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[Hibernating]

Glad there is no numbers on how many females from Lothering went into the deep roads.........

 

Imagine if Denerim fell

[DuskWanderer]

Given how many Tal-Vashoth there are, that they employ qamek for everyone who doesn't follow, I highly doubt the society would be any good. Qunari believe that they are perfect, so there is no reason for them to change or adapt. 

[LastSonOfTitan]

In relation to the comments about how qunari deal with blights; could it be possible that had the qunari made contact early enough (and invaded Thedas), that Tevinter magisters might not have caused the blights in the first place?

[Feybrad]

I think, to answer that Question properly, we have to shed our own modern Perspective.

 

From a modern, western Viewpoint, where we are accustomed to having our basic Needs (like for Example: regular Meals, clean Water, medical Attention and a Place to stay) fulfilled, the Qun of course does not have much merit.

 

But, for the Inhabitants of Thedas, where most of them are not able to have their basic Needs fulfilled and live under Circumstances worse than People of today can imagine (if we set the Standard of the high middle Ages for most of Thedas). If the average human Peasant of Orlais or Ferelden has even one Meal per Day and a Source of fresh Water near his or her little Hut, they can consider themselves very lucky. Additionally, they often suffer abuse from the ruling Class or other equally superiorly powerful Groups. The most advanced form of medical Attention the Peasant will get may be the old Lady who knows about Herbs. Most even don't have the Choice to leave this Life (I would cite the regular Dwarf as an Example that goes beyond "the orlesian Farmer"), due to lack of Things to invest, like Money. If we are optimistic, we can say that the Peasant has Choice in who to marry, but in the high middle Ages, this was not regular at all.

 

Now let us look at the Qun. They do have the strongest individual military Presence of all individual Nations in Thedas, it can thus be expected that the Level of Security within their Borders is higher than the Rest. Due to their advanced Technology and the complimenting Climate, they are probably able to have a significantly more profitable Harvest than the Nations of southern Thedas. They have more advanced medical Knowledge than all of Thedas and are thus able to provide better Health Insurance for their People, regardless of how bad their Methods would look like compared to our modern Ones.

The Qunari care for their People. I mean this in the Sense of that they make sure, everyone's basic Needs are fulfulliled and that they are fully able to do their Role. And yes, no one has a Choice of his Role - but that is not ncessarily a bad Thing as their Role will be what they are best suited for. This is more than most ordinary People in the Rest of Thedas have. Moreover, inside the Qun you will not suffer from Abuse. There are no Rulers and there is no Racism - everyone has the same Rights. That is also unique for Thedas.

The Fact that you have your sexual Partners chosen for you may be a Downside, but remember: the Qun does not have anything to say about romantic Relationships (aka. the ones where Emotion is involved). For someone who grew up in the Qun, there will be no emotional Ties towards Sex and Offspring. It may sound very cold to say that, but for a Qunari Sex is nothing more than Work (albeit rather pleasant Work) and Offspring is nothing they ever actually acknowledge, not to speak of having any emotional Connection to them.

 

There are only two Groups of People that would not be happy with the Qun: Nobles and Mages.

Why Mages would not be happy with the Qun, doesn't need to be said. But, take that with Caution, as we do not know how the "everyday Life" of a Saarebas looks like. Still, the Fact that they are chained (and in extreme Cases only! have their Lips stitched together), as well as their Lack of Privacy, makes their Life significantly worse than that of any other Qunari.

Nobles would obviously not like the Qun, because they are the Ones that do not suffer Abuse and have all their needs already catered to. They have all the Choices (except who to marry, take note) and these would obviously get taken away from them. They would be "only" the same as everybody else.

 

In the End, while a monder Viewpoint could obviously easily imagine better societal Systems than the Qun, from those that exist in Thedas, it is in my Opinion clearly the one that ensures the most for it's Followers. Of all Places in Thedas, a Qunari has the most safe and healthy Life, with all his basic Needs catered to. I would even say, if you are not a Mage, you would even have the happiest Life in the Qun if you manage to be content to do, what you are actually good at. Remember, you do not have emotional Ties to Relatives or Sex and Things like Friendship or romantic Interest are not concerned by the Qun as far as we know.

