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[AventuroLegendary]

The Empire isn't a hostage. They shouldn't have signed the treaty.

 

They were certain Hammerfell would lose, so they gave up on them. Then shocker, Hammerfell pushed the Thalmor back. If the Empire had held, they could have beaten the Thalmor back with the Bretons, Nords and Redguards supporting them. Also the Dark Elf/Argonian refugees in Skyrim would've probably been treated better since Ulfric wouldn't have started the war.

 

 

The Empire is a hostage. Several NPCs (including that preacher guy) outright say it. At the time of the treaty, the Thalmor had another totally-not-destroyed army waiting in Sumerset. 

 

And Hammerfell did win with severe casualties. But picture this. Redguards, being a desert people, use skirmishing and hit and run tactics against their enemies. The main Imperial and Nord forces use tight formations and infantry. Guess which one excels against Destruction magic.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

And Hammerfell has the strongest navy on Tamriel, which undoubtedly wrecked havoc on Dominion supply lines. 

Skyrim has not been shown to have any form of a navy. The Thalmor could easily land a huge army at Northwatch Keep. 

[Pateu]

Well, you'd expect the Empire to adapt.

 

The Thalmor could easily land a huge army at Northwatch Keep.

 

Then the Dovahkiin, Paartunax, Odahviing and the ghost dragon can roast all of them.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Well, you'd expect the Empire to adapt.

 

Then the Dovahkiin, Paartunax, Odahviing and the ghost dragon can roast all of them.

Small problem with that. Paarthurnax follows something called the Way of the Voice. Which is theoretically pacifistic. The Dragons would either not give a **** if they don't follow Paarthrunax, or are trying to be pacifists if they do. 

And two dragons and the dragonborn can't defend against an army upwards of ten thousand of highly trained warrior mages. 

[Pateu]

Small problem with that. Paarthurnax follows something called the Way of the Voice. Which is theoretically pacifistic. The Dragons would either not give a **** if they don't follow Paarthrunax, or are trying to be pacifists if they do. 

And two dragons and the dragonborn can't defend against an army upwards of ten thousand of highly trained warrior mages. 

 

Ships tend to burn easily, that was my point.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Ships tend to burn easily, that was my point.

Ice magic solves the issue. 

Of course, this assumes the DB knows they're coming. Which, as Skyrim has no navy and thus no scouts on the ocean, s/he won't. 

Or the Dragonborn could side with the Dominion. 

[RobRam10]

An Independent Skyrim would just crumble against the vile Dominion, only through the Empire can we wipe the Thalmor plague from the face of Tamriel!

For Emperor and Empire!

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

The Thalmor could easily land a huge army at Northwatch Keep. 

Unlikely in my mind. I'm sure they could send a sizable force into Skyrim, but not by sea. Their navy would have to go past Hammerfell and Daggerfall, both of whom are unaligned with the Dominion. That would be a really long journey to make and since there's no friendly ports in sight, their navy wouldn't have anywhere to go to restock on supplies.

[Steelcan]

Unlikely in my mind. I'm sure they could send a sizable force into Skyrim, but not by sea. Their navy would have to go past Hammerfell and Daggerfall, both of whom are unaligned with the Dominion. That would be a really long journey to make and since there's no friendly ports in sight, their navy wouldn't have anywhere to go to restock on supplies.

in addition to the natural riskiness of Skyrim's coast, ice, rocks, fog, etc..

[Steelcan]

Well, given that

a) I played as a Nord

I generally prefer to side with rebels/independence movements because it gives me an opportunity to loudly yell "FREEDOM!"

c) I hate Elder Scrolls elves as much as Ulfric does

d) the Empire started off the game trying to execute me

 

siding with the Stormcloaks was pretty much a no-brainer for me.

I like your new Avi

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Unlikely in my mind. I'm sure they could send a sizable force into Skyrim, but not by sea. Their navy would have to go past Hammerfell and Daggerfall, both of whom are unaligned with the Dominion. That would be a really long journey to make and since there's no friendly ports in sight, their navy wouldn't have anywhere to go to restock on supplies.

Hammerfell is independent, and has a large amount of independent merchants. If the Dominion has the money to pay for new supplies, it's not unlikely someone is willing to make money and give it to them. I would, for a fair price. 

 

in addition to the natural riskiness of Skyrim's coast, ice, rocks, fog, etc..

The area around Northwatch keep has shallow water and is safe enough for someone in a rowboat to cross. 

[Steelcan]

 

The area around Northwatch keep has shallow water and is safe enough for someone in a rowboat to cross. 

a single rowboat isn't a massive fleet that would be needed to ferry an invasion force

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

a single rowboat isn't a massive fleet that would be needed to ferry an invasion force

You're right. The fleet would have a far easier time going through the storms that would pose the only threat the area. 

