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[myahele]

I'd like to think that the person we hear speak is his main underling. A human (probably tevinter mage) that's been manipulating events with the help of the Elder One In exchange for power+immortality.

Sad thing is, many Tevinter magisters have sought ways to gain power and immortality. They've done this through experimentation with the fade and veil. The 1st was a disaster due to creating darkspawn, but they've had 1000 years to experiment on and off.

[raging_monkey]

We know BM can grant psuedo-immortality so its possible we are dealing with a outcast tevinter that refines the mgister of old's techniques

[Mr.House]

its probable but he's a side villian due to dlc origin and DA 2s poor dlc sales

Where was it confirmed that he is a side villain? The fact that Legacy is in the official timeline and one of the flags that is always set points to something bigger.

[AresKeith]

Where was it confirmed that he is a side villain? The fact that Legacy is in the official timeline and one of the flas that is always set points to something bigger.

 

He's most likely involved in the Warden arc, though I could see him siding with the Elder One the same with Imshael working with him too

[raging_monkey]

Where was it confirmed that he is a side villain? The fact that Legacy is in the official timeline and one of the flas that is always set points to something bigger.

oh apologies i forgpt imo lol. And idk what it points to for all i know it could just be related to the wardens. I try not to get my hopes high yet love spexulating go figure lol

[Mr.House]

Cory is just something too big to stick to the side imo. I think him working with the elder one is the best thing to do(and with what is going on with the wardens in Orlais it most likely is him. Mind control, wardens leaving their post, the warden commander cutting communication?)  and this is why if he is working with the Elder One it has to be something big, hence why I think it is Dumat. Heck it could be something else but for it to be some random mage and Cory following him just seems out of character for someone like Cory. He feels like the guy who would only follow something or someone that could command through power.

[raging_monkey]

Each there own. Personally i tgink varric was ****ing with me about the him being capt ginyu. But i expect to plesantly suprised

[Mr.House]

I'd like to think that the person we hear speak is his main underling. A human (probably tevinter mage) that's been manipulating events with the help of the Elder One In exchange for power+immortality.

Sad thing is, many Tevinter magisters have sought ways to gain power and immortality. They've done this through experimentation with the fade and veil. The 1st was a disaster due to creating darkspawn, but they've had 1000 years to experiment on and off.

Eh I would not say it created the darkspawn. While it's true that fiasco led to the creation of darkspawn!Cory(and most likely the other magisters became like him) who seem to rival the archdemon in power I would not say they where the first darkspawn as dwarfs encountered something like genlocks way before that incident and it is recorded in the shaper.

[Inquisitor Julianos]

Was'nt defeating corypheus one of the leaked Achievements? i remember reading it some where.

[Hellion Rex]

Cory is just something too big to stick to the side imo. I think him working with the elder one is the best thing to do(and with what is going on with the wardens in Orlais it most likely is him. Mind control, wardens leaving their post, the warden commander cutting communication?)  and this is why if he is working with the Elder One it has to be something big, hence why I think it is Dumat. Heck it could be something else but for it to be some random mage and Cory following him just seems out of character for someone like Cory. He feels like the guy who would only follow something or someone that could command through power.

At the same time, wouldn't Corypheus be kind of angry with Dumat, because he kinda screwed over the original magisters, no? Heck, Cory mentions how they were tricked. "It was supposed to be golden".

[raging_monkey]

Eh I would not say it created the darkspawn. While it's true that fiasco led to the creation of darkspawn!Cory(and most likely the other magisters became like him) who seem to rival the archdemon in power I would not say they where the first darkspawn as dwarfs encountered something like genlocks way before that incident and it is recorded in the shaper.

source? Dwarves have been known to alter records

[Hellion Rex]

Was'nt defeating corypheus one of the leaked Achievements? i remember reading it some where.

Yeah, he was mentioned, but any person who knew their lore could craft such a list. Hell, I could have done it.

[Hellion Rex]

Eh I would not say it created the darkspawn. While it's true that fiasco led to the creation of darkspawn!Cory(and most likely the other magisters became like him) who seem to rival the archdemon in power I would not say they where the first darkspawn as dwarfs encountered something like genlocks way before that incident and it is recorded in the shaper.

Except genlocks are made from dwarven broodmothers...I'm assuming that the original darkspawn (Cory and co.) were able to taint creatures, and mutate them into monsters, and once women became tainted by these creatures, we got broodmothers, which lead us to the modern darkspawn.

[myahele]

At the same time, wouldn't Corypheus be kind of angry with Dumat, because he kinda screwed over the original magisters, no? Heck, Cory mentions how they were tricked. "It was supposed to be golden".

You're right! Alot of people think that Corpheus will still be loyal to the Old Gods, but why would he when he thinks they (Dumat + crew) tricked them. With his memories intact and him reading up on thedas history I wonder what his motivation is?

