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[Bayonet Hipshot]

There was something odd about Templars, especially from DA2 onwards.

 

They no longer drain mana when attacking mages.

 

They no longer use any anti-mage abilities like they did in Origins with Holy Smite. Which is strange because DA 2 Templar specialization had abilities like Silence. 

 

I am saying this as a guy who plays mage a lot and is pro-mage. They definitely wussified Templars in DA 2 and they seem to be that way in DA I as well. 

 

Which is sad really....

 

As for good Templars..I don't think the good Templars are Templars any more. I mean with the Mage-Templar War and Red Templars, I don't see people who I would consider as good Templars such as Evangeline or Gregoir being part of Templars. Most likely the good Templars have formed a splinter faction of their own in DA I

[Willowhugger]

As for good Templars..I don't think the good Templars are Templars any more. I mean with the Mage-Templar War and Red Templars, I don't see people who I would consider as good Templars such as Evangeline or Gregoir being part of Templars. Most likely the good Templars have formed a splinter faction of their own in DA I

 

Evangeline is a Pro-Mage Templar and an Abomination/Spirit Templar or whatever we're calling them so she's not a Templar anymore.

 

However, I don't think the Templar faction is going to be Meredith-lite. I think we're going to see the Qunari-Geth situation. The Templars are fighting the Mages because they think they're protecting the population from rampaging mages while the Mages think they're fighting the Templars because of FREEDOM but both are killing a lot of innocent people as collateral.

 

From Gregoir's perspective, the Mages are in revolt and possibly evil. Lambert was EVIL but he's dead so reasonable templars may have taken over.

 

I think the Red Templars are the "kill all Mages everywhere" psychopaths. Also, hopelessly corrupted by Red Lyrium.

 

So Red Templars are the Templars version of Blood Mages.

[themageguy]

Evangeline and Cullen, in my opinion, are the finest examples of Templars. They are fair in their duty, despite whatever atrocities they've seen extremist mages commit, they can also see the good in the innocent magi.

I think in relation to the topic question, that yes of course there will be good Templars, as most Templars are good to begin with.
There is really no bad or good side when it comes to Templars and mages. We've seen some horrible acts committed by both factions, but the acts of those extremists or sadists should not to be applied to the whole faction, just those individuals and groups who have committed such foul acts.

I feel sorry for the Templars who have turned to red lyrium. Seeing what it does to people in dragon age 2, and the behemoths and lyrium encrusted Templars we've seen in gameplay trailers and footage, that must be a horrid transformation. I also find it interesting that these Templars, who enforce the rules of magic use, have turned to such a dangerous form of magical power.

Red lyrium shares vary similar dangers to malevolent applications of blood magic, abusing the power can result in the loss of self and endanger the innocent.

I look forward to rolling a Templar in Inquisition, in addition to my Reaver, knight enchanter and rift Mage inquisitors.

[Willowhugger]

I'm a Pro-Mage extremist but I think anyone who thinks this war's victims won't be the common people of the world are wrong.

[Elite Midget]

I doubt all the Red Templars willingly submitted to the Red Lyrium. I'm sure some were forced into using it due to circumstance, by a commanding Templar, or even their own comrades.

 

So we may run into some unwilling Red Templars who may ask you to kill them to spare them from the madness.

 

[MisterJB]

This picture is interesting.

The ones kneeling; and not just kneeling but rather using their sword for emphasys; are obviously Templars but if you pay close attention, those are Circle mages behind them. We know they are Circle mages because they are using the same equipment the Circle mages in the Dwarf Demo were using.

So, what does this mean? Could this possibly be the moment where the Inquisitor supports the Templars against the mages and they swear allegiance to him? Or maybe this is a moment where the Inquisition uses his authority to protect mages and the Templars have no choice but to comply.

No one has any thoughts on this?

[Willowhugger]

Not really.

I'm assuming we're going to get a lot of opportunities to save or kill mages.

[Star fury]

IMO a good templar will execute any mage that did not say "Maker bless you" when he sneezed, use the Rite of Tranquility on hot and young female mages.and stay as far as possible from any fight with abominations and demons. We'll see if the Red Templars are close to this ideal.

[themageguy]

IMO a good templar will execute any mage that did not say "Maker bless you" when he sneezed, use the Rite of Tranquility on hot and young female mages.and stay as far as possible from any fight with abominations and demons. We'll see if the Red Templars are close to this ideal.

I'd like to see behemoth vs a pride demon. That would be awesome. Whether I'm a Templar, knight enchanter or a first, I'm egging that fight on.

As a Reaver on the other hand, I'll be trying to fight them both at once lol

[HaHa365]

No one has any thoughts on this?

Well we already know that we will be impacting the Mage-Templar War and rumor has it, we will be ending the conflict. It would only make sense for one side to comply with the Inquisition.

[Master Warder Z_]

Evangeline is a

TRAITOR!

First and foremost.



-_-''

Oh i'll take her away, take her away from this plain of existance!

[Hellion Rex]

No one has any thoughts on this?

What's interesting to me is that the Templars have some interesting headgear. But also, what attracts my interest is the light emanating from where the Templars' swords hit the ground, cause you see the light shooting upwards. It reminds me of that aura thing Evangeline could summon. Those Templars look like they are using power for some reason. As for the mages, I assume they are also pledging allegiance to you, perhaps. But, based on the direction that both factions are facing, I think they are working together.

[Milan92]

Maybe this a moment where you managed to end the war and gained the support of both the templars and the mages.

 

Instead of just one side?

[Star fury]

Maybe this a moment where you managed to end the war and gained the support of both the templars and the mages.

