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[raging_monkey]

Whatever the elder one turns out to be, i suspect my mind will be blown like when corypheus did his revelation. If that happens, bioware will have done a geest job .

i expect it to be such a revelation that i will go mad and my views on the series politics and factions will go a 180°

[cardinalally]

i expect it to be such a revelation that i will go mad and my views on the series politics and factions will go a 180°

 

I want this to happen

 

We as the fans think we know this world and most of us (if BSN is anything to go by) have formed some pretty set in stone beliefs about it.  I want this game to show the DA world in a new light because there is so much we just don't know.  About its history, about the fade etc.  Even if what we learn doesn't change your mind about things like say you are pro-mage I really want it to make you sit back and really think about it.  

 

This game I think could really do that.  Based on everything we know it sounds like we will be delving into uncharted territory and that really excites me.

[Kieran G.]

i expect it to be such a revelation that i will go mad and my views on the series politics and factions will go a 180°

Well they can't make the revelation a choice base change, because if they do that it would cause to many variables and DA4 would just do exactly what ME2 did and just ignored those huge choices at the end, where you choose to with military hold the Citadel as the dominate race. except we saw none of that and they just ignored that. So the event has to happen no matter what if its going to change the series a lot.

 

 

Also i'm not say ME2 wasn't a good game, in fact i think its one of the best BioWare games.

[raging_monkey]

Well they can't make the revelation a choice base change, because if they do that it would cause to many variables and DA4 would just do exactly what ME2 did and just ignored those huge choices at the end, where you choose to with military hold the Citadel as the dominate race. except we saw none of that and they just ignored that. So the event has to happen no matter what if its going to change the series a lot.  Also i'm not say ME2 wasn't a good game, in fact i think its one of the best BioWare games.

me2 was the best in the series.
And i prefer these revs not to be choice based more like how the AC series does them (just with biowares great writing).

I want this to happen  We as the fans think we know this world and most of us (if BSN is anything to go by) have formed some pretty set in stone beliefs about it.  I want this game to show the DA world in a new light because there is so much we just don't know.  About its history, about the fade etc.  Even if what we learn doesn't change your mind about things like say you are pro-mage I really want it to make you sit back and really think about it.   This game I think could really do that.  Based on everything we know it sounds like we will be delving into uncharted territory and that really excites me.

the bsn while toxic has tempered my views now im a moderate and isolationist. But this thread has open my eyes to how we know jack-**** about the world and it is ever-changing. We find one theory.. two more appear

[Kieran G.]

me2 was the best in the series.
And i prefer these revs not to be choice based more like how the AC series does them (just with biowares great writing).

the bsn while toxic has tempered my views now im a moderate and isolationist. But this thread has open my eyes to how we know jack-**** about the world and it is ever-changing. We find one theory.. two more appear

I was just thinking of what a cool dlc for DA:I would be and since i doubt we are going to get any game in the past, it would be cool if we have a dlc like the From Ashes in ME3 but instead we go to some temple and once we enter we start seeing flashes of memory, be it the Magisters of Dumat or something about Andraste. which would be awesome.

 

Like how we saw the memories in warden's keep.

 

Like that could be a way they answer questions instead of a book or a whole game in that time period.

[raging_monkey]

I was just thinking of what a cool dlc for DA:I would be and since i doubt we are going to get any game in the past, it would be cool if we have a dlc like the From Ashes in ME3 but instead we go to some temple and once we enter we start seeing flashes of memory, be it the Magisters of Dumat or something about Andraste. which would be awesome. Like how we saw the memories in warden's keep. Like that could be a way they answer questions instead of a book or a whole game in that time period.

thats pretty reasonable. That mark could have psychometric abilities so its easily playable from a lore pov. Thedas is huge and treasure/knowledge is for the taking*dons pirate ouftit* onward more theories my friends

[cardinalally]

me2 was the best in the series.
And i prefer these revs not to be choice based more like how the AC series does them (just with biowares great writing).

the bsn while toxic has tempered my views now im a moderate and isolationist. But this thread has open my eyes to how we know jack-**** about the world and it is ever-changing. We find one theory.. two more appear

 

Precisely, we know so little about Thedas.  Up until now the games have hinted at a lot of stuff but not really answered them.  Flemeth is the best example from the previous games.  WHAT IS SHE!! I want to know.  We have theories, but nothing concrete.  The true beauty of a series like DA is that while each game has a protagonist the true story throughout the series is the world itself.  I'm excited to see how things evolve since this game seems to be setting us up for some interesting revelations about a lot of things.

