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[raging_monkey]

Maker thats good mya. Never thought of it like that

[Dusksworn]

Hrm.

 

Having thoughts.

 

If the Black City and the Eternal City are one and the same, what does that mean for the Elvish Gods trapped inside?

 

What are their daily lives like? Are they Darkspawn now? Did they just become emo and paint everything black?

 

Are they trapped in an unending nightmare at the mercy of a maddened and corrupt city, possibly guided by some sort of malevolent sentience? Did it eat them?

 

Are they the source of the Darkspawn?

[raging_monkey]

All those ideas are possiblities

[Dusksworn]

All those ideas are possiblities

Oh yes, and let us not forget the last question.

 

Did Fen'Harel truly understand the place he was locking the Creators inside?

[raging_monkey]

He's DA's analogue for loki... so id says yes to x extent

[TTTX]

If I had to guess being locked into one place must have angered the eleven Gods greatly and as time passed their own anger corrupted them over time and transformed the city into Black City only for the outside it appear differently because they didn't know the city had change, because things are not always as it seems in the fade and when the magisters finally got to the city they got corrupted by the very same anger of the gods.

 

Also I have another theory that the Old Gods actually believe the Magisters would one way or the other would free the eleven gods so they themselves could get free because the enemy of my enemy is my friend and both groups are probably pretty pissed at the Dread Wolf for locking them up, but things didn't go as planned.

[Dusksworn]

If I had to guess being locked into one place must have angered the eleven Gods greatly and as time passed their own anger corrupted them over time and transformed the city into Black City only for the outside it appear differently because they didn't know the city had change, because things are not always as it seems in the fade and when the magisters finally got to the city they got corrupted by the very same anger of the gods.

 

Also I have another theory that the Old Gods actually believe the Magisters would one way or the other would free the eleven gods so they themselves could get free because the enemy of my enemy is my friend and both groups are probably pretty pissed at the Dread Wolf for locking them up, but things didn't go as planned.

Either that or the Elven Gods are now grotesque finger puppets for the Central Darkspawn Hivemind Brain that lives inside the Black City.

[Kieran G.]

Wouldn't calling Fen'Harel just a powerful spirit sort of contradict Elven religious beliefs? Or would he still qualify as a God?

 

That's the main issue I foresee with using a being like Fen'Harel. It would be confirming an Elven Deity. At worst it would be killing an Elven Deity.

 

If the Old Gods are really the Forgotten Ones, that would mean you've just confirmed that half of the Elven Gods definitely existed. The only question left in that case would be, "What the **** is in that magic Dream City?"

 

Of course, it is a city, so there could be many things in that place. Were the Elven Creators even said to have created the Golden City? How does this all fit in with the city turning black?

 

Did Fen'Harel lock the Creators away in a place they did not previously frequent? I heard Fen'Harel said there was a magic sword in there, and if they all lived in the Eternal City they probably would have known that was bullshit. They might also even know that they could be locked in?

 

Is it possible that Fen'Harel locked the Creators in with something that was already there?

I wasn't saying he is just a great spirit, but you could present the argument that he is just a great spirit. and i believe maybe all the religions are connected.

 

So we have kinda agreed there is a definite connection when it comes to the Eternal/Black city.

and then we have the Old Gods who may be the Forgotten One's

 

But look at this.

"According to elven legend, the sun grew jealous of the favor shown by Elgar'nan for the things of the earth, and so burned them to ashes. In retaliation, Elgar'nan threw the sun down from the sky, and only later relented because of Mythal's intervention" 

And we see a lot of times that the maker is symbolized as the sun. just maybe another connection between the religions. Its a stretch but just something else i'm thinking about.

 

I think its like the whole Christian, Judaism, Islam. its all the same god, its just how they interpret his words and how they worship him which makes the religions separate.

 

And supposedly before Fen'Harel locked them up they already lived in "heaven" but he locked them up in there.

 

But i don't think any of them are really gods. as we think of them. they are god like, but all mortal to an extant.

[raging_monkey]

Very interesting

[Br3admax]

In a time when the Fade and Thedas were one wouldn't it be possible people at that time make their thoughts/dreams a reality?

 

In other words, imagination+physical materials+ power/alot of mana= creation?

Doubtful. Nothing suggest that people even existed then. 

[Kieran G.]

Doubtful. Nothing suggest that people even existed then. 

It is true. we have no idea what that time was like. and i doubt humans and elves can survive in the fade if it all becomes one.

[Dusksworn]

I wasn't saying he is just a great spirit, but you could present the argument that he is just a great spirit. and i believe maybe all the religions are connected.

 

So we have kinda agreed there is a definite connection when it comes to the Eternal/Black city.

and then we have the Old Gods who may be the Forgotten One's

 

But look at this.

