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#51
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From Felicia Day's acting to the character's looks (Day wasn't translated well from live action to videogame) to MotA overall seeming more like a Day starring fan service vehicle than a proper expansion, the only way I'd have her back would be if she were re-written, re-casted and remodeled.

 

I think the very basic concept of a character like Tallis is an interesting proposition, but I don't feel with the way MotA set up her character in a way that we'd be missing anything  essential by not having her appear ever again.


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I really liked the character. Plus I want my rogue quizzy to have her daggers.


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gods. NO.


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No thank you. Tallis was a character created by Felicia Day, not Bioware, and it really shows. Even though Bioware wrote all of her stuff in MoTA they had to keep the character that was in the web series. Meaning that Tallis still feels like a self-insert and Mary Sue. MoTA still feels more like a fanfic made reality rather than a genuine expansion.


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She needs to die if she does pop up.

 

Filthy Qunari.


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That's what they call the "Creator's Pet". I like Felicia Day, but I think she did a really bad job at voicing Tallis in DAII. Not to mention that I found the character annoying, narrow-minded, and an awful Qunari agent, and no matter what you do she gets away scot-free. Now, the finale of DAII could not be avoided as well - but this was the result of something much, much bigger than Hawke. The fact that you can't even argue with Tallis, point her at the flaws at her philosophy and try to stop her from getting the scroll is very frustrating. 

 

Ugh I'm getting flashbacks to ME3's Starchild, pre-Extended Cut.  Not being able to voice the obvious in-game is so frustrating; I think the final thirty minutes of the MotA DLC, where we're railroaded the most, crashed & burned all the goodwill that the first two hours had built up towards Tallis.  She really was quite entertaining at the start, though!

 

Hopefully whatever appearance she makes in DA:I will allow us to speak - that's all I want.  A character can be ignorant, or say ignorant things, as long as I can speak out against them.  /sighs at my MageHawke/


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What Hawke not being able to influence the Outcome of Mota well this isnt the vanilla game of DA2 oh right you couldnt affect anything in that either. <_<

 

But in all seriousness the hate for Tallis is the by product of the bad decisions and poor writing that was DA2 that game was an on rail RPG where the PC had no affect on the story/world and because of that people tend to lash out at Tallis and Mota's Ending so obviously no one wants Tallis to come back because that would bring up bad memories of both a on rail game "DA2" and a dlc "Mota".  


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(Renegade Interruption: Feed Tallis to your tamed dragon)

 

 

Fantasy equivalent of punching the newswoman


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No thank you. Tallis was a character created by Felicia Day, not Bioware, and it really shows. Even though Bioware wrote all of her stuff in MoTA they had to keep the character that was in the web series. Meaning that Tallis still feels like a self-insert and Mary Sue. MoTA still feels more like a fanfic made reality rather than a genuine expansion.

 

Isn't just about everything Felicia Day does some manner of fanfic inspired self-insert Mary Sue? Every time she shows up on Supernatural I basically write it off as a wasted episode.

 

If Tallis is in I hope we can murder-knife her, otherwise please keep her away from this game. 



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I liked Tallis.  I hope to run into her again.  

 

Now, if you'll excuse me.  

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Sure, I'd love to see her join Fiona, Briala, Celene, and whoever else pisses me off, on the walls



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I'm okay with Tallis returning so long as the Inquisitor isn't reduced to playing sidekick or denied an option to oppose the Qunari. 

 

Also, being able to give a Qunari spy the Ned Stark treatment would be glorious.

 

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I actually don't mind Tallis, but I have to agree with everyone saying we better be allowed to at least oppose her a little more if she is to show up.

 

Particularly if you're playing a heavily Qun-hating Vashoth Inquisitor like I plan to. 



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I was really unimpressed with her character in mota she was sort of whatever ad much as I flipping wrote Felicia day. Which I do. Plus all of what's been discussed I agree with. Sucks that we weren't given more sensical responses to her and real choice with the final outcome.

I will however say that I loved playing as her in combat and thought her specialization was pretty unique.

That being said I actually grew to like her more in the web series (as meh as it was it had some pretty awesome moments. Nyree being an awesome character because we never had a reaver "protagonist" at that point plus I loved the beans out of her) because towards the end she starts recognizing the faults of the qun in full blow and even hints that she might become tal vashoth which I thought was pretty cool. Though I'm unsure if the web series takes place after mota or not but I always head canoned that it did.

