I kid you not, ANDERS is the one who brings up the Mage thing.
Tallis just ignores him.
Anders: "Do you approve of mages having their lips sewn shut?"
Tallis: "Right now? Yes."
I was like, "I knew a Qunari had that happen to him and **** you for making fun of him, Tallis."
The only way I would want to see Tallis is if she showed up and admitted that she was an ignorant and idealistic whelp blinded by the false promises of the Qun and has since renounced it and moved on.
Barring that, only seeing her head on a pike might actually make me feel any emotion towards her. The fact that Hawke was basically barred from acting or even speaking out against her Qun preaching made her one of the worst characters I was handcuffed into encountering.
I kid you not, ANDERS is the one who brings up the Mage thing.
Tallis just ignores him.
Anders: "Do you approve of mages having their lips sewn shut?"
Tallis: "Right now? Yes."
I was like, "I knew a Qunari had that happen to him and **** you for making fun of him, Tallis."
You'd appreciate this then. Usually, when I'd do the DLC, I wait until Act 3. What can I say, I love being called Champion. Anyhow, I did it right after I helped Anders collect the materials in Act 3. Imagine my surprise when one of two people in the party that never ever shut up about mages and templars had zero to say to Tallis. This is supposed to be Anders/Vengeance at his breaking point, and he has nothing to say to her. 
I'm not calling Tallis a Mary Sue, since I think it's an overused term. I don't hate Felicia Day either. She isn't my taste as an actress, but I think she's alright. I am saying that either due to oversight, time, word budget or a combination of the three, it came across like Tallis was in the right no matter how you might have felt as a player. In a game were the concepts of mage freedoms versus templar order was the focal point of the story, that DLC really fell short. It made it feel even more disconnected with the main story.
I actually liked Tallis overall as a character up to that point, but my lack of agency as a player when it came to the role of mages in the Qun just took me out of the experience. I still can't say I hate Tallis, more like I hate how that whole conversation in the prison about the Qun (and when the topic came up again in the cave,) was handled.
That's actual lines from the game so Anders should have said it.
Sorry man.
I was rather pissed that I couldn't kill her or at least take the damn list from her at the end of MotA. No reasonable mage would let her walk away with something like that.
I was rather pissed that I couldn't kill her or at least take the damn list from her at the end of MotA. No reasonable mage would let her walk away with something like that.
Eh, I didn't mind it.
Who would I turn it over to?
The Chantry?
Meredith?
Yeah, I expect a REAL reasonable response there.
I kid you not, ANDERS is the one who brings up the Mage thing.
Tallis just ignores him.
Anders: "Do you approve of mages having their lips sewn shut?"
Tallis: "Right now? Yes."
I was like, "I knew a Qunari had that happen to him and **** you for making fun of him, Tallis."
I always took that line as further indication that Tallis was unwilling to discuss the darker side of the Qun to what amounted to relative strangers. I believe certain things, and I know they have negatives, but I'm not really going to go into that with a bunch of people my friend invited to join us at the movies. Particularly not the one that is a colossal ass.
For example, I'm certainly not going to get into a debate about some of the stupid things the Vatican preaches while trying to convince you to help me keep a bunch of Catholics from being mass murdered.
The impression I'm getting of Iron Bull suggests he will have a similar viewpoint about people criticizing the Qun, at least initially. He won't want to talk about it, but if you force the issue he'll put you down as hard as necessary until you shut up.
You'd appreciate this then. Usually, when I'd do the DLC, I wait until Act 3. What can I say, I love being called Champion. Anyhow, I did it right after I helped Anders collect the materials in Act 3. Imagine my surprise when one of two people in the party that never ever shut up about mages and templars had zero to say to Tallis. This is supposed to be Anders/Vengeance at his breaking point, and he has nothing to say to her.
I'm not calling Tallis a Mary Sue, since I think it's an overused term. I don't hate Felicia Day either. She isn't my taste as an actress, but I think she's alright. I am saying that either due to oversight, time, word budget or a combination of the three, it came across like Tallis was in the right no matter how you might have felt as a player. In a game were the concepts of mage freedoms versus templar order was the focal point of the story, that DLC really fell short. It made it feel even more disconnected with the main story.
I actually liked Tallis overall as a character up to that point, but my lack of agency as a player when it came to the role of mages in the Qun just took me out of the experience. I still can't say I hate Tallis, more like I hate how that whole conversation in the prison about the Qun (and when the topic came up again in the cave,) was handled.
I don't really have either issue, but that is probably because I always play it after the endgame, and I find the entire DAII experience so jarringly bad as a mage, that this DLC doesn't really register as noticeably worse. The game outright ignores the fact that MageHawke is a free apostate bull in a fanatical Templar owned and operated china shop, and the pathetic few throwaway lines that attempt to explain it don't come anywhere close to alleviating the feeling that the game doesn't care.