Northwatch Keep would make a great landing site. 

[Steelcan]

You're right. The fleet would have a far easier time going through the storms that would pose the only threat the area. 

Northwatch Keep would make a great landing site. 

<.<

 

a fleet in a storm fares poorly historically see the Spanish Armada

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

<.<

 

a fleet in a storm fares poorly historically see the Spanish Armada

That's a given. 

But a rowboat fares a lot worse. 

[Steelcan]

That's a given. 

But a rowboat fares a lot worse. 

generally yes, and given Skyrim's weather, including fog and such, and a seaborne invasion looks riskier and riskier

[Snore]

Yay a chance to use my Elder Scrolls knowledge since civil war threads on the Bethesda fourm are long dead.  

The Empire isn't a hostage. They shouldn't have signed the treaty.

 

They were certain Hammerfell would lose, so they gave up on them. Then shocker, Hammerfell pushed the Thalmor back. If the Empire had held, they could have beaten the Thalmor back with the Bretons, Nords and Redguards supporting them. Also the Dark Elf/Argonian refugees in Skyrim would've probably been treated better since Ulfric wouldn't have started the war.

 

They didn't give up on Hammerfell because of the reason you stated.The Empire recalled the legions because the Dominion had invaded Cyrodiil and ransacked the Imperial city. The Dominion was surprised how easily they had cut a path through Cyrodiil which led them to put more resources into taking Cyrodiil instead of Hammerfell which was their original goal.  This led to the Dominion's army in Hammerfell shorthanded to combat the Redguards/Imperials.  Hammerfell also received help the Legion General who was recalled to Cyrodiil by giving them troops that were discharged. Also the Empire in their eyes couldn't stand against the Dominion due to them suffering huge losses and their loss of the Blades also played greatly in them surrendering. 

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

generally yes, and given Skyrim's weather, including fog and such, and a seaborne invasion looks riskier and riskier

But it's possible, and once the invasion lands, it's all but over for Skyrim. Solitude would fall easily to a flanking invasion, and everything would go downhill from there. 

[Steelcan]

But it's possible, and once the invasion lands, it's all but over for Skyrim. Solitude would fall easily to a flanking invasion, and everything would go downhill from there. 

perhaps, but a nasty guerrilla campaign would certainly follow, and given how hard maintaining logistics to Skyrim would be it could easily become too expensive or logitically impossible to continue the invasion for any length of time

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

perhaps, but a nasty guerrilla campaign would certainly follow, and given how hard maintaining logistics to Skyrim would be it could easily become too expensive or logitically impossible to continue the invasion for any length of time

If they take Solitude, they have an major industrial base and population center to use. 

There are trees to cut down for fletching, plenty of food, and viable mines. And the only necessity is the food, as Dominion soldiers a talented mages. Game mechanics aside, getting blasted in the face with a fireball or lightning bolt will kill you.

And there wouldn't be a guerilla campaign following. Ulfric would have to lead a standing army across the nation from Windhelm and the southern border, and Haafingar is a easily defensible from an attack from the east. 

[Steelcan]

Why wouldn't there be a guerrilla campaign? The Stormcloaks are fighting tooth and nail against the Empire, a thalmor invasion would swell their ranks with volunteers

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Why wouldn't there be a guerrilla campaign? The Stormcloaks are fighting tooth and nail against the Empire, a thalmor invasion would swell their ranks with volunteers

The same reason there wasn't a huge guerrilla campaign against the Allies invading Germany. All the people who would be fighting are with the standing army. 

Sure, there would be a resistance. But Nordic farmers and townsmen don't stand much of a chance at all against a Dominion army, seeing as they can't do much against the regular Thalmor agents taking out people here and there.  

And this is assuming that the Empire lost the war in Skyrim, and doesn't intervene. In all likelyhood, as soon as the Dominion invades Skyrim, the Empire is starting the war against them at the Cyrodiil/Valenwood border. 

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

An invasion of Skyrim seems nonsensical no matter how the Thalmor could strategize it. It's really a minimal gain situation for them that would cost a lot of resources and manpower. A naval invasion just isn't feasible without access to friendly ports in Daggerfall and Hammerfell. They would need the support of the nobility, as merchants certainly don't have the power to give the Thalmor naval access. I doubt either the Crowns nor the Forebears want to see Skyrim fall.

 

Attacking from the south would be very difficult since Skyrim is almost entirely surrounded by mountains. Many of their cities are very well fortified. Taking Solitude alone would be one hell of a siege.

 

And since the Altmer live so far south they aren't prepared to handle the brutal winters of Skyrim. The guerrilla warfare, the attrition, and the harsh climate would practically cripple any army that managed to get into the interior of Skyrim.

 

Wow, writing about a hypothetical invasion of an imaginary land. I think I've been playing too much Crusader Kings 2 and Europa Universalis 4.