Tldr I've grown to like her due to the web series and I'm interested to see her again in dai and hopefully the devs will allow us more manipulative choices if she were to appear.

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I hope to God she shows up, so I can kill her. She got away last time, but not again. Kill the people of the Qun wherever you find them. It's that simple.


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"I just wanted to destroy something beautiful"

 

Seriously, I don't know what it is and some will try to tell me I am a closet potentially DV suspect but there is just something about the character of Tallis where I just wanted to beat her into a bloody mess and I have no idea what it is.



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Also, being able to give a Qunari spy the Ned Stark treatment would be glorious.

 

I want that list. I want it bad.

 

Though, it would probably be of quite limited use by the time Inquisition takes place, so that's too bad.


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Hawke and pals had nothing better to do with their time. The Inquisitor needs to save the world. And if she shows up, there's a great risk of them becoming dumb and inept.



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I was mostly envious of her cloak skill.

Magic resistance and looked pretty, like Fenris with lyrium ghost activated

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I'm okay with Tallis returning so long as the Inquisitor isn't reduced to playing sidekick or denied an option to oppose the Qunari. 

 

Also, being able to give a Qunari spy the Ned Stark treatment would be glorious.

 

xfu7tl.gif

 

This would be awesome ! 


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I really liked Tallis, she may have been Qunari but she wasn't a fanatic.. she saw the good and the bad sides of the Qun. I would love to see her again, but i doubt she would have a significant role in DAI.. maybe just a cameo or something, maybe say a few words of greetings to Leliana and/or Varric during a mission.

In a perfect world she'd be a secret companion and LI (for the sake of having a female elf available to M!Inquisitors) but alas, this world is anything but perfect.  -_-

 

I thought Tallis had some nice moments (and I really liked Felicia Day as Veronica in New Vegas), but her adherence to the Qun in the web series and MoTA was something that bothered me, and perhaps some people would feel differently about the character if she showed up as Tal-Vashoth, instead of as a member of a system some people strongly dislike; following that, an elven love interest for a male Lavellan Inquisitor could be interesting, to see how a Dalish protagonist could interact with a Tal-Vashoth.


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I thought Tallis had some nice moments (and I really liked Felicia Day as Veronica in New Vegas), but her adherence to the Qun in the web series and MoTA was something that bothered me, and perhaps some people would feel differently about the character if she showed up as Tal-Vashoth, instead of as a member of a system some people strongly dislike; following that, an elven love interest for a male Lavellan Inquisitor could be interesting, to see how a Dalish protagonist could interact with a Tal-Vashoth.

Mmm, that could be interesting.. i can see the Dalish Inquisitor trying to teach her "how to be an elf" and depending on how he/she goes about doing so Tallis may end up rejecting or accepting the Dalish ways.



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i liked MOTA, and tallis....  however, it was always weird that the looks of tallis's character really didnt seem to fit with the voice in my opinion....  I mean they made her look like felicia day, but it really felt awkward watching that character speak in a totally different voice.... though i could just be used to the elves scottish voices.  I liked the look into Orlais, and even enjoyed the dlc.... (was kinda disappointed in the sneak through though, i wanted to fight if caught, not start over).  Would have liked to see more Qun involvement, as tallis was the only one representing the qun, the tal vashoth seemed really.... bleh and just there, i wanted to see a little conflict we could get some insight on into how the vashoth feel about the qun and reasons for leaving.

 

Wouldnt mind seeing her again, but not as a major player


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Mmm, that could be interesting.. i can see the Dalish Inquisitor trying to teach her "how to be an elf" and depending on how he/she goes about doing so Tallis may end up rejecting or accepting the Dalish ways.

 

There could be a lot to explore in a Dalish protagonist getting to know a Tal-Vashoth (in this hypothetical scenario where Tallis leaves the Qun, which is actually addressed as a possibility in the web series). I could see Lavellan asking Tallis what it was like growing up, the hardships she faced. It's easy to see why Tallis turned to the Qun in the first place since she admits, “Before them I was nothing. I was a slave. My parents sold me into it. The Qunari gave me refuge, a purpose, and a name: Tallis." Perhaps the elven Inquisitor befriends her, tries to understand her former life as a viddathari, and (in this scenario) what lead to her abandoning the Qun.