 

To be clear, I don't want all the questions answered.  We need to leave something for the next game.  If the devs are smart then when they answer one question this will just open up more.

 

Truthfully when this game was first revealed I wasn't really that excited , but the more I saw just kept peaking my interest.  Now I can't wait to get my hands on it. 

[Kieran G.]

Precisely, we know so little about Thedas.  Up until now the games have hinted at a lot of stuff but not really answered them.  Flemeth is the best example from the previous games.  WHAT IS SHE!! I want to know.  We have theories, but nothing concrete.  The true beauty of a series like DA is that while each game has a protagonist the true story throughout the series is the world itself.  I'm excited to see how things evolve since this game seems to be setting us up for some interesting revelations about a lot of things.

 

To be clear, I don't want all the questions answered.  We need to leave something for the next game.  If the devs are smart then when they answer one question this will just open up more.

 

Truthfully when this game was first revealed I wasn't really that excited , but the more I saw just kept peaking my interest.  Now I can't wait to get my hands on it. 

We had a whole argument about that in this thread once. The argument is on page 69-70 you see like everyone all agree that the search for mystery is what drives us more than the answer itself.

Modifié par Kieran G., 06 octobre 2014 - 03:13 .

[raging_monkey]

Maker we have. Close to a 100 pages. Lets keep it up

[cardinalally]

We had a whole argument about that in this thread once. The argument is on page 69-70 you see like everyone all agree that the search for mystery is what drives us more than the answer itself.

 Just went back and read the posts.

 

I agree with most of what you said.  Part of the fun of games like this is figuring things out, piecing it together.  I agree that we won't learn everything about the Fade and Black City, but we will (should) learn more than we did in the previous games.  They have to give some answers, but not all of them.  Example could be we learn more about the elves but not everything.  Like I've always wondered why did the humans attack.  The elves say 'we went to our cities and then some time later humans attacked'.  But no reason is ever given.  Usually a war starts because something happened.  It could be a really stupid reason in retrospec but still there is usually a reason or something that we can point to.  Not in this case that I'm aware of.  Something like that would be really interesting but would also lead to more questions.

 

In many ways by answering one question, this could open up questions that before we didn't even know to ask.  

 

Personally I would love if lore was a reward to exploration.  I think the devs mention in the Livestream on Twitch that you can collect things in the world and have them researched at Skyhold.  One of the things they collected was a mural piece.  Once it was all collected it possibly could tell us some lore about [insert X].  But don't quote me on this it is late and I'm not sure  .  But if this was a way to discover lore it would be really cool.  A sort of ingame theory building.  

[Kieran G.]

 Just went back and read the posts.

 

I agree with most of what you said.  Part of the fun of games like this is figuring things out, piecing it together.  I agree that we won't learn everything about the Fade and Black City, but we will (should) learn more than we did in the previous games.  They have to give some answers, but not all of them.  Example could be we learn more about the elves but not everything.  Like I've always wondered why did the humans attack.  The elves say 'we went to our cities and then some time later humans attacked'.  But no reason is ever given.  Usually a war starts because something happened.  It could be a really stupid reason in retrospec but still there is usually a reason or something that we can point to.  Not in this case that I'm aware of.  Something like that would be really interesting but would also lead to more questions.

 

In many ways by answering one question, this could open up questions that before we didn't even know to ask.  

 

Personally I would love if lore was a reward to exploration.  I think the devs mention in the Livestream on Twitch that you can collect things in the world and have them researched at Skyhold.  One of the things they collected was a mural piece.  Once it was all collected it possibly could tell us some lore about [insert X].  But don't quote me on this it is late and I'm not sure  .  But if this was a way to discover lore it would be really cool.  A sort of ingame theory building.  

