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[Kieran G.]

Around 1300 years if I recall correctly. since he was around during the First Blight. And if the City was already tainted, It does ad to some possibility that the Black City was the Elder One's Prisons. The taint I think, was a security measure used to Keep the Elder One from escaping and once they opened the Black City, the Magisters took the taint into themselves, allowing The Elder One escaped and went dormant, gathering his strength for his coming...Then again I'm mostly promoting my theory here, so I could be totally wrong...

Maybe we are think about the elder one as this super powerful all knowing god. maybe he isn't so special. yes we know he is something incredibly powerful. earth shattering even. but do we think he is truly that of a god? i'm even talking about my Fen'Harel theory. do we really think he is that special? or are we looking too much into this. it just makes me wonder

[Killdren88]

Maybe we are think about the elder one as this super powerful all knowing god. maybe he isn't so special. yes we know he is something incredibly powerful. earth shattering even. but do we think he is truly that of a god? i'm even talking about my Fen'Harel theory. do we really think he is that special? or are we looking too much into this. it just makes me wonder

 

We are aware he is an extremely powerful entity. Plus he is arrogant. HE thinks he is a God. He thinks he is special. And since The Inquisitor can't meta like we can he/she can only assume he tells the truth until he/she learns more.

[Kieran G.]

We are aware he is an extremely powerful entity. Plus he is arrogant. HE thinks he is a God. He thinks he is special. And since The Inquisitor can't meta like we can he/she can only assume he tells the truth until he/she learns more.

true.

[Fhaerris]

We are aware he is an extremely powerful entity. Plus he is arrogant. HE thinks he is a God. He thinks he is special. And since The Inquisitor can't meta like we can he/she can only assume he tells the truth until he/she learns more.

 

Another idea:

What if the Elder One is the 'former' Black Divine of the Tevinter Chantry?

As part of the head of the Tevinter Imperium and mage society he (presumably a he in opposition to the Chantry of Andraste with their female leads) should have enough resources and knowledge to tear the veil. As Tevinter Magisters strive to surpass everyone else and the Black Divine is supposed to be one of the strongest of them, I could clearly picture him to be arrogant enough to reach for godhood.

 

And how to establish the power of the Imperium better by killing the strongest factions - the leaders of the Chantry of Andraste and presumably the highest ranking mages outside the Imperium?

 

I know that by creating the breach he also harms part of Tevinter but maybe it's all part of a bigger scheme we just don't know yet?

[Kieran G.]

Another idea:

What if the Elder One is the 'former' Black Divine of the Tevinter Chantry?

As part of the head of the Tevinter Imperium and mage society he (presumably a he in opposition to the Chantry of Andraste with their female leads) should have enough resources and knowledge to tear the veil. As Tevinter Magisters strive to surpass everyone else and the Black Divine is supposed to be one of the strongest of them, I could clearly picture him to be arrogant enough to reach for godhood.

 

And how to establish the power of the Imperium better by killing the strongest factions - the leaders of the Chantry of Andraste and presumably the highest ranking mages outside the Imperium?

 

I know that by creating the breach he also harms part of Tevinter but maybe it's all part of a bigger scheme we just don't know yet?

But the black divine believes in the maker. they just have different feelings about andraste's and the makes words about mage's. and she isn't opposite to andraste since the imperium chantry still thinks she is a prophet. they just worship the maker, not her.

 

Also the only mage's who in history we know who have been able to physically tear the veil so they can enter and leave is the magister taught by dumat. and since we haven't heard of any other mage's doing this feat i think we can assume that knowledge is lost. 

 

And ok. the venatori are tevinter so that could be a nod to your theory. but if he is just looking to be the most powerful mage alive. whats the point to rip the veil to make thedas and the fade one? is it to test his skill or learn something more? or does he want to take over the world?

 

P.S i'm not saying your theory is wrong. i just want to see what points you can bring up to defend it.

[Fhaerris]

But the black divine believes in the maker. they just have different feelings about andraste's and the makes words about mage's. and she isn't opposite to andraste since the imperium chantry still thinks she is a prophet. they just worship the maker, not her.

It was meant in opposition to his female counter part - the Divine - in Orlais.

 

And ok. the venatori are tevinter so that could be a nod to your theory. but if he is just looking to be the most powerful mage alive. whats the point to rip the veil to make thedas and the fade one? is it to test his skill or learn something more? or does he want to take over the world?

