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[raging_monkey]

Im curious if all races had magic... if so what would happen if it came back how would the world react... everyone would be in circles, most curious

[Kieran G.]

i thouggt javik was a **** so this explains it but i see what you mean. I wonder what tjedas was like before the veil imagine the knowledge lost

well the chantry says thedas was created with the veil. first the fade then the planet and with the planet came the veil to keep them separate so it could be there was never a time without the veil.

[raging_monkey]

well the chantry says thedas was created with the veil. first the fade then the planet and with the planet came the veil to keep them separate so it could be there was never a time without the veil.

yavanna (flemeths daughter aside from morrigan) claims otherwise. And call me foolish but believe her

[myahele]

There's a patron near Varrics suite that says there are more mages now than there were during his mother's time. And he thinks its due to the lyrium in the water. I don't think lyrium as anything to do with it

It's something offhand and easy to ignore, but it just kinda stuck with me due to hearing it 100 times, lol. I don't know why but it almost sounded like forshadowing and that was before inquisition was announced and before I made this acct.

[raging_monkey]

There's a patron near Varrics suite that says there are more mages now than there were during his mother's time. And he thinks its due to the lyrium in the water. I don't think lyrium as anything to do with itIt's something offhand and easy to ignore, but it just kinda stuck with me due to hearing it 100 times, lol. I don't know why but it almost sounded like forshadowing and that was before inquisition was announced and before I made this acct.

oh that was joke refering to the conspiricay that drug companies are supplementing our food and water with mind numbing chems

OT: actually yeah a lot of minor things seem like they have a connection

[Kieran G.]

yavanna (flemeths daughter aside from morrigan) claims otherwise. And call me foolish but believe her

I know who yavanna is. i wouldn't be surprised she is possessed by flemeth who escaped from hawke.

[Dusksworn]

well the chantry says thedas was created with the veil. first the fade then the planet and with the planet came the veil to keep them separate so it could be there was never a time without the veil.

I assume Thedas would just be another section of the Fade without the Veil in place.

[raging_monkey]

I know who yavanna is. i wouldn't be surprised she is possessed by flemeth who escaped from hawke.

oh i know it was to help those who haveny read the comic its a fair buy if you dont mind adjusting. And that possible but i try not to understand flemeth its like looking at truth covered in lies lol

[Kieran G.]

I assume Thedas would just be another section of the Fade without the Veil in place.

I believe they are two completely separate worlds. that just happen to have a connection. i think there was never a time. and even if there was its doesn't matter. we know we are closing the veil to make sure it stays 2 realities. but i think the fade is more like a parasite, that needs us to exist. yes we need it for magic. but dwarves are proof you don't need dreams to live. but the creatures in the food are crazy about us. and the fade itself shifts and changes for us. If anything i would believe the elder one is trying to make the fade and thedas one because he is jealous like all the rest of the demons and spirits

[myahele]

Thedas is physical and static while the Fade is constantly shifting. Spirits and demons can shape the Fade how they see fit, but lack the creativity. While people are creative, but lack the ability change.

A mage is a being that has creativity and the power to alter his surrounding the best of both worlds. It certainly seems like beings of the Fade have alot more to gain

[raging_monkey]

Idk if the fade is a parasite but thedas needs it just it needs us both get something from the other mortals magic and spirits get a glimpse of life. Should they be separate yes only time will tell. Maker i love this thread

[Kieran G.]

Thedas is physical and static while the Fade is constantly shifting. Spirits and demons can shape the Fade how they see fit, but lack the creativity. While people are creative, but lack the ability change.

A mage is a being that has creativity and the power to alter his surrounding the best of both worlds. It certainly seems like beings of the Fade have alot more to gain

Who said demons and spirits shape it? the only thing i've ever heard is some demons are powerful enough to consume each other and the fade is shaped by the dreams of mortals. and the fade takes shape from our memories and dreams. and we can see this with glimpses of the world inside of the fade. we have never seen a castle created by a demon in the fade but we have seen many created by mortals.

 

Idk if the fade is a parasite but thedas needs it just it needs us both get something from the other mortals magic and spirits get a glimpse of life. Should they be separate yes only time will tell. Maker i love this thread

And what does thedas need with the fade? does the world need magic? if anything our PC have proved that you can get things done without magic. and many grand evils come from the fade/dreams. so wouldn't it be better to be without it all together

 

Because of the fade and magic we have the blight.

The loss of Arlathans.

Red Lyriums

Abominations all the time

Blood magic.