I was rather pissed that I couldn't kill her or at least take the damn list from her at the end of MotA. No reasonable mage would let her walk away with something like that.
Tallis makes it abundantly clear when you first meet, her that she is more competent than you in fighting. She'd have killed a mage Hawke even faster than a Rogue or Warrior Hawke. look at her stupid broken infiltrator specialization. She'd one shot Mage Hawke, and disappear, if not try picking off the others with her cartoon like combat feats.
Eh, I didn't mind it.
Who would I turn it over to?
Make copies, send it to all the kingdoms.
I've said this before, and I'll say it again.
I hope I get to kill Tallis if she shows up.
Make copies, send it to all the kingdoms.
I'd rather my Hawke not be responsible for thousands of dead men, women, and children because they worship the Qun.
But the option should be there.
I'd rather my Hawke not be responsible for thousands of dead men, women, and children because they worship the Qun.
But the option should be there.
They aren't merely following the Qun, they're spying for the Qunari. And the Qun is pretty much as fascist an ideology there is. I'd say a thousand dead spies with another thousand family members dead as collateral is an acceptable price for keeping the Qunari from imposing their fascism on millions of innocents.
Tallis makes it abundantly clear when you first meet, her that she is more competent than you in fighting. She'd have killed a mage Hawke even faster than a Rogue or Warrior Hawke. look at her stupid broken infiltrator specialization. She'd one shot Mage Hawke, and disappear, if not try picking off the others with her cartoon like combat feats.
Well, if Hawke can kill a high dragon, it should be for him possible to kill Tallis, I'd think.
They aren't merely following the Qun, they're spying for the Qunari. And the Qun is pretty much as fascist an ideology there is. I'd say a thousand dead spies with another thousand family members dead as collateral is an acceptable price for keeping the Qunari from imposing their fascism on millions of innocents.
I find that a very Qunari attitude.
I'd rather my Hawke not be responsible for thousands of dead men, women, and children because they worship the Qun.
But the option should be there.
Regardless of what Tallis might think (like her word would mean anything to me), I find it highly doubtful that such punitive measures would be the standard. Besides, if some have given up on the Qun as she says, then they would likely be willing to share information on the Qunari themselves, no?
Either way, they knew the risks, and were apparently fine with the potential deaths of tens or hundreds of thousands in the invasion they helped create.
I'd rather my Hawke not be responsible for thousands of dead men, women, and children because they worship the Qun.
But the option should be there.
I'd rather not have qunari spies hiding amidst the human population.
Regardless of what Tallis might think (like her word would mean anything to me), I find it highly doubtful that such punitive measures would be the standard. Besides, if some have given up on the Qun as she says, then they would likely be willing to share information on the Qunari themselves, no?
Either way, they knew the risks, and were apparently fine with the potential deaths of tens or hundreds of thousands in the invasion they helped create.
The Chantry of Rivain murdered every man, woman, and child they could confirm followed the Qun.
So I'm not so sure about that.
Also, it would be Duke Prosper doing it and he's a psychopath.
But I think this may be my ambivalence that Thedan Feudalism is better than Qunari absolutism. They both stink as systems of life. As a resutl, I can't get my emotions up about the Qun invading.
The Chantry of Rivain murdered every man, woman, and child they could confirm followed the Qun.
So I'm not so sure about that.
First, it wasn't just the Rivaini Chantry, Rivaini Pagans also attacked the qunari.
Second, those qunari were in direct violation of the Treaty that put and end to the war and compelled every single qunari to retreat from the continent. If anything, they were hostile population.
First, it wasn't just the Rivaini Chantry, Rivaini Pagans also attacked the qunari.
Second, those qunari were in direct violation of the Treaty that put and end to the war and compelled every single qunari to retreat from the continent. If anything, they were hostile population.
Sorry, can't get behind forced relocations even in fiction.
Also, it would be Duke Prosper doing it and he's a psychopath.
Where did this characterization come from? Is there a short story I missed?
The Duke Prosper in MotA invites you to his home in good faith, defends you against one of his other guests, who is a fellow Orlesian to boot, and chooses to imprison you rather than rightfully executing the hell out of you for breaking into his home with the intent of robbery, and possibly murdering several of his household staff.
Not really the actions of a psychopath.
The whole hunting you for sport thing gave me that impression, I admit.
The whole hunting you for sport thing gave me that impression, I admit.
I'm clearly misremembering something. I know he takes off and leaves his Chasind to deal with you, then decides at the end to just let his Wyvern kill you, but at that point you're well beyond simple 'burgler' or 'nuisance'. You've pretty much screwed up his whole year. I don't remember the 'hunting you for sport' part.
Yeah it's a shame you couldn't side with Prosper. He was fairly reasonable for an Orlesian anyway.
He tries to kill you if you try to save his life.
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