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[Killdren88]

Currently at my local electronics store. Enemies of Thedas trailer played on one of the High def big screens....almost makes me sad I'm playing on PC...key word Almost.

[myahele]

I can't be certain but wasn't kirmwall built atop an ancient elven city or burial ground?

We know it was designed as a giant rune that collects the blood of sacrifices and purposely thins the veil and deep underground lies the primevil thaig. Couldn't it have been possible to cause a massive explosion and create a breach?

[raging_monkey]

I can't be certain but wasn't kirmwall built atop an ancient elven city or burial ground?
We know it was designed as a giant rune that collects the blood of sacrifices and purposely thins the veil and deep underground lies the primevil thaig. Couldn't it have been possible to cause a massive explosion and create a breach?

ell kirkwall was a ****ing mess lol

But really kirkwall was built near a area that for generations thined the veil(due to cory,BM, and other senseless killings) but no elf mound or burials. And idk if it was built as giant rune(source lore junkie says i need ). And i believe the breach happens at the sacred ashes, but thats moot but it is theorectically possibly to sunder the veil anywhere it would be easy in kirkwall due to the minimal at best level of protection for the veil.

Currently at my local electronics store. Enemies of Thedas trailer played on one of the High def big screens....almost makes me sad I'm playing on PC...key word Almost.

for the console race lol jkXD its silly how pc players hate consolers lol

[TTTX]

I can't be certain but wasn't kirmwall built atop an ancient elven city or burial ground?

We know it was designed as a giant rune that collects the blood of sacrifices and purposely thins the veil and deep underground lies the primevil thaig. Couldn't it have been possible to cause a massive explosion and create a breach?

There is a graveyard atop of sundermount, I don't remember any eleven city in the codex or mentioned.

 

As for Kirkwall it was an old slave prison and popular theory the place where the old magisters crossed over to the fade and the city also have a couple of old demons trapped here and there and Cyrp. messing with them.

 

As for the Thaig we don't know exactly where it is underground except that it takes a week to reach it once you get underground in the free marches.

 

But yeah it's possible to create a breach there since the veil is thine much like the forest in DA:O or the black march in DAA.

 

 

But really kirkwall was built near a area that for generations thined the veil(due to cory,BM, and other senseless killings) but no elf mound or burials. And idk if it was built as giant rune(source lore junkie says i need ). And i believe the breach happens at the sacred ashes, but thats moot but it is theorectically possibly to sunder the veil anywhere it would be easy in kirkwall due to the minimal at best level of protection for the veil.

for the console race lol jkXD its silly how pc players hate consolers lol

The breach happens at the sacred temple where the ashes are stored.

 

The pc people, call themselves the "master race". 

[raging_monkey]

There is a graveyard atop of sundermount, I don't remember any eleven city in the codex or mentioned.
 
As for Kirkwall it was an old slave prison and popular theory the place where the old magisters crossed over to the fade and the city also have a couple of old demons trapped here and there and Cyrp. messing with them.
 
As for the Thaig we don't know exactly where it is underground except that it takes a week to reach it once you get underground in the free marches.
 
But yeah it's possible to create a breach there since the veil is thine much like the forest in DA:O or the black march in DAA.
 
 

The breach happens at the sacred temple where the ashes are stored.
 
The pc people, call themselves the "master race".

i do like the idea kirkwall was GZ for the blight explains alot.

And master race has a "extreme political german ideology" contation to it so i just call them "techies" lol

[TTTX]

i do like the idea kirkwall was GZ for the blight explains alot.

And master race has a "extreme political german ideology" contation to it so i just call them "techies" lol

Most people seem to agree Kirkwall is the most likely place for it.

 

Not really, the whole idea behind "master race" is something humans have used among other things to go to war, kill people off they didn't like and other stuff like enslaving and such for thousands of years.

 

The Germans just gave it a name really.

[Kieran G.]

I've never heard the theory about kirkwall but i can believe that the magisters went into the Golden City from there. i mean historically the Magisters used 2/3 of the entire lyrium in the empire and hundreds of servants. i could believe they did this ritual at the Bone Pit. 

[myahele]

Okay, found what I was looking for: Enigma Of Kirwall Codex: http://dragonage.wik...gma_of_Kirkwall

 

Excluding sundermount, barbarians lived in the area of Kirkwall. For whatever reason they they were drawn there for greater reasons than its minaral deposit. Fast-forward they built kirkrwall to look like a giant symbol and built it so that the blood of hundreds of sacrifice can be collected deep underground per year.