 

Instead of just one side?

Where's the fun in that?

[SnakeCode]

Depends on what is meant by "good" I don't consider good templars to be the ones that always side with the mages ahead of their own brethren (I'm looking at you Eva and Thrask.) 

 

I would certainly hope that Bioware don't pull another ME3 Cerberus on us, and make all lf the templars mustashe twirling villains (though I can sadly see this happening.)

 

I hope there are templars that don't want to go to war, who don't hate mages but still stand for the ideals of the templar order. Rather thsn siding with the mages again.

[Star fury]

Depends on what is meant by "good" I don't consider good templars to be the ones that always side with the mages ahead of their own brethren (I'm looking at you Eva and Thrask.) 

 

I would certainly hope that Bioware don't pull another ME3 Cerberus on us, and make all lf the templars mustashe twirling villains (though I can sadly see this happening.)

 

I hope there are templars that don't want to go to war, who don't hate mages but still stand for the ideals of the templar order. Rather thsn siding with the mages again.

 

Cerberus were villains in ME1 and ME3, that makes their ME2 version only an exception. You should better see how Bioware resolved the Geth - Quarian conflict. Anything better than DA2 portrayal of both mages and templars would be a progress.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Evangaline sounds like she's a good person, but she's not an example of a good person and a good templar if she's actively helping the mage rebellion.

[Willowhugger]

Evangaline sounds like she's a good person, but she's not an example of a good person and a good templar if she's actively helping the mage rebellion.

The issue is Evangeline interpreted her duty as a Templar to protect mages from the common folk AS WELL AS the reverse.

[SnakeCode]

The issue is Evangeline interpreted her duty as a Templar to protect mages from the common folk AS WELL AS the reverse.

She also ups and joins the mage rebellion with her mage boyfriend. However she interpreted her duty, I don't think she was being a good templar by the end of asunder.

[Willowhugger]

She also ups and joins the mage rebellion with her mage boyfriend. However she interpreted her duty, I don't think she was being a good templar by the end of asunder.

I don't think anyone is being a good mage or a good Templar at the end of Asunder. After all, it's hard to say the Templars are doing their vows right to protect the Mages if they're trying to kill them.

The Templars have a duty to both common folk and the Mages remember.

 

So it's them becoming oathbreakers either way.

[Mistic]

I don't think anyone is being a good mage or a good Templar at the end of Asunder. After all, it's hard to say the Templars are doing their vows right to protect the Mages if they're trying to kill them.

The Templars have a duty to both common folk and the Mages remember.

 

So it's them becoming oathbreakers either way.

 

They have to choose. And historically mages have proved to be more dangerous than mundanes if left alone. I can't blame Templars for choosing that in the face of war. It was to be expected.

 

I can blame the Seekers, though (except Cassandra and her company). The war began because of a Seeker, not a Templar.

[Willowhugger]

They have to choose. And historically mages have proved to be more dangerous than mundanes if left alone. I can't blame Templars for choosing that in the face of war. It was to be expected.

 

I can blame the Seekers, though (except Cassandra and her company). The war began because of a Seeker, not a Templar.

 

Even if I support Mage freedom, I understand the Templar's position.

 

I just think they're kind of trapped.

Even if they win again, it won't do anything but start things on a ticking block back to where they were at the start.

[Asdrubael Vect]

"Good" here means they are neither red Templars nor a member of the faction that follows Lambert. Something like Cassandra and Cullen's case.

Unfortunately we will be forced to have Cassandra/Lelianna Seekers and Kirkwall butchers-Cullen Templars 

 

there is never was and would be "good" Templars and Seekers, they was not created and  have absolute rights given them by Chantry to do good things, only kill and inprison "heretics", mages and protect Orlais Chantry and Orlais Empire/Orlais Chantry loyal nobles from heretics and mages when they do bad things against "heretics" and mages what is considerate and propagandized by Orlais Chantry as Makers will...they just expensive stupid drug addicted fanatics with swords who must do anything what Orlais Chantry would told to them

 

the only good and  real Orlais Chantry Templar was Carver(friend of Malkolm Hawke) and Trask who have mage daughter who was killed because of Templars and he help others mages and plan to stop Meredith and her Cullen who have opportunity to do all what they wanted because Elthina does support them by doing nothing(even then Viscont son was killed she does not care and do anything) and even disobey Divine word

[Willowhugger]

Unfortunately we will be forced to have Cassandra/Lelianna Seekers and Kirkwall butchers-Cullen Templars 

 

there is never was and would be "good" Templars and Seekers, they was not created and  have absolute rights to do good things, only kill and inprison "heretics", mages and protect Orlais Chantry and Orlais Empire/Orlais Chantry loyal nobles from them when they do bad things against "heretics" and mages...they just stupid drug addicted fanatics with swords who must do anything what Orlais Chantry would told to them

 

the only good and  real Orlais Chantry Templar was Trask, he have mage daughter who was killed because of Templars and he help others mages and plan to stop Meredith and her Cullen who have opportunity to do all what they wanted because Elthina does support them bu doing nothing and even disobey Divine word

 

I think there were more good Templars.

Remember the blind one from the Alienage in Origins?

The Templars should be out there hunting evil in general.

 

Instead, they ended up being jailers.
 

Of course, I don't deny it that there ARE a lot of evil mages too. Not just because of the Circle either.

Mostly because people are [censored] in Thedas in general.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The issue is Evangeline interpreted her duty as a Templar to protect mages from the common folk AS WELL AS the reverse.

 

Yeah but by fighting for the Mage rebellion against the Templars and Chantry she is abandoning the second half of that duty.