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[raging_monkey]

BW isn't above recons and lying for that matter.

its also my understandingb DG loves our tears lol. Love that guy

Elder One = Ancient Elven Dreamer I think there's a chance that Eleni Zinovia and Sandal's prophecies are going to come into play here.  Especially since she mentions that the prison is breached in Awakening.  I actually believe the prison might have been the Eluvians - and Morrigan opened it. I think there's a chance Morrigan knows what stupid thing she did... and is now working to rectify it. Potentially even putting her into an alliance with her mother. I also think that Felassan was talking to the Elder One - who is an elven dreamer - and when he says, of Briala, right before being offed: "Doesn't she remind you of..."   That, given her status as a young nobody who is striving to free her people from oppression.  That he meant Andraste. Given our potential title as "Herald of Andraste"  - I think we're going to find her to be a Dreamer as well.  I think we'll find that the two of them are at odds.  (I mean that in the slightly less obvious sense of:  "They both still metaphysically exist and oppose each other.") I stated before that I think - since we're told we're a mistake that should have never happened.  We're Andraste's gambit to prevent the Elder One from succeeding.  Anyway - just compiling my musings about DA:I - curious to see how way off track I am.

i believe sandals and zinovias prophs do come into play also. Oh and alexius says we are a mistake. And andraste is believed to be a powerful mage in tevinter chantry so anythingbis possible

[TTTX]

its also my understandingb DG loves our tears lol. Love that guy
i believe sandals and zinovias prophs do come into play also. Oh and alexius says we are a mistake. And andraste is believed to be a powerful mage in tevinter chantry so anythingbis possible

So have heard, at least he isn't like Walters.

 

I'm pretty sure Andraste was a mage (I can't prove it, but it wouldn't surprise me) and I wonder what the chantry would think if it was confirmed and publicizes to the public that the Chantry religion based on the words of a mage.  

[Kieran G.]

it does but using a elvish god that that says the maker doesnt exist kinda makes BW seem like they are backpedalling their "wont confirm/deny" stance on the maker lol

We really are looking to deep into the whole "call out your maker for he does not exist." we hear that from villians all the time. it doesn't mean the god does or doesn't exist. He could easily just be trying to get into your head.

 

I just think we are looking too deep into that line, i think he is just trying to be scary. Like how can you have faith when he never shows himself, but accept me as your god because i'm in front of you!

[raging_monkey]

So have heard, at least he isn't like Walters. I'm pretty sure Andraste was a mage (I can't prove it, but it wouldn't surprise me) and I wonder what the chantry would think if it was confirmed and publicizes to the public that the Chantry religion based on the words of a mage.

yeah..tried too hard...
OT: the anti magi fans would burn the forums down lmao so many outcomes most bad

[Kieran G.]

yeah..tried too hard...
OT: the anti magi fans would burn the forums down lmao so many outcomes most bad

Well wouldn't the chantry get even a bigger boost to the circles. since their mage prophet says "magic should serve man not rule over him." seems like it would work in favor of the circles

[raging_monkey]

We really are looking to deep into the whole "call out your maker for he does not exist." we hear that from villians all the time. it doesn't mean the god does or doesn't exist. He could easily just be trying to get into your head. I just think we are looking too deep into that line, i think he is just trying to be scary. Like how can you have faith when he never shows himself, but accept me as your god because i'm in front of you!

true but hey its nice to scam lore hahaha

[raging_monkey]

Well wouldn't the chantry get even a bigger boost to the circles. since their mage prophet says "magic should serve man not rule over him." seems like it would work in favor of the circles

if thats the case pro mage freedom fans will still roar. My point was its going to cause a forum fire that will never go out lol

[Dusksworn]

So have heard, at least he isn't like Walters.

 

I'm pretty sure Andraste was a mage (I can't prove it, but it wouldn't surprise me) and I wonder what the chantry would think if it was confirmed and publicizes to the public that the Chantry religion based on the words of a mage.  

If it was confirmed a few of them might need to adjust their prejudices a bit, but it wouldn't change what Andraste herself said about magic nor does it mean she was not a Prophet of the Maker. In short, it would mean very little to those people who weren't frothing at their mouths to hate Mages, and that really doesn't describe the majority of the Chantry who are simply convinced that Mages are very dangerous to both themselves and others. Which they are.