 

It was also mentioned that the veil is SO thin underground that demons can freely move about. Also, it seems that this was held as a secret facility, potentially away from Teventer Imperiums knowledge?

 

It also mention the the forbidden ones. And the "Forgotten One"

 

I wonder if the elder one and the "forgotten one" are the same? If so, it seems that the Elder One was at least planning its release before the 1st blight

[Kieran G.]

It also mention the the forbidden ones. And the "Forgotten One"

 

I wonder if the elder one and the "forgotten one" are the same? If so, it seems that the Elder One was at least planning its release before the 1st blight

I don't think we know if he has been planning it that long. and we don't know he has any connection to kirkwall except for the Mage-Templar war.

 

And personally i think the Old Gods are just the Forgotten Ones.

[raging_monkey]

Most people seem to agree Kirkwall is the most likely place for it.
 
Not really, the whole idea behind "master race" is something humans have used among other things to go to war, kill people off they didn't like and other stuff like enslaving and such for thousands of years.
 
The Germans just gave it a name really.

ah i am corrected then.

Okay, found what I was looking for: Enigma Of Kirwall Codex: http://dragonage.wik...gma_of_Kirkwall
 
Excluding sundermount, barbarians lived in the area of Kirkwall. For whatever reason they they were drawn there for greater reasons than its minaral deposit. Fast-forward they built kirkrwall to look like a giant symbol and built it so that the blood of hundreds of sacrifice can be collected deep underground per year.
 
It was also mentioned that the veil is SO thin underground that demons can freely move about. Also, it seems that this was held as a secret facility, potentially away from Teventer Imperiums knowledge?
 
It also mention the the forbidden ones. And the "Forgotten One"
 
I wonder if the elder one and the "forgotten one" are the same? If so, it seems that the Elder One was at least planning its release before the 1st blight

interesting id forgotten about the enigmas... hmm most interesting

[Kieran G.]

ah i am corrected then.

interesting id forgotten about the enigmas... hmm most interesting

The two contexts are a bit contradicting eachother. in the Band of Three the Fell Grimoire is about the Forgotten Ones. but the Fell Grimoire summons a Forbidden One. 

 

Maybe kirkwall is where the blight was started. or maybe its above one of the last old god prisons and the magisters were trying to let him out. but somehow only the taint is strong enough to get them out of their prisons.

[raging_monkey]

The two contexts are a bit contradicting eachother. in the Band of Three the Fell Grimoire is about the Forgotten Ones. but the Fell Grimoire summons a Forbidden One. 
 
Maybe kirkwall is where the blight was started. or maybe its above one of the last old god prisons and the magisters were trying to let him out. but somehow only the taint is strong enough to get them out of their prisons.

its a possibility

[myahele]

It makes me wonder if the magisters that tried to go to the golden city did so in secret and that it wasn't sanctioned by the archons of the time?

Since sundermount is in kirkwall and we know that was where elves were in Uthenera + where they took their last stand against tevinter. We also know they used powerful demons and sealed them. I starting to think ancient elves did seal off the forbidden ones and maybe even the Elder One.

What really got me was the description of the one that attacked the person: not exactly a demon.

[raging_monkey]

It makes me wonder if the magisters that tried to go to the golden city did so in secret and that it wasn't sanctioned by the archons of the time?
Since sundermount is in kirkwall and we know that was where elves were in Uthenera + where they took their last stand against tevinter. We also know they used powerful demons and sealed them. I starting to think ancient elves did seal off the forbidden ones and maybe even the Elder One.
What really got me was the description of the one that attacked the person: not exactly a demon.

give us a tale my friend i like where you going and i would like to know more

[X Equestris]

The two contexts are a bit contradicting eachother. in the Band of Three the Fell Grimoire is about the Forgotten Ones. but the Fell Grimoire summons a Forbidden One. 
 
Maybe kirkwall is where the blight was started. or maybe its above one of the last old god prisons and the magisters were trying to let him out. but somehow only the taint is strong enough to get them out of their prisons.

I've always figured that Kirkwall may have been the place where the Magisters physically entered the Fade.

[Kieran G.]

I've always figured that Kirkwall may have been the place where the Magisters physically entered the Fade.