Oh i definitely think we will get lore as reward. i think DA knows a lot of its fans are lore freaks. so i think they will give us a good ton. i just want stuff to continue to speculate on. 

 

Like we even got lore kinda as rewards in DA2 and DA:O if you explored areas you weren't really meant to. so i bet DA:I open world areas will give you a lot to learn or see. and any way. David Gaider is wonderful pilot for Lore since he doesn't think right in the now, But more like down the road or in the future where that lore will lead.

[TTTX]

Maker we have. Close to a 100 pages. Lets keep it up

Let's reach 100 and feel old.

[taviastrife]

Okay, I know this theory will probably have major lore/plot holes.  And it's probably way off base, originating from my own fantasies than what's most likely true.  My theory also doesn't include the tales of the Elven gods and their history (btw, I love those theories about Fen'Harel and the like).  But this thread is all about speculation, right?  Time to have some fun!

 

I like the theory that the Elder One is the anti-thesis of the Maker, the polar opposite.  Or rather, the Satan of Dragon Age.

 

Let's say the Golden City was the seat of the Maker originally, but things changed after He created the Fade.  It's said that the first children of the Maker, the spirits of the Fade, could alter their world at will but lacked souls.  This could mean that these spirits may have been the original dreamers, being able to alter and bend the fade.  Anyhow, it's then believed that the Maker abandoned the Fade to create the world of Thedas and beings with souls.  But, what if something else happened?

 

The Elder One is the first demon to appear in the Fade, which is the first world created by the Maker.  The Chantry claims it was man that introduced corruption into the Fade, making the Golden City black.  However, Corypheus says that the city was black when he and the other magisters went to the city.  Well, who or what corrupted the city?  It's very far fetched, but perhaps one of the spirits--the first children of the Maker--became self-aware.  Or, maybe the copying of the Maker's works in the Fade stirred something awake inside one.  Or, they were spirits with free-will to begin with.  Demons are well enough explained in Dragon Age, but what about peaceful or helpful spirits like the one that possessed Wynne.  Where did they come from?  Perhaps they'd always existed, or were originally the first children of the Maker without corruption.

 

Let's say this "Satan" grew ambitious and tried to cause corruption in the Fade to overthrow the Maker.  (Perhaps the Elven history and legends of their gods comes into play here (the fighting between the light and dark gods). In other words, both "religions" (Andrastian and Elven) are an amalgamation of sorts.  Maybe the being is Fen'Harel.  >_>  meh...maybe not, though.)  Seeing this, the Maker then sealed the being into the Golden City, causing it to turn black and spread corruption within the Fade, making the spirits into demons and such.  Then, the Maker left to make Thedas.  This might explain why the City was already corrupt when Corypheus arrived.

 

I'll go even further with my theory and say that the first blight was caused by the influences of this "Satan" trapped within the City in the Fade.  It was an attempt to release him from his prison.  The Old Gods were fashioned by this being, were manipulations sent out into the newly created world of Thedas to disrupt and corrode the Maker's work.  It was to lead the world into disarray and to gather followers like the Teventer Magisters.  Dumat taught the Magisters magic in hopes of using the ability to free this sealed being, teaching them how to enter the Fade and reach the city.  But, the plan didn't work and the first darkspawn were born, returning to the mortal realm to corrupt Dumat into the Archedemon.  Or perhaps the sealed being had wanted mass corruption to bleed out across Thedas in the form of the Blight, an ultimate insult to the Maker, which might explain the outright mockery from the Elder One in "The Enemy of Thedas" trailer.

 

Either way, the world was thrust into chaos.

 

....

 

Haha, that took longer to type than I thought.  It's way crazy speculation on my part, but it was fun to dive into the lore and put this down.  My theory employs the god complex concept as well, which I quite like actually.  It's intriguing and makes for a great villain.  Also, sorry if I repeated theories brought up by other people in the thread.  I didn't read through all the pages, lol. O_o

[Kieran G.]