He maybe using the Wardens and thier knowledge to seekout answers such as what exactly is the taint? How can one use it? Etc. Assuming he can hear the call of the remaining old gods as well then maybe he wants locate them and kill them? Most likely he wants to gain even more power using the OG

[Mr.House]

At the same time, wouldn't Corypheus be kind of angry with Dumat, because he kinda screwed over the original magisters, no? Heck, Cory mentions how they were tricked. "It was supposed to be golden".

Depends, we don't know what happen to Dumat after the fiasco, for all we know that was when he and the other old gods where imprisoned, it's also possible he was tricked into believing the golden city would give his loyal followers the power of the gods. Anything is possible as Cory has had alot of time to think this over and research things.

[raging_monkey]

I doubt dumat was tricked neing first old god implies a level of intelligence

[Dusksworn]

Again love your flare my friend

Well, I can imagine the connection between the black throne outside the ordered universe and at the center of chaos occupied by the Primordial God and creator, kept pacified by music, and a Black City, outside of the solidly defined world of Thedas at the center of the formless and ever changing Fade, supposedly occupied by the Creator and said to be full of music.

 

Maybe I'm just pulling **** out of my ass, but maybe the Black City is actually home to something akin to Azathoth, at least in its current incarnation. That would be kind of terrifying.

 

However, it would be pretty interesting on several levels. I can just imagine an Andraste singing soothing lullabies to a horrifying primordial monstrosity at the heart of creation, full of genuine affection and caring for the twisted thing, as one of the last sources of light left in the city.

 

I'm still with my theory that the Elder one is simply Dumat(wardens say he died in the first blight but as we saw in Last Flight the history with the wardens is not what they seem and the wardens will cover up dark secrets(Cory ect) . Put that with DAI is having a bigger dragon emphasis, Tevinter cult obeying and following the Elder One and if Cory is involved(which at this point it's extremely high) why would he follow some other mage? If it WAS Dumat then Cory would follow with little to no issue.

 

I just can't see Cory following someone when Cory is extremely powerful and has powers close to an archdemon. We saw some of his power and that was when he was not even lucid, just imagine the full might of his powers when he gets it together.

Well, I have my doubts that Corypheus will be so willing to sign up with Dumat again, or will just blindly join this Elder One because he has nothing better to do.

 

However, I do think Corypheus will probably be trying to work out what went wrong and work to regain his former political power. He'll probably even be able to share exposition with us. Delicious Black City exposition given in a lucid state of mind.

 

I doubt dumat was tricked neing first old god implies a level of intelligence

I think even Old Gods can misjudge things, no matter how intelligent they might be. I don't think the Old Gods wanted to be tainted.

[raging_monkey]

Well, I can imagine the connection between the black throne outside the ordered universe and at the center of chaos occupied by the Primordial God and creator, kept pacified by music, and a Black City, outside of the solidly defined world of Thedas at the center of the formless and ever changing Fade, supposedly occupied by the Creator and said to be full of music. Maybe I'm just pulling **** out of my ass, but maybe the Black City is actually home to something akin to Azathoth, at least in its current incarnation. That would be kind of terrifying. However, it would be pretty interesting on several levels. I can just imagine an Andraste singing soothing lullabies to a horrifying primordial monstrosity at the heart of creation, full of genuine affection and caring for the twisted thing, as one of the last sources of light left in the city. Well, I have my doubts that Corypheus will be so willing to sign up with Dumat again, or will just blindly join this Elder One because he has nothing better to do. However, I do think Corypheus will probably be trying to work out what went wrong and work to regain his former political power. He'll probably even be able to share exposition with us. Delicious Black City exposition given in a lucid state of mind. I think even Old Gods can misjudge things, no matter how intelligent they might be. I don't think the Old Gods wanted to be tainted.

half my theories made while i sleep and going through lore.
What do we know of that song... lyrium in all forms have it, the taint echos it, even in the fade. Theory on it?

[Dusksworn]

half my theories made while i sleep and going through lore.
What do we know of that song... lyrium in all forms have it, the taint echos it, even in the fade. Theory on it?

Well, one Chantry codex made the Golden City sound like it was partly made of music. The Chantry has been said to believe Lyrium's song is the voice of the Maker and that Lyrium itself is remnant material of creation itself.

 

Also, I often suppose something more than the Old Gods seems to be behind the song in the Taint. I mean, if the Old Gods were the sole responsible source for the song, then why would the Old Gods themselves get corrupted and twisted into serving whatever goal the Darkspawn seek? Well, I suppose that's only if the Old Gods aren't all for getting Tainted and destroying the world. If the minds of the Old Gods are actually getting twisted to serve a different purpose, then there has to be more to the Taint than the Song of the Old Gods themselves. Maybe the Old Gods just amplify it?