I have not seen one thing that gives reason that thedas needs the fade,

[raging_monkey]

Who said demons and spirits shape it? the only thing i've ever heard is some demons are powerful enough to consume each other and the fade is shaped by the dreams of mortals. and the fade takes shape from our memories and dreams. and we can see this with glimpses of the world inside of the fade. we have never seen a castle created by a demon in the fade but we have seen many created by mortals. And what does thedas need with the fade? does the world need magic? if anything our PC have proved that you can get things done without magic. and many grand evils come from the fade/dreams. so wouldn't it be better to be without it all together Because of the fade and magic we have the blight.The loss of Arlathans.Red LyriumsAbominations all the timeBlood magic.I have not seen one thing that gives reason that thedas needs the fade,

its part of nature with thedas i agree some extent its dangerous but so is a warlord with a hard on (that was joke lol ). We should tread lightly we are getting close to a MT debate which im down for but id rather not get our thread filled with semantics.

[Dusksworn]

Who said demons and spirits shape it? the only thing i've ever heard is some demons are powerful enough to consume each other and the fade is shaped by the dreams of mortals. and the fade takes shape from our memories and dreams. and we can see this with glimpses of the world inside of the fade. we have never seen a castle created by a demon in the fade but we have seen many created by mortals.

Who said?

 

Everyone says that Demons and Spirits shape the Fade, trying to emulate those things they sense from mortal minds even if they don't entirely understand what they're copying. That's why we see Mortal built castles in the Fade. Demons and Spirits aren't very creative, but they're decent enough at emulating things. Sometimes.

[Kieran G.]

Who said?

 

Everyone says that Demons and Spirits shape the Fade, trying to emulate those things they sense from mortal minds even if they don't entirely understand what they're copying. That's why we see Mortal built castles in the Fade. Demons and Spirits aren't very creative, but they're decent enough at emulating things. Sometimes.

They don't say Demons and spirits shape the fade. they say they mimic human emotions because of jealousy and that Mortals in their dreams shape the fade. they have never said demons have control over the fade. we know this because the demons fight amongst each other to try to get power, they don't created giant islands to have a throne on. the dreamers do that, we have not once seens a demon create anything in the fade. even in the DA:O when they are in the circle. the sloth demon reused our pc nightmeres, and memory to put us in. and the islands became those things because we were dreaming. he didn't make those castles. our PC and companions made all those worlds, the demons just hung out there.

 

Thats not shaping the fade. the mortals are doing that.

[Dusksworn]

They don't say Demons and spirits shape the fade. they say they mimic human emotions because of jealousy and that Mortals in their dreams shape the fade. they have never said demons have control over the fade. we know this because the demons fight amongst each other to try to get power, they don't created giant islands to have a throne on. the dreamers do that, we have not once seens a demon create anything in the fade. even in the DA:O when they are in the circle. the sloth demon reused our pc nightmeres, and memory to put us in. and the islands became those things because we were dreaming. he didn't make those castles. our PC and companions made all those worlds, the demons just hung out there.

 

Thats not shaping the fade. the mortals are doing that.

http://dragonage.wik...entry:_The_Fade

http://dragonage.wik...rits_and_Demons

 

It's stated in more places than that. Demons and Spirits shape the Fade, but they emulate the thoughts of mortals when they do so.

 

You think the Demons didn't create those castles because they were brought from the minds of our PCs and companions, but Demons can read minds. Maybe not perfectly, but they can manage it.

 

Those locations you're so sure people just dreamt up into the Fade? Demons put those there. Demons create those giant islands. That's the story we've been told about them. The Demons just blatantly copied and stole what they saw in our thoughts and made it in the Fade.

[Kieran G.]

its part of nature with thedas i agree some extent its dangerous but so is a warlord with a hard on (that was joke lol ). We should tread lightly we are getting close to a MT debate which im down for but id rather not get our thread filled with semantics.

I'm not saying anything about the mt war. all i'm saying is dwarves have proven the fade isn't actually needed. its not part of nature since creatures live without. therefore i don't think thedas would really be any different, just like mid-evil Europe just with elves and dwarves. 

 

http://dragonage.wik...entry:_The_Fade

http://dragonage.wik...rits_and_Demons

 

It's stated in more places than that. Demons and Spirits shape the Fade, but they emulate the thoughts of mortals when they do so.

 

You think the Demons didn't create those castles because they were brought from the minds of our PCs and companions, but Demons can read minds. Maybe not perfectly, but they can manage it.

