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[Br3admax]

This is like Superman should date Wonder Woman because Lois Lane isn't a superhero.

Uh...there's something you should know....

[Lulupab]

I don't dislike her background so much as I find it weird.

There's a story here that I think needs to be elaborated on or they should have made a new character. I have no problem with an elven slave becoming a Grey Warden. That doesn't suspend my suspension of disbelief. The Grey Wardens draw from all the peoples of the world. I don't mind her being Alistair's mother TOO MUCH. To be honest, I do because Fiona makes Alisatir's mother "special" when she was SPECIAL because she was a maidservant. This is like Superman should date Wonder Woman because Lois Lane isn't a superhero.
Stupid.

I don't even mind her not going through the Calling. Albeit, this is GROUNDBREAKING.
The Wardens would want her studied head-to-toe.

However, HOW THE **** did she go from being a Grey Warden for a couple of decades to leader of the entire Circles?

This is a pretty big promotion for a person who wasn't shown to be THAT capable of a mage and doesn't have any networking capacity for decades.

If it's because she's 20th level, then that's at least an answer but I thought that was a game extrapolation.

What are the requirements for becoming a grand enchanter? We don't even know it. She doesn't lack anything in magical prowess though if its any indication.

[Willowhugger]

What are the requirements for becoming a grand enchanter? We don't even know it. She doesn't lack anything in magical prowess though if its any indication.

 

I actually think the 20th level thing exists in-universe. Zevran, after all, is eating through the Crows. Sten is Arishok. Alistair is surviving as King mostly due to his ability to kick copious amounts of ass and so on.

 

However, it seems like someone outside the Circle for as long as she was would be hard pressed to rise through the ranks to the very absolute top.

At least it's a statement on Mages being racially equal.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

lets see

 

we have in her background

 

rags to riches story, defender of the many, oppressed minority (twice), mother to a popular character, lore defiance, rebel leader.

 

She started the mage rebellion at White Spire after she refused to hand over a suspected serial killer to the templars.

 

Maybe we'll get lucky and the whole "Cured of the Taint" bit will end up not being true. It just went into super remission for a while and now it's back with a will....

[leaguer of one]

lets see

 

we have in her background

 

rags to riches story, defender of the many, oppressed minority (twice), mother to a popular character, lore defiance, rebel leader.

 

She started the mage rebellion at White Spire after she refused to hand over a suspected serial killer to the templars.

I would not say it's a rages to riches story. Going from a peasant to a mage is not rages. (Heck, Wynne, has that same back ground.Heck, most mages started off poor especially the elven ones) Being an oppressed minority twice over is also not unique ether, even elven mage has to deal with that.

 

And she did not start the mage rebellion, it was Adrian and Lambert. To be the starter of the rebellion imposes that she was the aggressor in the conflict in some way. Refusing to head to authority is not that.

 

The only thing you are upset about the character is that she is Alistair's mother and the only truly unique thing about her is she recovered from the taint.

[leaguer of one]

I don't dislike her background so much as I find it weird.

 

There's a story here that I think needs to be elaborated on or they should have made a new character. I have no problem with an elven slave becoming a Grey Warden. That doesn't suspend my suspension of disbelief. The Grey Wardens draw from all the peoples of the world. I don't mind her being Alistair's mother TOO MUCH. To be honest, I do because Fiona makes Alisatir's mother "special" when she was SPECIAL because she was a maidservant. This is like Superman should date Wonder Woman because Lois Lane isn't a superhero.

Stupid.

 

I don't even mind her not going through the Calling. Albeit, this is GROUNDBREAKING.

The Wardens would want her studied head-to-toe.

 

However, HOW THE **** did she go from being a Grey Warden for a couple of decades to leader of the entire Circles?

 

This is a pretty big promotion for a person who wasn't shown to be THAT capable of a mage and doesn't have any networking capacity for decades.

 

If it's because she's 20th level, then that's at least an answer but I thought that was a game extrapolation.

Being a senior warden some how means you can't be a leader of another group? Hell,if the mage warden was still around he/she would be a bigger voice in the circles then she is now.

[Willowhugger]

Being a senior warden some how means you can't be a leader of another group? Hell,if the mage warden was still around he/she would be a bigger voice in the circles then she is now.

 

I don't discount it as possible.

However, it's a hell of a big jump without explaining HOW.

A paragraph about how mages looked up to her as someone who had BEEN THERE and DONE THINGS would have been enough.

[Br3admax]

Being a senior warden some how means you can't be a leader of another group? Hell,if the mage warden was still around he/she would be a bigger voice in the circles then she is now.

The Hero of Ferelden left the Wardens. Guess they don't care as much as you wanted them to. 

[LobselVith8]

Being a senior warden some how means you can't be a leader of another group? Hell,if the mage warden was still around he/she would be a bigger voice in the circles then she is now.

Which is also what Wynne recommended as a means of improving the Circles (after she speaks to Aneirin); even if the Warden says he isn't interested because the Circle is "an oppressive place", Wynne argues that he can change that as a leader (after serving as a Grey Warden), and that this is her dream.

[Willowhugger]

Which is also what Wynne recommended as a means of improving the Circles (after she speaks to Aneirin); even if the Warden says he isn't interested because the Circle is "an oppressive place", Wynne argues that he can change that as a leader (after serving as a Grey Warden), and that this is her dream.