 

So yes, I do think that a "worldwide Qun" would be the best of all Options Thedas has at the Moment. There are better Systems, but Thedosians do largely not know them.

[Navasha]

No.   Humans and elves are not ants.   The Qun, or any collectivist society, is basically the antithesis of our normal instinctual nature.    It can never work except through the use of oppressive violent force and fear.  

 

Make no mistake the Qun is an oppressive society ruled through brainwashing, fear, and tyranny.   People like their individuality, they don't like being just a number.    Any system of society is better than the Qun.   All Qunari under the Qun are slaves to the system whether they 'think' they are willing or not.    People some how see some system of enforced equality and think ... "That's great!".    Trust me... you wouldn't want to live like that! 

[BellPeppers&Beef023]

I despise the Qun as much as the Thalmor (Skyrim), maybe. I also would have been be utterly terrified of the Qunari, if my playable protagonist isn't some god-slaying badass every single time. So no, the only good Qun is an annihilated Qun.

[SgtSteel91]

Would a worldwide qun be a good thing?

 

Not for the Mages, that's for sure.

[DarthLaxian]

Just a thought, but from my experience of qunari characters (Sten, Tallis, etc) Thedas-wide qun doesn't seem all that terrible. Most qunari seems content with their place - even mages. Everyone has a purpose and the qun seems to be based around understanding rather than blind belief which appeals to me.

 

I certainly prefer it to the zealots in the Chantry. What are your thoughts on the subject?

 

Well, if that ever happens, I hope they are offering us the chance to resist and blow those damned communist borg up -.-

 

Sorry, but the Qun is in no way, shape or form "good" - it's a communist tyranny that does not leave its' citizens any freedoms or choices (not even family/love remains...*shakes his head and sighs* - how can someone be that blind to think that that is good?)

 

greetings LAX

ps: I'd rather be dirt poor and live in a slum while still having freedoms (and choices - because those at least represent the chance of becoming something, of changing your sob-story into something good) than living a "content" (it's nice to be content, if you get dragged of by the religious STASI/GESTAPO-Like religious police) without any choices what so ever, just a worker drone nobody cares about

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I assume Sten was kidding about the executions. That would be incredibly wasteful. And everyone agrees that the Qunari do not waste lives. It also is exactly the type of thing he might say given his deadpan sense of humor.

[TheJediSaint]

I assume Sten was kidding about the executions. That would be incredibly wasteful. And everyone agrees that the Qunari do not waste lives. It also is exactly the type of thing he might say given his deadpan sense of humor.

It's not wasteful if the make the bodies into soylent green to feed to the better behaved Qunari.

[SgtSteel91]

Worldwide Qun reminds me of the Equality Ending in Devil Survivor 2. It may sound nice but can it prosper without ambition, a competitive spirt, a drive to outdo one another and excel? That seems to be how innovation and new ideas come about. You may not have that in a society where everyone is the same; thinking the same. And what about people who don't like the role they has been arbitrarily given to them?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It's not wasteful if the make the bodies into soylent green to feed to the better behaved Qunari.

 

Of course it is. That's much less useful than living Qunari still doing their jobs for the rest of their lives. Sten and Fenris tell you outright that the Qunari waste nothing and Sten says "And few things are more valuable than lives."

[Gwydden]

I have never seen a more spectacular hissy-fit over a lost book before.

Obviously you don't know me.

I am wondering if the Qun is as strictly enforced as it first appears. It wouldn't surprise me if sex still happens for recreation purposes.

 

Either that or the Qunari have some REALLY good drugs and alcohol for their celebrations to be any fun.

Maybe that's what Sten was referring to when he said qunari parties could get wild and out of control 

[Panda]

Naah. Freedom for religion... and all other freedoms and rights that Qun takes away are nice to have. Like freedom to fall in love and have family? Freedom to chose what you want to be and do in your life? Idk, those seem like important things to me.

