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[TheTechnoTurian]

well, if hack glitching and pizzarunning are cheating I am okay with all my solos being deleted from the HOF, would be easier just to wipe them all then sort out which ones have those exploits and which don't.

[FireRider100]

Cheat or clever use of game mechanics ? That is the question...

 

It's clear from the game design that you should be in the hack circle when hacking and forced to walk when pizza delivering.

 

well, if hack glitching and pizzarunning are cheating I am okay with all my solos being deleted from the HOF, would be easier just to wipe them all then sort out which ones have those exploits and which don't.

 

That's a step too far, probably easier to mark which ones are using the exploits.

I enjoyed the asari vanguard video; picking up tips on how to play that character by using the combo of acolyte to strip shields, prime for fire explosion, biotic charge a phantom and if still enemy not dead throw a grenade. I was waving the TechnoTurian happy flag whilst watching that and then the dismay of using an exploit on the wave 10 objective. I don't know why exceptional players do this...

[Knockingbr4in]

Clever use of game mechanics ≠ cheating

[TheTechnoTurian]

It's clear from the game design that you should be in the hack circle when hacking and forced to walk when pizza delivering.
 

 
That's a step too far, probably easier to mark which ones are using the exploits.
I enjoyed the asari vanguard video; picking up tips on how to play that character by using the combo of acolyte to strip shields, prime for fire explosion, biotic charge a phantom and if still enemy not dead throw a grenade. I was waving the TechnoTurian happy flag whilst watching that and then the dismay of using an exploit on the wave 10 objective. I don't know why exceptional players do this...

Well, I am glad that you enjoyed the asari vanguard video. sorry about the hack glitch, these days I often do it without thinking because my goal is merely to see the fastest time that I am capable of getting, and even 30 seconds here or there from walking a pizza instead of running it might be disappointing to me. I don't think my gameplay or my videos are exceptional, I just play and post videos for fun anyway. if it's viewed as cheating or my solos are not valid in the eyes of others, oh well.

[TheTechnoTurian]

Geth Infiltrator 
 
Areksto | March 15 2015 | 29:39 | White | Collectors | Piranha, Scorpion
 
This solo was easy, the collectors are very straightforward, yet paradoxically quite annoying and slow. Either way, I want to sub-30 each faction so that's that, just got to do the Geth. 
 
After this I did a Fury solo against Cerberus and yet somehow forgot to screencap. :/

At 826pm you told me you uninstalled the game, I see the timestamp on this post is two hours later. You did good, Quarian. I'm proud of you.

[Mordokai]

Amazing work with Valkyrie Techno! Those waves seven and nine were pretty brutal, I see... had me biting my nails for a while there. But you managed to plow through the adversity. Well done indeed!

 

I think she's deadlier with Venom... but she is so much sexier with Raider

 

I'll watch the rest of your videos over the weekend, when I have unlimited access to net. But I just had to see that one right now.

 

Thanks for sharing

[Prestacious]

Honestly, i think at this point most who solo make clever use of in-game mechanics. In fact, it's a skill to do so well. When you're going for speed, those extra few seconds matter. (Sure, Pres, then why doesn't everyone just missile glitch. Not the same thing.)  Maybe it wasn't initially intended, but they've become a part of the game and I've accepted this. I don't usually do them in team games (well, I don't play anymore anyway, but I didn't when I did), but I did when soloing unless a specific requirement stated not to. People are of mixed opinion on the topic and that's fine. Just my opinion. I definitely think all of Techno's solos are valid, as are all the others in this thread.

[Loufi]

well, if hack glitching and pizzarunning are cheating I am okay with all my solos being deleted from the HOF, would be easier just to wipe them all then sort out which ones have those exploits and which don't.

A good part of mine would be too, and more generally a good part of all the solos.

 

It's clear from the game design that you should be in the hack circle when hacking and forced to walk when pizza delivering.

 

 

That's a step too far, probably easier to mark which ones are using the exploits.

I enjoyed the asari vanguard video; picking up tips on how to play that character by using the combo of acolyte to strip shields, prime for fire explosion, biotic charge a phantom and if still enemy not dead throw a grenade. I was waving the TechnoTurian happy flag whilst watching that and then the dismay of using an exploit on the wave 10 objective. I don't know why exceptional players do this...

Or isn't a hack supposed to be... hacked ?  The boundary between cheating and clever use of game mechanics is subjective and very thin. Beating the game by means discovered by players and not intended by the developers is IMO part of this community knowledge and of the players' skills. Using RHA, reload cancel, slopes to prevent sync-kills or the incendiary glitch go in the same category for me.

 

The only unacceptable glitch is, of course, the infinite missiles. I would also refuse to archive a solo done with a 66666 build, but players using this little trick are obviously not going to show their build.

 

As for Techno's solo specifically, she had still 4 gels, 4 ops and 1 missile for wave 10 so she was going to get the solo done anyway. Not glitching the hack would have made her kiting the enemies around the map 2 or 3 times, that's it. This isn't of much interest IMO and would just have resulted in a longer and less pleasant solo to do, without bringing much in terms of gameplay and strategy. But I can understand that you don't like it.  

[TheTechnoTurian]

I agree with the above comments from Loufi and Prestacious but would like to offer an alternate viewpoint, if Techno is removed from the HoF for being a glitcher, then I would have the fastest Quarian Male Engineer Solo

actually tupari would be fastest, hth

[GruntKitterhand]

 

Asari Justicar

 

TheTechnoTurian | March 6 2015 | 23:36 | White | Cerberus | Venom 

 

I loved watching that.  Well, right up till that last Dragoon, obviously!  But yeah, fantastic gameplay.  I was a part of the discussion about using the Acolyte and/or Lancer on her, and now I have to try this out.

