Mmm i have a feeling Bioware will do something all their own when it comes to the demise of the elder one, i just hope it fits the gravity of the situation.
Fight i mentioned.
Notice the sigil adorning the cap he is wearing at the beginning of the fight.
It's the Totenkop Death's head emblem of the State Security: The division responsible for overseeing death camps 
Hence why i found it fitting the way he died at the hands of a silver filling taken off a prisoner of such a place.
ment link 3 all those are a mercyWhich one?
ment link 3 all those are a mercy
Well feel free to suggest a worthy punishment.
Ewwwwww the TV series ugh.
Ewwwwww the TV series ugh.
yeah.. its an aquired taste but i needed somethimg til the mext volume at the time lolEwwwwww the TV series ugh.
Not sure if this idea has been posted yet (61 pages is a lot to read), but it just occurred to me.
It would be interesting if the Elder One was one of the Tevinter Mages who got left behind in the Fade, wandering for centuries in the land of dreams. Perhaps he even exiled his brethren from the Golden City, bestowing the curse of the Blight upon them and Thedas, and spending the intervening ages unraveling and mastering the magical secrets held in the Maker's own palace.
Probably not the case, but I think it would make for an interesting villain nonetheless.
Not sure if this idea has been posted yet (61 pages is a lot to read), but it just occurred to me.
It would be interesting if the Elder One was one of the Tevinter Mages who got left behind in the Fade, wandering for centuries in the land of dreams. Perhaps he even exiled his brethren from the Golden City, bestowing the curse of the Blight upon them and Thedas, and spending the intervening ages unraveling and mastering the magical secrets held in the Maker's own palace.
Probably not the case, but I think it would make for an interesting villain nonetheless.
It's just as valid of a Theory as the others that were posted here.
wow 61 pages didnt notice til now thought we were still on 33Not sure if this idea has been posted yet (61 pages is a lot to read), but it just occurred to me. It would be interesting if the Elder One was one of the Tevinter Mages who got left behind in the Fade, wandering for centuries in the land of dreams. Perhaps he even exiled his brethren from the Golden City, bestowing the curse of the Blight upon them and Thedas, and spending the intervening ages unraveling and mastering the magical secrets held in the Maker's own palace. Probably not the case, but I think it would make for an interesting villain nonetheless.
This would either confirm the Maker's existence and assholery, or it would not explain where he got the Dark spawn taint. Both of those would be disappointing in my opinion.Not sure if this idea has been posted yet (61 pages is a lot to read), but it just occurred to me.
It would be interesting if the Elder One was one of the Tevinter Mages who got left behind in the Fade, wandering for centuries in the land of dreams. Perhaps he even exiled his brethren from the Golden City, bestowing the curse of the Blight upon them and Thedas, and spending the intervening ages unraveling and mastering the magical secrets held in the Maker's own palace.
Probably not the case, but I think it would make for an interesting villain nonetheless.
No, they aren't 'just' darkspawn. Are archdemons 'just' darkspawn? No, and the architect and the conductor are both even more than that. They are the original darkspawn, who are sentient and have a soul and can hop bodies when needed.Him being just a Pride Demon doesn't necessarily take much away from how much of a Pride Demon he can be. The Architect and Corypheus are just Darkspawn. Special Darkspawn, but still just Darkspawn.
My guess is; that on some level bioware's been doing "all the religions/lore have some basis of truth to them" kind of deal.
Basically they all seem to have something going on.
Perhaps The Elder One will be something to the exact opposite, something that seems to discredit "all" the various Lore's.
Or maybe its simply that Fade Beast we can release when running around under ground.
And the reason it didn't get up to anything until now was because it was in pieces.
This would either confirm the Maker's existence and assholery, or it would not explain where he got the Dark spawn taint. Both of those would be disappointing in my opinion.
No, they aren't 'just' darkspawn. Are archdemons 'just' darkspawn? No, and the architect and the conductor are both even more than that. They are the original darkspawn, who are sentient and have a soul and can hop bodies when needed.
Which actually begs the question, where did the other darkspawn come from? The original magisterial don't really seem all that subservient to the song, and even if they were, they would be digging, not making more of themselves. So what happened for them to suddenly make more darkspawn? How did they do it and why? Did blood magic no longer work as they expected? Or were they under the archdemons influence and did he (instinctively) know how to make more darkspawn? Or was it the Elder One, in control from the Black City through the tear made by the magisters? A tear that clearly closed sometime after that.
The question then would be, why has he been silent for a millennium, why can he suddenly influence the world again? What happened for this to be possible?
Also, if the story of Flemeth summoning a demon is true, it seems most likely that she is bonded with the Formless One, not that the Elder One is him. This would certainly make Flemeth more than a demon, without making her an Elven god. It would, however, not account for her fondness of the elves.
As for spirits and demons, there is no difference between the two. They both embody destructive emotions of humans. The only difference is that spirits embody inward emotions, while demons embody outward emotions. Nor do spirits seem particularly intelligent enough to actually set up a longterm plan, they are just too single-minded.
