder one controlled all of the hero during the time would make me think less of the character and not feel they are much of hero's. just with villains instead. 

 

If he is responsible for every big conflict in thedas in the Dragon age i would be really disapointed because all those villians in lore have now become just shadows of the elder one and have taken away the evil or greatness of them.

Modifié par Kieran G., 15 septembre 2014 - 12:09 .

[Bond]

I believe the three key points to finding out Elder One identity are :

1: Bioware planned the story of Inquisition back when they were in the middle of development of DAO (Laidlaw words). So, the big bad, is probably referenced somewhere in Origins, in some codex info or in between the dialogue lines. The theory of EO being Corypheus is hardly convincing, since the dude does not sound like Elder one the slightest, nor Bioware will show their main antagonist in some DA2 dlc.

2. Sandal's prophecy......almost surely means Elder One comes from the fade ( when he rises everyone will see). He is no Old God, i am sure of this, since Archdemons are not so talkative and i dont think the devs are planning on giving us the same archenemy every game.

3. This is the most key evidence in my mind - "Tell me, where is your maker now, call him, you can not, for he does not exist." This single sentence gives so much info. First off, it shows that the Elder One is completely sure the Maker is a myth, meaning he was inside the Golden/Black city. Maybe he was some ancient Magister who wanted to discover the truth or something. Also, the way the Elder one says the quoted stuff....he sounds frustrated. Like once, he too, believed that Maker existed.

[bazzag]

Just my two cents here, but 'elder' suggests old, and with a release date in november....Santa claws?

[raging_monkey]

I believe the three key points to finding out Elder One identity are :1: Bioware planned the story of Inquisition back when they were in the middle of development of DAO (Laidlaw words). So, the big bad, is probably referenced somewhere in Origins, in some codex info or in between the dialogue lines. The theory of EO being Corypheus is hardly convincing, since the dude does not sound like Elder one the slightest, nor Bioware will show their main antagonist in some DA2 dlc.2. Sandal's prophecy......almost surely means Elder One comes from the fade ( when he rises everyone will see). He is no Old God, i am sure of this, since Archdemons are not so talkative and i dont think the devs are planning on giving us the same archenemy every game.3. This is the most key evidence in my mind - "Tell me, where is your maker now, call him, you can not, for he does not exist." This single sentence gives so much info. First off, it shows that the Elder One is completely sure the Maker is a myth, meaning he was inside the Golden/Black city. Maybe he was some ancient Magister who wanted to discover the truth or something. Also, the way the Elder one says the quoted stuff....he sounds frustrated. Like once, he too, believed that Maker existed.

our ideas often go around something like 3

[Kieran G.]

 

1: Bioware planned the story of Inquisition back when they were in the middle of development of DAO (Laidlaw words). So, the big bad, is probably referenced somewhere in Origins, in some codex info or in between the dialogue lines. The theory of EO being Corypheus is hardly convincing, since the dude does not sound like Elder one the slightest, nor Bioware will show their main antagonist in some DA2 dlc.  

 

2. Sandal's prophecy......almost surely means Elder One comes from the fade ( when he rises everyone will see). He is no Old God, i am sure of this, since Archdemons are not so talkative and i dont think the devs are planning on giving us the same archenemy every game.

 

3. This is the most key evidence in my mind - "Tell me, where is your maker now, call him, you can not, for he does not exist." This single sentence gives so much info. First off, it shows that the Elder One is completely sure the Maker is a myth, meaning he was inside the Golden/Black city. Maybe he was some ancient Magister who wanted to discover the truth or something. Also, the way the Elder one says the quoted stuff....he sounds frustrated. Like once, he too, believed that Maker existed.

This is why i think its Fen'Harel. In legend he was a creator and there home was the Eternal City. so if he locked the creators in there he would know what the city holds so he would know if the maker was there or not. and Fen'Harel has been mentioned in almost every dragon age media. except for i think asunder and Dawn of the Seeker. and maybe the comics but i could be wrong.

 

Edit:I mean why would you mention Fen'Harel in all of these different games and books. He is just a god. why dont they ever talk about the different gods? why do we always get told stories of Fen'Harel and not Edgar'Nan i mean he is the all-father but i can remember off the top of my head conversation about Fen'Harel. but not one about their version of Zues. We hear more of him than we do about the old gods. who we know are real.

[raging_monkey]

This is why i think its Fen'Harel. In legend he was a creator and there home was the Eternal City. so if he locked the creators in there he would know what the city holds so he would know if the maker was there or not. and Fen'Harel has been mentioned in almost every dragon age media. except for i think asunder and Dawn of the Seeker. and maybe the comics but i could be wrong.

wasnt mentioned in the prequel novels.
But i fear if it is fen hareal then the anti-dalish sentiment will rise

[Willowhugger]

The Maker shall slay the False Elvish God!

Fen'harael: *incoherent crazy* I WILL NOT BE BEATEN IN THE NAME OF A FICTICIOUS DEITY WHEN I AM A REAL ONE! *dies*
 

[Kieran G.]

wasnt mentioned in the prequel novels.
But i fear if it is fen hareal then the anti-dalish sentiment will rise

Wasn't he mention in the stolen throne when they were in Gwaren?