Common chantry word is that the Maker has turned his gaze away from his creation - maybe the Black Divine wants to draw out the Maker by taking drastic measures and challenges him by saying: "Where is your Maker now?". If he does not react he strives to become a god himself in the course of DAI because he hopes to find the Maker by making himself an equal. One way to look for the Maker would be to draw the Black City out of the spirit realm into the real world - or by merging both into one realm.

Since Tevinter Society is accustomed in dealing with spirits, they would have taken some precautions before the breach. Tevinter would not be damaged as one might think. I believe they see it as another opportunity to gain more knowledge and power to - among other things - defeat the Qunari threat once and for all.

It could also have happened in secret, then it would be quite disastrous for Tevinter too, but who knows what drives the Divine - excessive and maybe frustrated believe in the Maker or just the bid for power or both?

 

Also the only mage's who in history we know who have been able to physically tear the veil so they can enter and leave is the magister taught by dumat. and since we haven't heard of any other mage's doing this feat i think we can assume that knowledge is lost.

Since Legacy DLC with Corypheus we have at least one former magister who could be able to recreate the ritual to tear the veil. As he is from Tevinter himself I could well imagine him to return in some way to his home and reconnect to the seat of power. He could help but he would no doubt follow his own intentions.

[Keroko]

But the black divine believes in the maker. they just have different feelings about andraste's and the makes words about mage's. and she isn't opposite to andraste since the imperium chantry still thinks she is a prophet. they just worship the maker, not her.
 
Also the only mage's who in history we know who have been able to physically tear the veil so they can enter and leave is the magister taught by dumat. and since we haven't heard of any other mage's doing this feat i think we can assume that knowledge is lost. 
 
And ok. the venatori are tevinter so that could be a nod to your theory. but if he is just looking to be the most powerful mage alive. whats the point to rip the veil to make thedas and the fade one? is it to test his skill or learn something more? or does he want to take over the world?
 
P.S i'm not saying your theory is wrong. i just want to see what points you can bring up to defend it.

Powerful mages can manipulate the fade, making the fade and thedas one essentially makes those mages the default rulers of the world, as they can shape the world as they see fit.

[raging_monkey]

Powerful mages can manipulate the fade, making the fade and thedas one essentially makes those mages the default rulers of the world, as they can shape the world as they see fit.

only dreamers can do that and we've only seen 3 maybe 4 if we count solas.

[Keroko]

only dreamers can do that and we've only seen 3 maybe 4 if we count solas.

Putting aside that one, a few or perhaps even all of the of the ancient magisters might very well have been dreamers, Dragon Age: Until We Sleep showed that there are alternatives to being born a dreamer.

[raging_monkey]

Putting aside that one, a few or perhaps even all of the of the ancient magisters might very well have been dreamers, Dragon Age: Until We Sleep showed that there are alternatives to being born a dreamer.

true

[Dusksworn]

Putting aside that one, a few or perhaps even all of the of the ancient magisters might very well have been dreamers, Dragon Age: Until We Sleep showed that there are alternatives to being born a dreamer.

I believe World of Thedas said that the rulers of Ancient Tevinter were indeed Dreamers.

[Kieran G.]

I believe World of Thedas said that the rulers of Ancient Tevinter were indeed Dreamers.

I believe it did too. and i believe the most powerful magister are still dreamers. but dreamers are rare. we just happen to see them because we are the pc or reading stories where we meet one.

 

Also i want to see a grey warden dreamer.

[raging_monkey]

I believe it did too. and i believe the most powerful magister are still dreamers. but dreamers are rare. we just happen to see them because we are the pc or reading stories where we meet one. Also i want to see a grey warden dreamer.

it would be nice if the mage pcs are dteamers just to give context

[Kieran G.]

it would be nice if the mage pcs are dteamers just to give context

I don't think we will see it this game. and it doesn't really make it fair for the warrior or rogue.

[lordsaren101]

Well based upon the green powers that the inquisitors gain, it could be written into a warrior/rogue story...but I agree that a Somniarius PC will not happen in DAI

[raging_monkey]

Well based upon the green powers that the inquisitors gain, it could be written into a warrior/rogue story...but I agree that a Somniarius PC will not happen in DAI

one can hope haha

[Killdren88]

It is wrong to hope when we encounter The Elder One he curb stomps us the first time we meet him?

[Kieran G.]

It is wrong to hope when we encounter The Elder One he curb stomps us the first time we meet him?

I hope he does. tbh i want that feeling of stress and dread playing the game. before the ending of me3 i loved how it made me feel. like what we were doing is futile. i hope they do that too.

[Killdren88]

I hope he does. tbh i want that feeling of stress and dread playing the game. before the ending of me3 i loved how it made me feel. like what we were doing is futile. i hope they do that too.