It still seems most likely to me that the Elder One is one of the Forgotten Ones from Elven mythology, with Flemeth being one of the Creators. What exactly they are is still up in the air, because they certainly are not real gods, but they are powerful.
Of course they are just Darkspawn. Well, they're a lot of other things too, but then nothing is just anything.
So, to keep "just" being a word that has some meaning, I'll treat it as if it does. The Architect and Conductor are both Darkspawn, and their being special and interesting doesn't change that they are Darkspawn.
Much of the point I was making was that we can't always judge something entirely or dismiss it as uninteresting based on its "species", as something can always be a unique and interesting member of that "species" even if most are a largely homogeneous or mindless sort.
One would scoff at the idea of any Darkspawn making an interesting character if they hadn't known about the Architect or others like him. Yet despite being an exception, he's still "just" a Darkspawn.
The Elder One can be "just" a Demon, yet have an interesting origin and story that makes him a good and unique character compared to other Demons.
never saw any wolf imagery source?
One mention / imagery is in the demo just before Nightingale dispatches the mage's son. Carved duel wolf heads. The mage's dialogue at some point during their interaction-combat touches upon it also.
There are other hints in the content released. Doesn't mean the Dread Wolf is the big bad, though I hope he is present in some form.
Masked Empire and Redemption pull upon this thread.
One mention / imagery is in the demo just before Nightingale dispatches the mage's son. Carved duel wolf heads. The mage's dialogue at some point during their interaction-combat touches upon it also.
There are other hints in the content released. Doesn't mean the Dread Wolf is the big bad, though I hope he is present in some form.
Masked Empire and Redemption pull upon this thread.
If we're talking about the Dread Wolf, wouldn't he be both on our side and on the Elder One's?
I don't believe he would ever deign to just be so straightforward to only be the villain.
seripusly the anti elf sentment gonna soarOne mention / imagery is in the demo just before Nightingale dispatches the mage's son. Carved duel wolf heads. The mage's dialogue at some point during their interaction-combat touches upon it also. There are other hints in the content released. Doesn't mean the Dread Wolf is the big bad, though I hope he is present in some form. Masked Empire and Redemption pull upon this thread.
seripusly the anti elf sentment gonna soar
I'm creating a female Elf regardless .. with asymettrical facial damage and Fen'Harel Vallaslin - Two parts Lagertha, One part Monza Murcatto, One part Cate Blanchett.
Class tbd by what has the most variety and is the most entertaining in combat.
i was being witty hehe sides long as you have fun rightI'm creating a female Elf regardless .. with asymettrical facial damage and Fen'Harel Vallaslin - Two parts Lagertha, One part Monza Murcatto, One part Cate Blanchett. Class tbd by what has the most variety and is the most entertaining in combat.
Because it does involve some minor spoilers from the novel Last Flight or rather it been mentioned in the last flight thread this will be in Spoiler tags.
Spoiler
well he's said to be arrogant... whats more arrogant than a teveniter magister thats touched face of the makerThis, combined with DAII's Legacy DLC, would actually hint towards the Elder One being one of the ancient magisters of Tevinter. If Corypheus could manipulate wardens despite being sealed in stasis ever since he got back from his trip to the golden city and having no idea what the blight, much less the grey wardens are, imagine what a magister who does know about this would have been able to accomplish.
well he's said to be arrogant... whats more arrogant than a teveniter magister thats touched face of the maker
Or in this case tricked into going into the fade and go to the Black city.
and of he somehow was able to stay in tge fade trapped.... any proper mage would seek that knowledge and to some extent become omnipotent... creating a god complex.Or in this case tricked into going into the fade and go to the Black city.
I don't know. Another Tevintir Magister seems predictable in my eyes.
I don't know. Another Tevintir Magister seems predictable in my eyes.
it does but using a elvish god that that says the maker doesnt exist kinda makes BW seem like they are backpedalling their "wont confirm/deny" stance on the maker lolI don't know. Another Tevintir Magister seems predictable in my eyes.
it does but using a elvish god that that says the maker doesnt exist kinda makes BW seem like they are backpedalling their "wont confirm/deny" stance on the maker lol
BW isn't above recons and lying for that matter.
Elder One = Ancient Elven Dreamer
I think there's a chance that Eleni Zinovia and Sandal's prophecies are going to come into play here.
Especially since she mentions that the prison is breached in Awakening.
I actually believe the prison might have been the Eluvians - and Morrigan opened it.
I think there's a chance Morrigan knows what stupid thing she did... and is now working to rectify it. Potentially even putting her into an alliance with her mother.
I also think that Felassan was talking to the Elder One - who is an elven dreamer - and when he says, of Briala, right before being offed: "Doesn't she remind you of..." That, given her status as a young nobody who is striving to free her people from oppression. That he meant Andraste.
Given our potential title as "Herald of Andraste" - I think we're going to find her to be a Dreamer as well. I think we'll find that the two of them are at odds. (I mean that in the slightly less obvious sense of: "They both still metaphysically exist and oppose each other.")
I stated before that I think - since we're told we're a mistake that should have never happened. We're Andraste's gambit to prevent the Elder One from succeeding.
Anyway - just compiling my musings about DA:I - curious to see how way off track I am.
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