I may be a poor one for this as my reaction to Wynne was, "The Wardens don't work like that" and "LOL, no."

[leaguer of one]

I don't discount it as possible.

However, it's a hell of a big jump without explaining HOW.

A paragraph about how mages looked up to her as someone who had BEEN THERE and DONE THINGS would have been enough.

What there to explain? She had some experience in leadership from being a warden and in the course of the decades she was with the mage she showed it. It's far from impossible to get a leadership position in a few decades. Heck, the mage warden would have a bigger voice then she has if they were still around. 

[leaguer of one]

The Hero of Ferelden left the Wardens. Guess they don't care as much as you wanted them to. 

More like they can't find the warden.

[Willowhugger]

What there to explain? She had some experience in leadership from being a warden and in the course of the decades she was with the mage she showed it. It's far from impossible to get a leadership position in a few decades. Heck, the mage warden would have a bigger voice then she has if they were still around. 

 

I don't dispute that and it's my headcanon my Warden Mage and Hawke are the Tribunal with her.

[leaguer of one]

I may be a poor one for this as my reaction to Wynne was, "The Wardens don't work like that" and "LOL, no."

To be fair at that point nether of you knew how the wardens work like at the time.

[Br3admax]

More like they can't find the warden.

More like every epilogue for Awakening talks about them leaving for one reason or another, and then they disappear after their withdrawal from the order. 

[leaguer of one]

More like every epilogue for Awakening talks about them leaving for one reason or another, and then they disappear after their withdrawal from the order. 

My point. they can't find the warden.

[Br3admax]

My point. they can't find the warden.

No, most of them say that s/he left the Order, returned to Denerim, waifus/husbandos whatever, then they disappeared. 

[leaguer of one]

No, most of them say that s/he left the Order, returned to Denerim, waifus/husbandos whatever, then they disappeared. 

That still mean they can't find the warden. We don't know when the warden disappeared or how long they stayed with there li. Added, a mage of statue is allowed to be outside the circle.

Point is if they ever want to impose that the warden need to go back to the circle, they need to find them first.

[Lulupab]

I found something interesting, David Gaider stated that Anders being merged with Justice may have one of the two effects on his Calling: "One is that the spirit within Anders can affect the level of his corruption, so it may delay or remove the necessity for his Calling altogether. Either that or at some point the corruption within Anders is going to corrupt the spirit." He refused to tell which one the writers prefer due to the possibility of Anders appearing in future games. Of course this only apples if he survives DA2.

So it might be possible to remove the taint altogether if you know how to do it. Her removing her own taint is the most "mary sueish" thing, at least in my opinion anyway. She was treated like most slaves, most elves and most mages. Heck most grey wardens. She was a powerful mage after all and she is the only one who have defeated a broodmother other than the PC of course. So her rise in grey warden ranks is quite believable. Duncan and Riordan actually admit that they would have died many times if Fiona didn't save them with her magic.

[Milan92]

Great, another warden that won't get a calling.

 

Everyone is able to escape the taint except for the warden :S

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Great, another warden that won't get a calling.

 

Everyone is able to escape the taint except for the warden :S

 

Warden: Being a warden is about sacrifice.

 

Fiona: I don't have the taint anymore. Time to go become the mage leader! LOLOLOLOLOL

 

Warden: I'm done, y'all can go to hell.

[Reidbynature]

When it comes to the Warden's taint, people like Avernus or Anders overcoming their taint (in some fashion at least) I don't have much of a problem with because the price they pay is a high one.  In their cases the cure is almost as bad as the problem.  That to me is fine as long as it's not a common occurrence.

[Milan92]

Warden: Being a warden is about sacrifice.

 

Fiona: I don't have the taint anymore. Time to go become the mage leader! LOLOLOLOLOL

 

Warden: I'm done, y'all can go to hell.

 

Can you just imagine Alistair's reaction when he finds out that his own mother left the order?

[Steelcan]

I would not say it's a rages to riches story. Going from a peasant to a mage is not rages. (Heck, Wynne, has that same back ground.Heck, most mages started off poor especially the elven ones) Being an oppressed minority twice over is also not unique ether, even elven mage has to deal with that.

 

And she did not start the mage rebellion, it was Adrian and Lambert. To be the starter of the rebellion imposes that she was the aggressor in the conflict in some way. Refusing to head to authority is not that.

 

The only thing you are upset about the character is that she is Alistair's mother and the only truly unique thing about her is she recovered from the taint.

Fiona wasn't a peasant she was a slave, all the way to grand enchanter and a grey warden.

 

And yes she was responsible, Lambert and Adrian certainly helped, but iirc Fiona is the one who decided to launch the war.

[Lulupab]

Fiona wasn't a peasant she was a slave, all the way to grand enchanter and a grey warden.
 
And yes she was responsible, Lambert and Adrian certainly helped, but iirc Fiona is the one who decided to launch the war.

AFTER her peaceful and diplomatic proposal was answered with disbanding of college of enchanters. So she did try to help mages peacefully at first but Lambert didn't let her. I mean just look at the response at mere idea of more freedom.