 

We do know that the Taint provides power, much as Lyrium does, and Red Lyrium's song is strong enough to the point that it easily reminds me of the Taint itself with the effects it had on Bartrand.

 

Anyhow, the very name "Lyrium" sounds pretty music related in someway or another.

 

If I really had to guess right at this moment, I would suppose that Lyrium and the Taint carry a sort of echo of something. Maybe they echo the song of the Golden City, while the Taint might carry with it a fresher tune from when it turned Black? That's my guess as it is. Maybe Gods talk in music?

[raging_monkey]

Hmmm

[Dusksworn]

Hmmm

Welp, let's hope Andraste is there to translate if we ever meet some bizarre godthing that just sings wordless music at us. She probably knows how to speak song.

 

I mean, none of the modern languages of Thedas would have been invented back then, so if the Maker exists in any form there is a good chance that his native language is music.

[raging_monkey]

Perhaps the song is control able granted the user is attuned to similar to song magic from dnd

[Dusksworn]

Perhaps the song is control able granted the user is attuned to similar to song magic from dnd

Oh, probably.

 

I've generally assumed that Andraste had some influence on Lyrium itself. Also, the Old Gods do seem to project some influence through their song, even if they themselves may also be influenced by the Taint.

[Kieran G.]

The first of the darkspawn after the magisters were probably just ghouls. and since we find Corypheus locked up in a Grey Warden prison we can assume the tainted Magisters (or at least some) were members of the Darkspawn horde.

 

And in my opinion i really doubt its Dumat. we have already seen Big dragons and just because the voice over was speaking while a dragon was looking at our inquisitor doesn't exactly give evidence. 

 

The only evidence showing Dumat may or may not be alive. is an unimportant loot quest in a DLC.

 

And i'm also curious why do we even think The Old Gods are fade creatures? they were locked in Thedas. so shouldn't we assume they are from Thedas and not the fade?

But they did supposedly speak to the Magisters in their dream which would in turn show they have a connection to the fade. or maybe in their prisons they are also asleep so they just wandered the fade for so long in their dreams they learned some tricks.

 

And how we've always heard the Old Gods be described, to me they seem like the kind who demand to be worshiped not wait patiently.

 

And if its Dumat why now? if he has been in the fade for 1100 years why hasn't he tried to escape before hand? 

 

More to the point why would the Elder One choose now? was it on a whim? or did he have this plan for centuries(which would be so over used.) ?

 

To me it seems unlike a demon or god or idiotic mage. something in between all these things. maybe how the architect was born a Darkspawn who doesn't hear the song. the Elder One was born a fade creature with creativity.

[raging_monkey]

The first of the darkspawn after the magisters were probably just ghouls. and since we find Corypheus locked up in a Grey Warden prison we can assume the tainted Magisters (or at least some) were members of the Darkspawn horde. And in my opinion i really doubt its Dumat. we have already seen Big dragons and just because the voice over was speaking while a dragon was looking at our inquisitor doesn't exactly give evidence.  The only evidence showing Dumat may or may not be alive. is an unimportant loot quest in a DLC. And i'm also curious why do we even think The Old Gods are fade creatures? they were locked in Thedas. so shouldn't we assume they are from Thedas and not the fade?But they did supposedly speak to the Magisters in their dream which would in turn show they have a connection to the fade. or maybe in their prisons they are also asleep so they just wandered the fade for so long in their dreams they learned some tricks. And how we've always heard the Old Gods be described, to me they seem like the kind who demand to be worshiped not wait patiently. And if its Dumat why now? if he has been in the fade for 1100 years why hasn't he tried to escape before hand?  More to the point why would the Elder One choose now? was it on a whim? or did he have this plan for centuries(which would be so over used.) ? To me it seems unlike a demon or god or idiotic mage. something in between all these things. maybe how the architect was born a Darkspawn who doesn't hear the song. the Elder One was born a fade creature with creativity.

idk why people want old gods. Strictly a warden thing imo. To tespond to your idea, a creature born of tge fade with creativity.... my idea on that is that he was once mortal and when they passed their soul went to the fade to x destination(justice says that all mortals cross the fade when they die bit does not know where they go. Now if this soul spent x time in this place and slowly turned into a spirit, not seeing the maker(keeping BW's need to keep the maker ambiguous) somehow retained its memories and emotions became corrupted. Now logic says when gaining "immortality" in a place of dreams and unknown knowledge you can be come omnipotent(often confused with godhood). With this this being can spend millienium trying to escape and "enlighten" the mortals and try to rule them by showing off his power by controlling demons and their ilk aswell as creating a new realm where both his fade and mortal subjects inhabit the same world