Loghain always gets his head chopped off so...
no
In my headcanon, my Warden says something like this to Loghain.
Mage Warden: I sacrificed my friendship with the closest friend I've ever had. Do NOT give me cause to regret that more than I already do.
Bummer.
Hey at-least he becomes dragon food so Cousland can keep shagging Leiliana right? 
Mage Warden Hawke Inqusitor hopes his god baby will carry on the good work of ruining the Chantry.
:-)
Mage Warden Hawke Inqusitor hopes his god baby will carry on the good work of ruining the Chantry.
:-)
It was more he didn't want to cheat on his girl and subject a child to Morrigan as a mother in Cousland's case. 
I could have sworn this was a thread about Fiona, and her potential relationship to Alistair, who might be King of Ferelden in the canon of some players.
It was more he didn't want to cheat on his girl and subject a child to Morrigan as a mother in Cousland's case.
That's why you harden Alistair, force him to marry Anora, tell Morrigan to **** off, and feed Loghain to the Archdemon.
Everybody wins.
I could have sworn this was a thread about Fiona, and her potential relationship to Alistair, who might be King of Ferelden in the canon of some players.
So basically a thread for people to attack each other over her?...I like this better
That's why you harden Alistair, force him to marry Anora, tell Morrigan to **** off, and feed Loghain to the Archdemon.
Everybody wins.
I wouldn't wish her on my worst enemy cheese. 
That's why you harden Alistair, force him to marry Anora, tell Morrigan to **** off, and feed Loghain to the Archdemon.
Everybody wins.
Mage Warden Hawke Inqusitor had a deep affection for Morrigan.
He just understood he had more in common with Leliana.
I imagine if you're going to do a one-night-stand, "I would die otherwise" is as good a defense as any.
Though it still might explain why Leliana went to work for the Divine.
Mage Warden Hawke Inqusitor had a deep affection for Morrigan.
He just understood he had more in common with Leliana.I imagine if you're going to do a one-night-stand, "I would die otherwise" is as good a defense as any.
Though it still might explain why Leliana went to work for the Divine.
Do you really want to risk pissing your ex assassin lover off?
Do you really want to risk pissing your ex assassin lover off?
My first playthrough, I was HORRIBLE to Leliana.
She left me for Majoraine.
I didn't even know that was POSSIBLE.
I assume they teamed up to kill me.
So basically a thread for people to attack each other over her?...I like this better
No one has to attack Fiona. I guess discussing Fiona with civility isn't within the realm of possibility, however.
No one has to attack Fiona. I guess discussing Fiona with civility isn't within the realm of possibility, however.
"For people to attack each other over her"
Much like any mage/elf discussion here isn't it seems.
Poor Elthina...
Honestly Anders killing a lady that reminded me of my grandmother didn't earn him any brownie points.
Elthina was the best manipulating character in the universe. It is not as innocent as she claims to be. She was the one who made Petrice a Mother (approving her antiqunari campaing, if she wasn't the mind behind that operations from the start), and the one who left her to the qunari when she wasn't useful anymore. She didn't even look sorrowful, she simply turned her back. But did she not tell to Sebastian that death is never justice? It seems like she say something and act the other way.
And she was the one who allowed Meredith to be a psycho ******. She had the power to turn the templars against meredith, and since even the most loyal templars and the nobles started fearing Meredith, she wouldn't have had any problem doing so. But she did nothing, cause the chantry (and her) were gaining power with Meredith on charge.
Elthina was the best villain ever.
Fiona is a character I actually look forward to seeing. I think the character has a lot of potential but I think it'll largely depend on her presentation in the story versus how she's presented in the Calling--which is over forty years ago as I reckon time. As a woman in her sixties, I don't expect her to act like she did before and I'd be interesting if we got a more nuanced depiction of her role during the Mage's Rebellion.
Is she still stalwart like a Grey Warden, unintimidated by the Templars? Does this put her at odds with her fellow Mages who HAVEN'T faced legions of Darkspawn?
Is she stunned by the fact she's helped bring a Blight-level disaster to Thedas?
Does she mourn the thousands who have died because of her actions? Including many under her command.
I think I'm willing to give Bioware a chance in writing the answers to all this.
I will trash economy and then some if it frees the slaves.
The economy? Please.
Do you realize that Astapor, the first city Daenerys "freed" was taken over by a butcher who killed the whole council she left to rule and then seized every highborn boy in the city to make new Unsullied. Every pyramid became an armed camp and the marker was devoid of food.
And that was before the Yunkai'i arrived at which point, at the same time they were sieging the city, civil war broke within, it went through three different rulers before it got to the point where they just unhearted the body of the previously mentioned butcher, mounted him and sent him to fight the Yunkai'i, stuffed larvae and all. The city was sacked and then plague arrived.
So, yeah. Good job Daenerys.
Is she stunned by the fact she's helped bring a Blight-level disaster to Thedas?
Actually, that is a very good point.
First, she helps to start the Fifth Blight, then she helps start a Mage-Templar war.
Someone needs to stop this woman before she kills more people!
Actually, that is a very good point.
First, she helps to start the Fifth Blight, then she helps start a Mage-Templar war.