 

Anyhow, on an almost unrelated note, but still sort of related since we've been discussing magic, the Maker, Spirits, and the Veil, I just read in the World of Thedas that the Chantry considers Lyrium's song to be the Voice of the Maker.

 

Now, I wonder... What does that make Red Lyrium to them?

 

On another note, the Chantry also makes it sound like the Maker is "anatomically" much the same as the Spirits, which he made to be just like him but lacked a certain "spark". That got be wondering if maybe there could be such a thing as a Spirit of Creativity, which of course would want to create beings of with creativity if none others were around....

 

But I digress, we were talking about appropriate deaths for exceptionally arrogant entities? At some point we were, yes.

 

Well, arrogance is one thing that usually sabotages itself. The Elder One will probably end up being responsible for empowering the Inquisitor when he struck at the Lyrium-infused Temple of Andraste's Ashes and likely detonated all of the Lyrium there and released the power inside, the power that was imprinted with the Faith of Andraste's followers and likely picked up some residue from her Ashes as well. This released power is probably what found the Inquisitor and gave him the power he would need to defeat the Elder One.

[Medhia_Nox]

The thing is... if Andraste is a mage, it actually doesn't change anything for the devout.  In FACT, that she was a mage who believed in the Maker might speak more about how mages might change in the future (certainly not the people who hate the Chantry on the BSN - I'm talking relevant mages in the storyline of Thedas). 

 

The Chant itself - says nothing about magic being evil (it talks about maleficar being evil I believe).  

 

The facts we know - if the player plays a mage, then Andraste has sanctioned a mage to lead the people out of darkness.  That already speaks volumes about a change in the Chantry. 

 

Change is coming - it's just not going to be the "mages rule everything" dream that has been birthed out of outrage on the BSN.

[raging_monkey]

If it was confirmed a few of them might need to adjust their prejudices a bit, but it wouldn't change what Andraste herself said about magic nor does it mean she was not a Prophet of the Maker. In short, it would mean very little to those people who weren't frothing at their mouths to hate Mages, and that really doesn't describe the majority of the Chantry who are simply convinced that Mages are very dangerous to both themselves and others. Which they are. Anyhow, on an almost unrelated note, but still sort of related since we've been discussing magic, the Maker, Spirits, and the Veil, I just read in the World of Thedas that the Chantry considers Lyrium's song to be the Voice of the Maker. Now, I wonder... What does that make Red Lyrium to them? On another note, the Chantry also makes it sound like the Maker is "anatomically" much the same as the Spirits, which he made to be just like him but lacked a certain "spark". That got be wondering if maybe there could be such a thing as a Spirit of Creativity, which of course would want to create beings of with creativity if none others were around.... But I digress, we were talking about appropriate deaths for exceptionally arrogant entities? At some point we were, yes. Well, arrogance is one thing that usually sabotages itself. The Elder One will probably end up being responsible for empowering the Inquisitor when he struck at the Lyrium-infused Temple of Andraste's Ashes and likely detonated all of the Lyrium there and released the power inside, the power that was imprinted with the Faith of Andraste's followers and likely picked up some residue from her Ashes as well. This released power is probably what found the Inquisitor and gave him the power he would need to defeat the Elder One.

since red lyrium is still unkown they would most likly consider it the voicebof demons(satan if you would like) and a spirit of creation sounds feaseable

The thing is... if Andraste is a mage, it actually doesn't change anything for the devout.  In FACT, that she was a mage who believed in the Maker might speak more about how mages might change in the future (certainly not the people who hate the Chantry on the BSN - I'm talking relevant mages in the storyline of Thedas).  The Chant itself - says nothing about magic being evil (it talks about maleficar being evil I believe).   The facts we know - if the player plays a mage, then Andraste has sanctioned a mage to lead the people out of darkness.  That already speaks volumes about a change in the Chantry.  Change is coming - it's just not going to be the "mages rule everything" dream that has been birthed out of outrage on the BSN.

fan outrage will still huge lol my friend but we may be off topic a bit

[Medhia_Nox]

@monkey:  Are you suggesting they may rage... rage like... monkeys?

GLORIOUS

[raging_monkey]

@monkey:  Are you suggesting they may rage... rage like... monkeys?GLORIOUS

yes i will rage.... just for you lol

[Master Warder Z_]

I'd expect the Elder one to be struck down by a seemingly random act that can be interpreted as the intervention of a Divine being.