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Poor Tallis. She was loved just a little too much, and like a spoiled child, she found acceptance outside her loving family circle was not as easy as it would have been with more realistic expectations.

 

I've learned a lot about Tallis since MotA came out, and what I've learned has softened a vitriolic and intense dislike to merely a reaction against poor execution. Her biggest enemy turned out to be her writers. Felicia Day did not write Tallis, nor did she design her. According to Matt Rhodes, she was there from the initial design stages, perhaps even earlier than Merrill or Anders. As a character concept, she may have predated Redemption rather than the other way around.

 

As a concept, she's pretty cool. We don't get a chance to interact with too many elves who find refuge in the Qun, so that's kinda nifty... but the character development started at the end instead of the beginning. In other words, it made too many assumptions. It assumed that everyone would automatically be in love with her from the word go, so she came in at her end-stage cockiness and just assumed that the player would buy it about a character he or she had never met. Her entrance is similar to Varric's and Isabela where she displays her competence and flair right from the outset. Nothing too out of the ordinary there, all of the characters are shown at their best in their intros... except that Tallis's took it too far. In Varric's the first thing he does after shooting the thief and restoring Hawke's worldly goods is declare "You're the boss!" and he  keeps that up throughout the entirety of their relationship. Isabela goes a bit further with the forced flirting from Hawke (which might be out of character, depending), and for a long time, that rankled and I had a hard time learning to love Isabela (but I eventually did, and very much so). But even then, the fight was her own, and she was the object of the attack. She didn't ride in guns ablazing and save a suddenly inept Hawke from getting his or her backside handed to him or her while Hawke stood around mouth breathing. I'm sorry, but you really have to earn that kind of a cutscene, and Tallis hadn't. Heck, even in Captured!, the one time in DAO when the protagonist was truly helpless, the player has the choice of handling things him or herself or sitting back and waiting for a rescue. And if they're good enough to beat Ser Cauthrien, the whole thing can be avoided. Tallis takes away that player agency, and we're forced to sit there and watch while our characters are turned into simpletons. That doesn't leave a good impression.

 

And it doesn't get better from there. Throughout the entire DLC, no opportunity is overlooked to diminish the skills and abilities of Hawke and his or her followers to make Tallis look good. She's better informed about Kirkwall's underworld than Varric; she's better at both potions and compassion than Anders, the party healer; she knows more about intrigue than Leliana; she's more universally desired than Isabela; she speaks better Tevene than Fenris, and pokes fun at him for his accent when speaking qunlat. The only thing she doesn't do is rip Carver's greatsword off his back and slaughter Baron Arlange's forces singlehandedly (I have to babysit her constantly so she doesn't die constantly as it is). I get it. She's supposed to be badass. But they didn't have to try that hard, nor did they have to make the players' longtime friends and allies look like morons in the process. She could have at least acknowledged their competence, which she never does. Again, you have to earn that kind of a spotlight, and Tallis never did. It was just assumed that the player would love her enough to overlook the deliberate belittlement of Hawke's friends and allies. And that doesn't even begin to touch upon the business with the lock.

 

One of the reasons people love Captured! is the funny banter while the Warden's allies try to free him or her, and yeah, they got that part down. But it's important to note that the Warden (and Alistair) can get out of the cell on their own, and during the course of the rescue, the Warden's companions (who the Warden has grown to know and love throughout the entire game) are allowed to show their competence along the way. In MotA, the banter is there, but both Hawke and his or her companions are once again made to look like idiots for Tallis's benefit. Even though Hawke may well be better at picking locks than Tallis. Once again, that kind of spotlight has to be earned, and the player has known Tallis for about an hour at that point, and it doesn't sit well.

 

But Inquisition isn't DA2, and we don't know in what capacity Tallis will appear, if she appears at all. It's possible that she'll be an adversary, in which case all of her previous detractions become assets. There's a certain satisfaction to beating a skilled opponent, so that might cast Tallis in a better light. Or, if she does wind up being a temporary companion at some point, there's the chance that the writers may have learned that most people don't like being side-kicks in their own story. They don't like it when people make fun of their friends, people who have already established themselves in the protagonist's affection. They may allow her to shine as a gem among many without making her look like a plastic rhinestone with a platinum setting. A sky with only one star isn't much of a vista.

 

So I'd say it wasn't Tallis herself that was the problem, it was the execution.


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