 

Okay, I know this theory will probably have major lore/plot holes.  And it's probably way off base, originating from my own fantasies than what's most likely true.  My theory also doesn't include the tales of the Elven gods and their history (btw, I love those theories about Fen'Harel and the like).  But this thread is all about speculation, right?  Time to have some fun!

 

I like the theory that the Elder One is the anti-thesis of the Maker, the polar opposite.  Or rather, the Satan of Dragon Age.

 

Let's say the Golden City was the seat of the Maker originally, but things changed after He created the Fade.  It's said that the first children of the Maker, the spirits of the Fade, could alter their world at will but lacked souls.  This could mean that these spirits may have been the original dreamers, being able to alter and bend the fade.  Anyhow, it's then believed that the Maker abandoned the Fade to create the world of Thedas and beings with souls.  But, what if something else happened?

 

The Elder One is the first demon to appear in the Fade, which is the first world created by the Maker.  The Chantry claims it was man that introduced corruption into the Fade, making the Golden City black.  However, Corypheus says that the city was black when he and the other magisters went to the city.  Well, who or what corrupted the city?  It's very far fetched, but perhaps one of the spirits--the first children of the Maker--became self-aware.  Or, maybe the copying of the Maker's works in the Fade stirred something awake inside one.  Or, they were spirits with free-will to begin with.  Demons are well enough explained in Dragon Age, but what about peaceful or helpful spirits like the one that possessed Wynne.  Where did they come from?  Perhaps they'd always existed, or were originally the first children of the Maker without corruption.

 

Let's say this "Satan" grew ambitious and tried to cause corruption in the Fade to overthrow the Maker.  (Perhaps the Elven history and legends of their gods comes into play here (the fighting between the light and dark gods). In other words, both "religions" (Andrastian and Elven) are an amalgamation of sorts.  Maybe the being is Fen'Harel.  >_>  meh...maybe not, though.)  Seeing this, the Maker then sealed the being into the Golden City, causing it to turn black and spread corruption within the Fade, making the spirits into demons and such.  Then, the Maker left to make Thedas.  This might explain why the City was already corrupt when Corypheus arrived.

 

I'll go even further with my theory and say that the first blight was caused by the influences of this "Satan" trapped within the City in the Fade.  It was an attempt to release him from his prison.  The Old Gods were fashioned by this being, were manipulations sent out into the newly created world of Thedas to disrupt and corrode the Maker's work.  It was to lead the world into disarray and to gather followers like the Teventer Magisters.  Dumat taught the Magisters magic in hopes of using the ability to free this sealed being, teaching them how to enter the Fade and reach the city.  But, the plan didn't work and the first darkspawn were born, returning to the mortal realm to corrupt Dumat into the Archedemon.  Or perhaps the sealed being had wanted mass corruption to bleed out across Thedas in the form of the Blight, an ultimate insult to the Maker, which might explain the outright mockery from the Elder One in "The Enemy of Thedas" trailer.

 

Either way, the world was thrust into chaos.

 

....

 

Haha, that took longer to type than I thought.  It's way crazy speculation on my part, but it was fun to dive into the lore and put this down.  My theory employs the god complex concept as well, which I quite like actually.  It's intriguing and makes for a great villain.  Also, sorry if I repeated theories brought up by other people in the thread.  I didn't read through all the pages, lol. O_o

 

Don't be scared to present speculative theories. Sometimes we say theories we want and sometimes theories we find the most plausible. if you think of something roll with it and most of us bounce off of each other to advance these theories.

[raging_monkey]

Okay, I know this theory will probably have major lore/plot holes.  And it's probably way off base, originating from my own fantasies than what's most likely true.  My theory also doesn't include the tales of the Elven gods and their history (btw, I love those theories about Fen'Harel and the like).  But this thread is all about speculation, right?  Time to have some fun!
 
I like the theory that the Elder One is the anti-thesis of the Maker, the polar opposite.  Or rather, the Satan of Dragon Age.
 