I can believe that. considering we don't know what it takes to open the Veil so you can physically enter.

 

We only know the Mask of Fen'Harel was able to tear the Veil. so i can believe the Magisters and Archon made a giant city into a huge run that was fueled by blood magic so they could then enter the fade.

[raging_monkey]

If its a giant rune made for BM Im curious why keep magi near it, why dont magi use it, and why is there no records

[myahele]

Maybe its just a type since the forgotten one's are purely Elven  folklore and forbidden one's are more of a human construct. Perhaps we can infer that maybe forgotten ones = forbidden ones?

 

Countless Archon's came and went, while Kirkwall was still doing this. If it were known by the public and Archons at the time, why make it so they stole (manipulated the slave ledger) slaves being imported from Kirkwall?

 

If these scraps of info were able be found after centuries and millenia, just imagine what a freshly sacked Kirkwall had? Assuming such info about Magisters entering the Golden City was discovered and made public, isn't odd that an Archon is not mentioned amongst them? Surely such info would be even more devastating to tevinter.

[raging_monkey]

If it was done in secret blame should been placed on to them. But thats a different issue.

I am also curious about the hidden history of kirkwall mya

[myahele]

I'd love to know where exactly is the Primeval thaig is located.

 

If mount sundermount is where ancient elves used to go to Uthenera and we know the forgotten thaig had those rock wraiths/golems then the only thing I can think of that connects them is immortality and maybe a thin veil

[raging_monkey]

I'd love to know where exactly is the Primeval thaig is located. If mount sundermount is where ancient elves used to go to Uthenera and we know the forgotten thaig had those rock wraiths/golems then the only thing I can think of that connects them is immortality and maybe a thin veil

probalbly the south eastern area of the marches but underground. But that thaig is a odd one both lore and origin im curious on all of it and how red lyrium relates to it

[myahele]

I remember a post noting the similarities with red lyrium and Full Metal Alchemist philosophers stone.

 

Basically, a country created a city in the outline of a "magical symbol" and its citizen within the city/ giant symbol were used as mass sacrifices which then resulted in the immortality of the person that conducted this scheme + the philosophers stone (which is red) that allows for limitless use of "magic"

 

But that was a while back. When you think of it, Dwarve use runes to create what we see in the Orzammer + I am sure some would love to have magical power (and immortality) of the ancient elves. Anyways just a thought

[raging_monkey]

I remember a post noting the similarities with red lyrium and Full Metal Alchemist philosophers stone. Basically, a country created a city in the outline of a "magical symbol" and its citizen within the city/ giant symbol were used as mass sacrifices which then resulted in the immortality of the person that conducted this scheme + the philosophers stone (which is red) that allows for limitless use of "magic" But that was a while back. When you think of it, Dwarve use runes to create what we see in the Orzammer + I am sure some would love to have magical power (and immortality) of the ancient elves. Anyways just a thought

ah the philosopher stone... man's answer to god's plans...what i would give to have that power imagine the power. But if red lyrium is the PS how was it created and can it be replicated safely?

Its a good thought mya! Just finished rewatching brotherhood myself and started thinking of this aswell. You are awsome

[Kieran G.]

Maybe its just a type since the forgotten one's are purely Elven  folklore and forbidden one's are more of a human construct. Perhaps we can infer that maybe forgotten ones = forbidden ones?

No the forbidden ones and forgotten ones aren't the same. we have killed 2 Forbidden ones and have met 1. they wouldn't be so forgotten if we met them so often.

[myahele]

Ah, glad you know of FMA. Father almost reminds me of the Elder One. He is noted by his extreme arrogance, but it's not pride due to getting rid of that aspect. Is the EO the proginator of demons like another poster speculated?

 

Or is it the band of 3 accidental releasing the 4 "forbidden ones" that caused this. xenbeckck(?) was doing his own thing leading people to him to die (dao). then ther was the unbound deep in kirkwal. then there's imshael  seal by the dalish. the formless one is really all that remains.

 

At the very least, one isn't quite a demon (Flemeth original perhaps?)

 

The thing about the "forgotten ones" that we "killed" is that they were really forgotten by the rest of the world. I could be wrong but the 1st one in DAO was luring people in a trap, DA was undergound protecting the fell grimoire, Imshael was sealed until crazy elves wanted his power.