 

My 2 cents on all the various things which could be considered cheating is that it only extends to missile glitching.  Everything else I view through the filter that PC players can do things those of us on consoles can't, but probably would if we could.  I think it was xcal who posted the first video with the hack circle evasion, and I applauded him for his clever use of game mechanics.  I've maybe only managed to do it once or twice, but I don't solo much and would never do it in a team game as it would confuse pugs too much.

[Alfonsedode]

build

Is there a good reason not to boost passive power damage for max cheese ?

Is the 15% debuff, well, i guess the vid is proof enough U have a top build. Maybe U could have shoved some seconds with more incy glitch though

[Tupari]

Is there a good reason not to boost passive power damage for max cheese ?
Is the 15% debuff, well, i guess the vid is proof enough U have a top build. Maybe U could have shoved some seconds with more incy glitch though

I first started out thinking the same, that more power damage would result in a faster time. After a few attempts I found weapon damage seemed to make more difference against large shielded enemies. I believe technoturian's 22:xx run was a max power damage build, though I will note she was 28 seconds slower and I would attribute that more to having an area hack objective than the build. So really I am not sure it makes much of a measurable difference.

[TheTechnoTurian]

Phoenix Goonguard

 

TheTechnoTurian | March 20 2015 | 29:47 | White | Cerberus | Wraith, Acolyte 

 

"TheTechnoTurian [Missile Launcher] Combat Drone" (and nothing else in the killfeed) sums it up, this could have been better, but tonight I am queen derp of derp mountain.

[AW_FC_1986]

N7 Destroyer Soldier

 

AW_FC_1986 I March 21st 2015 I 74:03 I London I Reaper I Striker Assault Rifle

 

Build

[T-Raks]

Decided to go for a grind it out game. "No rockets" with the Asari Huntress against the Reapers. Thessia would've been proud!

 

t_raks_99 | March 21st 2015 | 86:46 | Giant | Reapers | CSMG/Acolyte | No rockets

 

Objective waves: targets, escort, hack. I was out of everything besides the rockets I didn't wanna use in wave 7, so I'm glad that I survived despite the time it took me to finish...

 

Because I don't record, I made a "no rockets"-used pic at the start of the extraction wave:

[T-Raks]

Phoenix Goonguard

 

TheTechnoTurian | March 20 2015 | 29:47 | White | Cerberus | Wraith, Acolyte 

 

"TheTechnoTurian [Missile Launcher] Combat Drone" (and nothing else in the killfeed) sums it up, this could have been better, but tonight I am queen derp of derp mountain.

I tried to kill two Phantoms, two Banshees and an Atlas with a missile today, just to kill only the two Phantoms and one of the Banshees teleporting (with one armor bar left) right behind me to grab and sync-kill me...

 

That's why I decided to go without missiles the next game. 

[AW_FC_1986]

Vorcha Hunter Engineer

 

AW_FC_1986 I March 21st 2015 I 62:22 I Dagger Hazard I Reaper I Executioner Pistol & Blood Pack Punisher

 

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[AW_FC_1986]

N7 Shadow Infiltrator

 

AW_FC_1986 I March 22nd 2015 I 67:18 I Rio I Reaper I N7 Eagle

 

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[T-Raks]

Nothing special to report today, just some more Cerberus bashing:

 

Asari Huntress:

t_raks_99 | March 22nd 2015 | 56:15 | Giant | Cerberus | CSMG/Acolyte

Objective waves: devices, escort, escort.

 

Human Adept:

t_raks_99 | March 22nd 2015 | 59:45 | Giant | Cerberus | CSMG/Acolyte

Objective waves: devices, pizza, devices.

 

Wanted to go quicker, but too many devices.   In the HA game I finished the wave ten devices with 5 seconds left on the clock.   

[Antsu39]

Human Adept (build)

Tried to be fast and aggressive so I ended up without gels in wave 7. Wave 10 targets cost me my first sub 40 min solo. Objectives were hack, escort, targets.

anterojp | March 22th 2015 | 40:45 | Giant | Cerberus | Arc Pistol

[T-Raks]

Human Adept (build)

Tried to be fast and aggressive so I ended up without gels in wave 7. Wave 10 targets cost me my first sub 40 min solo. Objectives were hack, escort, targets.

anterojp | March 22th 2015 | 40:45 | Giant | Cerberus | Arc Pistol

Still a nice time (in my book)!

 

I have one sub-50 game and it seems that I can't quite get it together again. Guess my "use biotics and shoot at the enemies corpse while the powers reload"-tactic is getting old. After all these hours I think I have to start headshooting more often (and use the proper weapons for it) to get faster. Or maybe I have to venom?

[cato potato]

Still a nice time (in my book)!
 
I have one sub-50 game and it seems that I can't quite get it together again. Guess my "use biotics and shoot at the enemies corpse while the powers reload"-tactic is getting old. After all these hours I think I have to start headshooting more often (and use the proper weapons for it) to get faster. Or maybe I have to venom?

The Venom might help (as long as you're familiar with it) but the change which would make the biggest difference to your times, in my opinion, is the map. I've no doubt you could get a sub-40 after a few tries on White.

[q5tyhj]

A good part of mine would be too, and more generally a good part of all the solos...

 

The boundary between cheating and clever use of game mechanics is subjective and very thin. Beating the game by means discovered by players and not intended by the developers is IMO part of this community knowledge and of the players' skills. Using RHA, reload cancel, slopes to prevent sync-kills or the incendiary glitch go in the same category for me.

Nail meet hammer. Excluding solos with only certain types of "clever use of game mechanics" or cheating (as there is no clear, non-subjective line here) would be arbitrary and unfair, but excluding solos with all of them would be impossible. Better to leave it as it is.