Let's say the Golden City was the seat of the Maker originally, but things changed after He created the Fade.  It's said that the first children of the Maker, the spirits of the Fade, could alter their world at will but lacked souls.  This could mean that these spirits may have been the original dreamers, being able to alter and bend the fade.  Anyhow, it's then believed that the Maker abandoned the Fade to create the world of Thedas and beings with souls.  But, what if something else happened?
 
The Elder One is the first demon to appear in the Fade, which is the first world created by the Maker.  The Chantry claims it was man that introduced corruption into the Fade, making the Golden City black.  However, Corypheus says that the city was black when he and the other magisters went to the city.  Well, who or what corrupted the city?  It's very far fetched, but perhaps one of the spirits--the first children of the Maker--became self-aware.  Or, maybe the copying of the Maker's works in the Fade stirred something awake inside one.  Or, they were spirits with free-will to begin with.  Demons are well enough explained in Dragon Age, but what about peaceful or helpful spirits like the one that possessed Wynne.  Where did they come from?  Perhaps they'd always existed, or were originally the first children of the Maker without corruption.
 
Let's say this "Satan" grew ambitious and tried to cause corruption in the Fade to overthrow the Maker.  (Perhaps the Elven history and legends of their gods comes into play here (the fighting between the light and dark gods). In other words, both "religions" (Andrastian and Elven) are an amalgamation of sorts.  Maybe the being is Fen'Harel.  >_>  meh...maybe not, though.)  Seeing this, the Maker then sealed the being into the Golden City, causing it to turn black and spread corruption within the Fade, making the spirits into demons and such.  Then, the Maker left to make Thedas.  This might explain why the City was already corrupt when Corypheus arrived.
 
I'll go even further with my theory and say that the first blight was caused by the influences of this "Satan" trapped within the City in the Fade.  It was an attempt to release him from his prison.  The Old Gods were fashioned by this being, were manipulations sent out into the newly created world of Thedas to disrupt and corrode the Maker's work.  It was to lead the world into disarray and to gather followers like the Teventer Magisters.  Dumat taught the Magisters magic in hopes of using the ability to free this sealed being, teaching them how to enter the Fade and reach the city.  But, the plan didn't work and the first darkspawn were born, returning to the mortal realm to corrupt Dumat into the Archedemon.  Or perhaps the sealed being had wanted mass corruption to bleed out across Thedas in the form of the Blight, an ultimate insult to the Maker, which might explain the outright mockery from the Elder One in "The Enemy of Thedas" trailer.
 
Either way, the world was thrust into chaos.
 
....
 
Haha, that took longer to type than I thought.  It's way crazy speculation on my part, but it was fun to dive into the lore and put this down.  My theory employs the god complex concept as well, which I quite like actually.  It's intriguing and makes for a great villain.  Also, sorry if I repeated theories brought up by other people in the thread.  I didn't read through all the pages, lol. O_o

see this is why i like da. It gives people good ideas on its characters . Ive also mused about this idea yours is just more fleshed out.

Oh about dont be afraid to toss ideas around. There are no bad theories

[lordsaren101]

Whether the Elder One turns out to be Dumat, Fen'Harel, or some ancient parallel for Satan will be revealed, and the wait is killing me. I do have a question and some food for thought, do you guys think that Flemeth has knowledge of this entity? If so do you think she will tie into the whole plan?

[TTTX]

Whether the Elder One turns out to be Dumat, Fen'Harel, or some ancient parallel for Satan will be revealed, and the wait is killing me. I do have a question and some food for thought, do you guys think that Flemeth has knowledge of this entity? If so do you think she will tie into the whole plan?

Felmeth probably knew about the Elder one for some years now, she knew the blight would happen in DA:O years before it happened and knew Hawke would have a role to play in DA2 (what kind of role is debatable).

[raging_monkey]

Whether the Elder One turns out to be Dumat, Fen'Harel, or some ancient parallel for Satan will be revealed, and the wait is killing me. I do have a question and some food for thought, do you guys think that Flemeth has knowledge of this entity? If so do you think she will tie into the whole plan?

earlier we had a discussion on flemeth relations

A: one theory is that flemeth is the other half to him fighting him for x amount of time in a game of "world chess" to keep balance and minimize the chaos

B:flemeth knows of him but never took action due his benign rather miniscule power level at the time

C: jokingly shes her ex and having a lovers tiff.