 

The image of the Inquisitor's blade being catched by the Elder One's hand and then being broken in two is simply amazing. I want us to have to replace all of our armor and weapons after out first encounter. Either that or something akin to Batman's First encounter with Bane.

[raging_monkey]

The image of the Inquisitor's blade being catched by the Elder One's hand and then being broken in two is simply amazing. I want us to have to replace all of our armor and weapons after out first encounter. Either that or something akin to Batman's First encounter with Bane.

i want my inq to be broken, bloodied and made to feel like less an a ant

[Killdren88]

i want my inq to be broken, bloodied and made to feel like less an a ant

Bane quotes incoming.

 

"Ah yes! I was wondering what would break first! Your spirit....or your body!"

 

"Ahh..you think magic is your ally...You merely adopted magic...I was born in it..molded by it. I did not see the mortal realm until now and it has been nothing to me but BLINDING."

[Medhia_Nox]

I still can't get past the feeling there is either 1) A dream sequence where the Elder One wins. or 2) Time travel involving escaping the Elder One's victory.  o

 

Or something...

 

When the Inquisitor meets his doppleganger in the Enemy of Thedas trailer he says:  "More pain this time, the Elder One still comes." 

Perhaps it's after you defeat the Venatori... and the Elder One isn't stopped by that or something. 

 

Just something about the "More pain this time..."  When was the "last time"?

[Dusksworn]

I believe it did too. and i believe the most powerful magister are still dreamers. but dreamers are rare. we just happen to see them because we are the pc or reading stories where we meet one.

 

Also i want to see a grey warden dreamer.

Oh, that would be nice.

 

Now, if we're still sort of talking about the Maker, the City, and maybe other things...

 

World of Thedas also revealed that it was Andraste who told everyone that the Archdemons were the Old Gods, and that's how she managed to turn so many people away from their worship and to the Maker.

 

That there indicates very clearly that this was not widely known. No one knew this, though now even the Darkspawn agree that it's the Old Gods.

 

In short, Andraste was right about something that simply wasn't known before she told everyone. As a barbarian girl, there's no way she would even have access to the knowledge she would need to piece such a thing together.

 

One day she was just a good singer in some barbarian tribe, and the next she was revealing secrets that not even the Tevinter really knew.

 

As such, I think it would be underestimating her to assume she was just some random woman who managed to lead a rebellion against the Tevinter.

 

Sometimes I wonder if maybe the Temple of the Ashes is so Lyrium infused because of her Ashes being there. The Maker was supposed to watch over her after all, and Lyrium is supposed to carry the "Voice of the Maker" in it... I've often considered that maybe Andraste, through her singing, had some unprecedented power over Magic that no one else has been able to emulate.

 

Every magical substance in Thedas sings if you know how to listen to it. Lyrium, red and blue, sings. The Old Gods sing. The Taint sings. Power sings.

 

Andraste was famous for her singing, and that is how she supposedly got the Maker's attention, and Andraste was apparently backed up by convincing miracles. Really, I think she may have discovered a previously unknown form of wielding magic, and this new form of magic maybe allowed her to understand Lyrium's song in a way no other person has.

 

The Chantry says Andraste heard the Voice of the Maker, and if the Voice of the Maker and the Lyrium are one and the same... Well, maybe Andraste could speak to Lyrium. Maybe she was a "Lyrium-Singer", or some such thing, and through that she was able to learn what the Lyrium "knew".

 

What does this have to do with the Elder One?

 

I have no idea. It may have something to do with his defeat, because by so casually dismissing Andraste and her Maker he may have overlooked something unique about the Lyrium surrounding her final resting place, and by so doing so released something that found its way to the Inquisitor.

 

What this means for Red Lyrium, I can't tell. It was used as a religious Idol by those Dwarves, so... ?

 

All we really know here is that the Elder One seems decidedly Anti-Maker, as his first strike where he showed his hand was when he blew up Chantry leadership at their most sacred of places.

[Hellion Rex]

When the Inquisitor meets his doppleganger in the Enemy of Thedas trailer he says:  "More pain this time, the Elder One still comes." 

Perhaps it's after you defeat the Venatori... and the Elder One isn't stopped by that or something. 

 

Just something about the "More pain this time..."  When was the "last time"?

...perhaps the use of our fade sealing powers sometimes brings pain?

 

And the way the the doppleganger speaks, I got the sense too that it was after what we think is a major victory, but that doppleganger is there to tell us that it didn't do a damn thing in the long run.

 

As for what it is, I'm assuming that it's a manifestation of our powers within our subconscious?