 

Those locations you're so sure people just dreamt up into the Fade? Demons put those there. Demons create those giant islands. That's the story we've been told about them. The Demons just blatantly copied and stole what they saw in our thoughts and made it in the Fade.

Are demons dreamers? if they were why aren't they as magically strong as dreamers? why don't we truly see vast cities. why don't we see hundreds of thousands of castles since each one is a dreamer? Demons are nothing but copy cats. they don't make anything. they take it. they don't feel anything. they just take feelings. they don't make dreams they just take dreams. that's not creation. that's barely even imitation 

 

I'm not arguing that demons can form things. i am stating they do not shape the fade. the mortals do. the demons are just gate ways to these creations. They can only "shape" what they take from us. they can't build cities. they just take our dream or memory of a city. 

 

Again. we shape the fade. not them.

 

Have we ever seen a creation a demon has made on its own? a table that didn't exist in thedas? no. they just take things and photo copy it. and it can get distorted on the way across because of the mortals mind. 

 

while in the fade have we ever seen a demon mimicking a human or elf that didn't already exist? or hell have we ever seen them as a dwarf? no, because they cant create it. they can just photo copy that human form on themself. 

[Killdren88]

Call me a ignorant Nug brain.but what does this talk have to do with The Elder One? If I can ask.

[Kieran G.]

Call me a ignorant Nug brain.but what does this talk have to do with The Elder One? If I can ask.

we were discussing about a time without the veil and maybe the elder one being from that time. and now we are arguing semantics. i apologize.

[Dusksworn]

I'm not saying anything about the mt war. all i'm saying is dwarves have proven the fade isn't actually needed. its not part of nature since creatures live without. therefore i don't think thedas would really be any different, just like mid-evil Europe just with elves and dwarves. 

 

Are demons dreamers? if they were why aren't they as magically strong as dreamers? why don't we truly see vast cities. why don't we see hundreds of thousands of castles since each one is a dreamer? Demons are nothing but copy cats. they don't make anything. they take it. they don't feel anything. they just take feelings. they don't make dreams they just take dreams. that's not creation. that's barely even imitation 

 

I'm not arguing that demons can form things. i am stating they do not shape the fade. the mortals do. the demons are just gate ways to these creations. They can only "shape" what they take from us. they can't build cities. they just take our dream or memory of a city. 

 

Again. we shape the fade. not them.

Is that us shaping the Fade? Maybe they only shape what they take from us, but it's still their hands that do the molding and still their choice that it is made. It is us providing the ideas, and the Spirits using those ideas.

 

As for Magical Strength? Demons are incredibly magically strong. Magical strength has always been something Demons excelled at, though it very obviously varies from Demon to Demon. I suppose Dreamers do have the advantage of having a physical body...

 

Whatever the case is, the Demons could copy as many castles as they're strong enough to keep running if they wanted to. The Fade is a big place. There could very well be those hundreds of castles. It makes very little difference if they ripped off the designs for each and every one of them.

 

I suppose it's possible that the Fade itself just parasitically feeds on Thedas and nothing more. It's also possible that Thedas itself was formed from a part of the Fade that was stabilized and cut off from the rest.

[Killdren88]

we were discussing about a time without the veil and maybe the elder one being from that time. and now we are arguing semantics. i apologize.

 

Ahhh. So Elder ELDER One. The dawn of creation sort of Elder.

[Kieran G.]

Ahhh. So Elder ELDER One. The dawn of creation sort of Elder.

Yes. pretty much.

[Killdren88]

Yes. pretty much.

 

But if they went that far back, wouldn't that prove/ disprove one of the one Religion or the next?

[Kieran G.]

But if they went that far back, wouldn't that prove/ disprove one of the one Religion or the next?

Yeah i don't think we will really learn the elder's one origin. it will probably be a ambiguous origin at that.

 

And Loghain was incredibly arrogant. but he didn't stand before you and gave you a origin story. and we didn't even see that in ME and those reapers were incredibly arrogant. 

 

Edit: well that star child did give a sort of origin. but i don't really like to think of him as a reaper. so i will keep that post up even though its kinda incorrect.

[Killdren88]

Yeah i don't think we will really learn the elder's one origin. it will probably be a ambiguous origin at that.

 

And Loghain was incredibly arrogant. but he didn't stand before you and gave you a origin story. and we didn't even see that in ME and those reapers were incredibly arrogant. 

 

Edit: well that star child did give a sort of origin. but i don't really think of him as a reaper. so i will keep that post up even though its kinda incorrect.

 

It only took Shepard's finger on the Kill switch for the Catalyst to Explain the Reapers.