The fact flemeth is in DAI again implies "A" but how far they go is unknown

[Ieldra]

Oh i definitely think we will get lore as reward. i think DA knows a lot of its fans are lore freaks. so i think they will give us a good ton. i just want stuff to continue to speculate on.

I hope so, too. One of my goals in my main Warden's playthrough was to unlock every single Codex entry it was possible to get. And I'm still miffed that some were bugged (corrected that with mods) or couldn't be unlocked at all. Unfortunately I was unable to do that in DA2 because I had no way to track what I was still missing.

[Ieldra]

Also, as for the idea that the Elder One is Dumat:

He may be Dumat in the same way that Morrigan's Child is Urthemiel, which means that he has his own personality, goals etc.. but may carry Dumat's essence. In other words, in everything but power they're not the same.

[taviastrife]

earlier we had a discussion on flemeth relations

A: one theory is that flemeth is the other half to him fighting him for x amount of time in a game of "world chess" to keep balance and minimize the chaos

B:flemeth knows of him but never took action due his benign rather miniscule power level at the time

C: jokingly shes her ex and having a lovers tiff.

The fact flemeth is in DAI again implies "A" but how far they go is unknown

See, with what Morrigan said about Flemeth in Witch Hunt, I'm inclined to think option A as well.  She's knows a lot more than what she lets on and manipulates certain situations.  Her motives aren't clear, but she helps who she helps for a big reason.  Perhaps she had something to do with the disappearance of the Warden and Hawke, which might be explained in this game because we saw Hawke in the EoT trailer.

[taviastrife]

More speculation and false lore building!!!    Mainly derived from the theory I suggested earlier.

 

Magic was actually a gift from the Maker to the people of Thedas (mirroring the gift to alter reality that his first children possessed), and it had been misused.  After the First Blight, the Maker revealed himself to Andraste.  While the Elder One's influence over Thedas was the Old Gods, the Maker used Andraste as his influence.  Seeing the greed that the Tevinter Magisters had and struck the deal with Dumat to get to the Black City, the Maker employed Andraste to reign in mages, a punishment for their involvement with the sealed being and allowance of corruption to flow into Thedas.  The Templar Order was established to protect mages from themselves, because they would always be susceptible to the sealed beings calls or influence in some way since magic is connected to the Fade.

 

Anyway, especially if he's going to be like a "satan" / god complex being, I'm thinking that the Elder One has been a part of a major chess game from the beginning and Thedas is the chess board.  He wants to the world to be in chaos, he wanted the Veil to thin to the point where he could breach it.  He's been waiting for the right time to strike, and what better time than a time of political upheaval and a mage/templar rebellion?

 

I'm dying to play the game!!!

[Stronglav]

Flemeth is not who she seems.I don't think she's even human.

She is shows up too just in place and time to influence.

Why did she help Warden?Why did she help Hawke?

Because they both had a major role to play in the events to come.

And she made sure they play it.It's like she is shaping the present for

something to happen in the future.But what?

[Stronglav]

Also Bodahn and Sandal?They help Warden and Hawke.Coincidence?

I don't think so.

[raging_monkey]

See, with what Morrigan said about Flemeth in Witch Hunt, I'm inclined to think option A as well.  She's knows a lot more than what she lets on and manipulates certain situations.  Her motives aren't clear, but she helps who she helps for a big reason.  Perhaps she had something to do with the disappearance of the Warden and Hawke, which might be explained in this game because we saw Hawke in the EoT trailer.

flemeth is a enigma both pyshcially and metaphorically her very existance is a key representation of thedas. Now its possible that she had a hand in protag after events but what her goal are is unknown.

If she is not human nor BM yet not a abomination the only thing possible is a "god" that gained her status through x event(s). Its also possible that the legends are wrong and she is a anchient tevinter that was turned abomination but evolved into something more. Transending mortal limits and labels(uldred claims magi are a larvel form so merging with a spirit is the theorical next step towards evolution imo).