 

He dismissed the existence of the Maker and then possibly gets killed by him.

 

Aka random lightning bolt or something.

[Dusksworn]

I'd expect the Elder one to be struck down by a seemingly random act that can be interpreted as the intervention of a Divine being.

 

He dismissed the existence of the Maker and then possibly gets killed by him.

 

Aka random lightning bolt or something.

Nah.

 

Or maybe yes...

 

But I think the "Herald of Andraste", who he likely accidentally created himself by assaulting the Chantry peace meeting at their most sacred of places, is going to be a large part of how his arrogance shall prove to be his downfall.

 

Because of his actions and how he struck at that sacred place, he inadvertently caused a chain reaction which produced his own nemesis. Maybe a miracle will slay him, but it's likely going to be something he caused to happen that backfires on him in the end.

 

However, it will backfire upon him in such an odd manner that some people will swear the Maker must have done something, while others will just say something really unusual happened but it could be explained another way.

[Master Warder Z_]

But I think the "Herald of Andraste", who he likely accidentally created himself by assaulting the Chantry peace meeting at their most sacred of places, is going to be a large part of how his arrogance shall prove to be his downfall.

 

I personally think the PC might wound him only for him to die at other hands, it wouldn't be the first time Bioware did such a thing.

 

Recall Admiral Karath or The Emperor.

 

I just happen to think the other hands might be interpreted as a possible Divine intervention.

[thats1evildude]

An interesting thing I noticed yesterday while running through the Dark Epiphany quest in DA2 is that the "bandits" attempting to stop the First Warden from receiving Avernus' message is that they seem to be working in concert with a pack of giant spiders. This could be coincidence, but I do note there's a bit of a "spider" theme among the Elder One's servants, like the fear demon.

 

[Dusksworn]

I personally think the PC might wound him only for him to die at other hands, it wouldn't be the first time Bioware did such a thing.

 

Recall Admiral Karath or The Emperor.

 

I just happen to think the other hands might be interpreted as a possible Divine intervention.

Obviously your hand will explode and release bunch of spirits that will murderize him! Or something will have been growing inside you, absorbing the power from all of those Fade Rifts you closed and will confront him in the end.

 

Or something. I don't think it'll be a simple Lightning Bolt, but I expect there to be a very impressive something that kills him. More than a sword to the face.

[Kieran G.]

An interesting thing I noticed yesterday while running through the Dark Epiphany quest in DA2 is that the "bandits" attempting to stop the First Warden from receiving Avernus' message is that they seem to be working in concert with a pack of giant spiders. This could be coincidence, but I do note there's a bit of a "spider" theme among the Elder One's servants, like the fear demon.

 

I think it might be a coincidence. the game was known for reusing things... 

[Master Warder Z_]

Obviously your hand will explode and release bunch of spirits that will murderize him! 

 

*Cough Hellsing Cough*

[raging_monkey]

An interesting thing I noticed yesterday while running through the Dark Epiphany quest in DA2 is that the "bandits" attempting to stop the First Warden from receiving Avernus' message is that they seem to be working in concert with a pack of giant spiders. This could be coincidence, but I do note there's a bit of a "spider" theme among the Elder One's servants, like the fear demon. 

why would he care about wardens...

[Keroko]

I don't know. Another Tevintir  Magister seems predictable in my eyes.

I don't know if I'd call that 'another.' So far we've only had to fight Tevinter magisters as side-quests or a DLC. They've never been a serious threat in the games, outside of Legacy.

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't know if I'd call that 'another.' So far we've only had to fight Tevinter magisters as side-quests or a DLC. They've never been a serious threat in the games, outside of Legacy.

 

There was the one in the main quest of Origins, but his fight was optional

[raging_monkey]

There was the one in the main quest of Origins, but his fight was optional

i assumed calidrius was just a slaver mage recognized but not yet a magister...

[Master Warder Z_]

i assumed calidrius was just a slaver mage recognized but not yet a magister...

 

He's listed under the wiki as a Magister, and it has a citation for him so i'd assume he was one.

[raging_monkey]

He's listed under the wiki as a Magister, and it has a citation for him so i'd assume he was one.

ah tevinter politics confound me.
Anywho im curious about the inq's hand and its relation to the breach/elder one... seems convient