"According to elven legend, the sun grew jealous of the favor shown by Elgar'nan for the things of the earth, and so burned them to ashes. In retaliation, Elgar'nan threw the sun down from the sky, and only later relented because of Mythal's intervention" 

And we see a lot of times that the maker is symbolized as the sun. just maybe another connection between the religions. Its a stretch but just something else i'm thinking about.

 

I think its like the whole Christian, Judaism, Islam. its all the same god, its just how they interpret his words and how they worship him which makes the religions separate.

 

And supposedly before Fen'Harel locked them up they already lived in "heaven" but he locked them up in there.

 

But i don't think any of them are really gods. as we think of them. they are god like, but all mortal to an extant.

I never quite understood why the Sun was used as a symbol in the Chantry. I suppose it's mostly a Golden Light connection.

 

But yeah, with the Old Gods being real I tend to think that there's very little reason why other religions in the setting wouldn't be mostly true. However, I also tend to believe that all of the ingame religions have been filtered through the minds of mortal humanoids, so things are going to be told in a manner that may be more anthropomorphic than it should.

 

As for the Eternal City and the Golden City being one and the same, I mostly just accept that because I don't see any other Eternal City in the Fade laying around.

 

Whatever the case is, Avernus's notes and everything else has left me convinced that there is something very real inside the Black City. Something that would almost certainly provide answers to a large variety of questions if we were ever to get even a mere glimpse of what it was.

[LadyKarrakaz]

I never quite understood why the Sun was used as a symbol in the Chantry. I suppose it's mostly a Golden Light connection.

 

*snip*

 

Thought it was a reference to the Holy Brazier, the Flames of Andraste's death.

[Kieran G.]

Thought it was a reference to the Holy Brazier, the Flames of Andraste's death.

The sun represents the fundamental goal of the Chantry: if all lands under the sun raise their voices in the Chant, then the Maker's eye will turn back to his Children

[raging_monkey]

The sun represents the fundamental goal of the Chantry: if all lands under the sun raise their voices in the Chant, then the Maker's eye will turn back to his Children

funny how we know more of non-human faiths but little of humans

[Dusksworn]

funny how we know more of non-human faiths but little of humans

Well, there really aren't that many stories of the Maker.

 

He made things, and then he watched and made new things when he was disappointed, and then he got disappointed again after people broke into his house and he supposedly left for some unknown location.

 

Then he saw Andraste and was like, "Hey, you sing good! I guess I'll pay attention to you".

 

There was this whole war thing, and then she died. There really aren't any other stories.

[raging_monkey]

I was being witty maker i should have closed captions im a lousy joker lol.

Anyway youd think the cult of the maker wouldve kept more records before the chaos

[Kieran G.]

I was being witty maker i should have closed captions im a lousy joker lol.

Anyway youd think the cult of the maker wouldve kept more records before the chaos

But how much records do they have to begin with? the Alamrri/avvar tribes weren't Andrastians until she started preaching and base off the words of her. and we don't know much about the Tevinter's "creator" they once believed in, So probably the only records come straight from her.

[Dusksworn]

I was being witty maker i should have closed captions im a lousy joker lol.

Anyway youd think the cult of the maker wouldve kept more records before the chaos

Really, I wonder what stories of the Creator the Pre-Old God Tevinter had to tell...

[Kieran G.]

Really, I wonder what stories of the Creator the Pre-Old God Tevinter had to tell...

Well we know the Magisters were pretty radical so they probably burned a whole lot of it. 

I mean the war with Arlathan's didn't even come until they met the Old Gods, so that was Age's ago when they believed in The Creator.

 

And think about what the Christians or other religions did in ancient times when they found another religion. forcefully convert it. Even the Templars during the Childrens Crusade started to burn every work of Islamic or Jewish writing.

 

I would assume the Magisters would do the same.

[raging_monkey]

What do we know of tge creator

[Kieran G.]

What do we know of tge creator

Nothing. only that they believed in him before the Old Gods.

[Kieran G.]

Just thought i should mention this while reading, for the group of magisters to enter the fade they used hundreds of slaves and two thirds of all the lyrium in the entire empire just to physically enter the fade.

 

And now we have the elder one who is ripping holes in the Veil and Our inquisitor who enters the fade physically.

 

Not to mention how powerful the Mask of Fen'Harel must be.

[raging_monkey]

Hmm my curious monkey sense is tingling... ill be back with a theory that gotta lore dive for few hours

[raging_monkey]

Just thought i should mention this while reading, for the group of magisters to enter the fade they used hundreds of slaves and two thirds of all the lyrium in the entire empire just to physically enter the fade.
 
And now we have the elder one who is ripping holes in the Veil and Our inquisitor who enters the fade physically.
 
Not to mention how powerful the Mask of Fen'Harel must be.

idea what if the veil was always weak after what the magisters did. And the centuries of conflict just made thinner, and the EO decided he's seen what the mortal races have done and is tired of it so he completly breaches the veil to rule over them for x reason