[The Baconer]

There are only two Groups of People that would not be happy with the Qun: Nobles and Mages.

 

Or people that believe in the Maker. Or the Creators. Or people who venerate the Paragons.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Or anyone who wants to marry for love or raise their own children or have recreational sex or decide their own profession or anyone who enjoys wealth.

[X Equestris]

Ogres are Qunari based forms.  Just saying...... Darkspawn already are fully aware of Qunari, Qunari however are not. They would get decimated just as much as anyone else against Darkspawn. However, only one play through out of a dozen did I allow a chance for a 6th Blight according to the epilogues, most says Darkspawn are rarely seen anymore in deep roads and Wardens are having issues even finding them.

The ogres probably come from women from the Kossith colony in the Korcari Wilds that existed before the First Blight. Any other qunari broodmothers would have come from Vashoth or Tal-Vashoth women captured in darkspawn surface raids.

[LastSonOfTitan]

In regards to freedom - do the majority of people living in Thedas have true freedom? A lot of them will simply be subject to the whims of their liege lords, kings, viscounts, dukes etc. The majority would be no worse of under the qun, in fact they would probably enjoy a larger degree of equality.

 

 

Or anyone who wants to marry for love or raise their own children or have recreational sex or decide their own profession or anyone who enjoys wealth.

 

And are passion and wealth not the two largest factors when it comes to crime? Maybe the qunari realize this?

[Andraste_Reborn]

Or anyone who wants to marry for love or raise their own children or have recreational sex or decide their own profession or anyone who enjoys wealth.

 

Or anyone who doesn't want to have children with whoever the Tamassaran picks out for them, or anybody who doesn't want to have sex at all, or any woman who doesn't want to get pregnant on command.

 

(Of all the things I'd hate about the Qun, that would be at the top of my list.)

[Navasha]

..or anyone who doesn't want to under the constant watch of the Ben-Hassereth listening for any whispers of non-compliance.

..or anyone who just simply doesn't want to work

..or anyone who who is too infirm to contribute their share of productivity.

 

Think of basically ANYTHING you love to do and it would be outlawed under penalty of brainwashing/death under the Qun.

 

You wake, you eat, you work...  Its little more than a life in a forced labor camp. 

[X Equestris]

In regards to freedom - do the majority of people living in Thedas have true freedom? A lot of them will simply be subject to the whims of their liege lords, kings, viscounts, dukes etc. The majority would be no worse of under the qun, in fact they would probably enjoy a larger degree of equality.
 
 

 
And are passion and wealth not the two largest factors when it comes to crime? Maybe the qunari realize this?

Some people value being able to love whoever they want, or make their lives better through hard work. The Qun destroys their ability to do that. The people of Thedas may not have the freedom that we do, but the Qun has far, far less. This whole discussion obviously rests on if you value freedom or security more. I would rather have freedom than security. You might feel the opposite.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Depends for who if you aren't mage and you are member of their society you will get good treatment without abuse also qunari is only society in thedas have equality regardless of race also have low level corruption and then they are most productive society.So no if you aren't mage and you are ready pay your freedom qunari wouldn't be that bad. Personally i wouldn't join them however but i could see oppressed masses would have something in it.

[LastSonOfTitan]

Some people value being able to love whoever they want, or make their lives better through hard work. The Qun destroys their ability to do that. The people of Thedas may not have the freedom that we do, but the Qun has far, far less. This whole discussion obviously rests on if you value freedom or security more. I would rather have freedom than security. You might feel the opposite.

 

To be honest I just want to know what you guys think, there are some things I like about the qun, some things I detest, just like the other cultures.

[Wulfram]

I'd rather the darkspawn just ate everyone

[Giant ambush beetle]

The rigidity of the Qun would not be very effective, revolutionary inventions and sudden groundbreaking inspirations usually come from people that have chosen their own path and their perfect environment for their ideas.

Imagine Newton living under the Qun, maybe he would have been forced into the role of a farmer for the rest of his life. Things like that would happen all the time in the Qun, simply giving people roles after some rough evaluation of their skills doesn't work at all.