Someone needs to stop this woman before she kills more people!
I would be interested in that but, honestly, Thedas needed to be wrecked every which way from Sunday.
And she was the one who allowed Meredith to be a psycho ******. She had the power to turn the templars against meredith, and since even the most loyal templars and the nobles started fearing Meredith, she wouldn't have had any problem doing so. But she did nothing, cause the chantry (and her) were gaining power with Meredith on charge.
Elthina was the best villain ever.
No, she actually didn't have the power to do anything. And since she denied every single on of Meredith's "psycho ******" actions, I'm not really sure what your point is.
No, she actually didn't have the power to do anything. And since she denied every single on of Meredith's "psycho ******" actions, I'm not really sure what your point is.
Part of my problem with Dragon Age 2 is that it did the Templar vs. Mage conflict in microcosm. The Chantry is sympathetic to the Mages but keeps the Templars in power, the Templars hate the Mages, and the Mages hate the Templars. Ultimately, Anders just exposed the fact that the "back and forth" between the three needed to end.
Part of my problem with Dragon Age 2 is that it did the Templar vs. Mage conflict in microcosm. The Chantry is sympathetic to the Mages but keeps the Templars in power, the Templars hate the Mages, and the Mages hate the Templars. Ultimately, Anders just exposed the fact that the "back and forth" between the three needed to end.
1. Templars do not hate mages. Radicals hate mages.
2. The Mages don't hate Templars. They hate Meredith and radicals.
3. The Chantry keeps the Templars in power because the Templars are a part of the Chantry. A necessary one.
4. Kirkwall is a standard Circle as a ghoul is a standard person.
5. All Anders exposed anyone too was hot ash and death. What needed to end was the blood magic loose in the Circle, and I was happy to oblige.
Actually, that is a very good point.
First, she helps to start the Fifth Blight, then she helps start a Mage-Templar war.
Someone needs to stop this woman before she kills more people!
Mage: Ehy Fiona what're we gonna do today?
Fiona: The same thing we try to do every day Mage-y. Try to take over the world **** Thedas over even more!
Autonomous, my ass. They were ruled by the Templars and you know it. Call a spade, a spade, JB.
They were ruled by the Templars, who could legally do whatever they wanted except everything they couldn't and didn't do that any effective system of rulership would have allowed them to do.
Meredith couldn't even search the rooms and private property of her own tower, when she was at the height of her already highly disproportionate and barely restrained power. Even liberal democracies have governments that can do that. Meredith didn't get to dictate the promotion or alignment of mages, only performed unilateral tranquility very late on when she was blatantly breaking the laws in place, and couldn't even dictate the political leadership of the mages (which is one of the key tests for effective autonomy of a subordinate group- when they can have and keep their own leadership).
I'm quite happy to call a spade a spade, but you have to show me a spade first. Even in Kirkwall the mages had substantial autonomy, despite the abuses of Templar power and restrictions. It was certainly restrictive, but autonomy doesn't mean 'free': it always functions within the scope of what exactly is up for autonomy.
No, she actually didn't have the power to do anything. And since she denied every single on of Meredith's "psycho ******" actions, I'm not really sure what your point is.
She had power. Do not forget that knight commanders (Meredith like gregoir) are always seconds to the Grand Cleric, or whoever is the highest representative of the Chantry in the region. Elthina was the one with the last word. Right in the beginnig of act 3 we see her giving orders to Orsino, Meredith and even Meredith bodyguards!.She didn't move to stop the abuses because she didn't want to: without a viscount she, as representative of the Chantry, was the ruler of Kirkwall. Her genius was in the way she hide her ambition behind the caring grandma facade. She tricked everyone.
They were ruled by the Templars, who could legally do whatever they wanted except everything they couldn't and didn't do that any effective system of rulership would have allowed them to do.
Meredith couldn't even search the rooms and private property of her own tower, when she was at the height of her already highly disproportionate and barely restrained power. Even liberal democracies have governments that can do that. Meredith didn't get to dictate the promotion or alignment of mages, only performed unilateral tranquility very late on when she was blatantly breaking the laws in place, and couldn't even dictate the political leadership of the mages (which is one of the key tests for effective autonomy of a subordinate group- when they can have and keep their own leadership).
I'm quite happy to call a spade a spade, but you have to show me a spade first. Even in Kirkwall the mages had substantial autonomy, despite the abuses of Templar power and restrictions. It was certainly restrictive, but autonomy doesn't mean 'free': it always functions within the scope of what exactly is up for autonomy.
She had power. Do not forget that knight commanders (Meredith like gregoir) are always seconds to the Grand Cleric, or whoever is the highest representative of the Chantry in the region. Elthina was the one with the last word. Right in the beginnig of act 3 we see her giving orders to Orsino, Meredith and even Meredith bodyguards!.She didn't move to stop the abuses because she didn't want to: without a viscount she, as representative of the Chantry, was the ruler of Kirkwall. Her genius was in the way she hide her ambition behind the caring grandma facade. She tricked everyone.
Elthina is basically an example of the passive face of the Chantry in my mind. She's a pacifist in not only ideals but action.
Telling Meredith "don't abuse mages" is too much action.
So is stopping Petrice.
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