AFTER her peaceful and diplomatic proposal was answered with disbanding of college of enchanters. So she did try to help mages peacefully at first but Lambert didn't let her. I mean just look at the response at mere idea of more freedom.
>peaceful proposal of independence from the Chantry
yeah that's gonna go over well
>peaceful proposal of independence from the Chantry
yeah that's gonna go over well
Lol, but it was peaceful nonetheless. They didn't even consider to at least talk it over and reach an agreement. Instant NO. Mind you mages were already frustrated around Thedas so giving them a little bit of freedom might have put the tensions to rest for while. If I'm looking at things from Templar side it was stupid to response with disbanding of college of enchanters. It simply magnifies the current circle system as tyranny and when mages are particularly angry you don't want to do that. You are inviting war. So you cannot hold Fiona solely responsible, sure she played a part and a big one but she was not the only one.
Lambert was doing his job, but Adrian certainly deserves some blame
Maybe Adrian is the mage that we can make tranquil?
Lol, but it was peaceful nonetheless. They didn't even consider to at least talk it over and reach an agreement. Instant NO. Mind you mages were already frustrated around Thedas so giving them a little bit of freedom might have put the tensions to rest for while. If I'm looking at things from Templar side it was stupid to response with disbanding of college of enchanters. It simply magnifies the current circle system as tyranny and when mages are particularly angry you don't want to do that. You are inviting war. So you cannot hold Fiona solely responsible, sure she played a part and a big one but she was not the only one.
I think it was a situation which had been boiling for some time. The Annulment of Rivaine at that time and place was the end of everything.
But it was a lot of things.
Kirkwall
The events of Dragon Age: The movie
The Cure for the Rite of Tranquility
The failed vote for independence being very-very close
And so on.
Maybe Adrian is the mage that we can make tranquil?
hopefully, her or Fiona
hopefully, her or Fiona
I doubt we'll have the option to kill Sir Gregoir but I do ever so want to.
Which is weird, because I LIKE Sir Gregoir.
My Mage Warden just hated him with the fury of a thousand exploding suns.
I imagine we'll meet most of the important leader characters at some point. I don't think we'll see a connection to Alistair unless she's pushing for Ferelden to join.
Hmm, I wonder if i could make Fiona Tranquil i would.
I think that would be a pretty clear message across the board.
Even your dumb knife ear leader got captured, beaten and returned to us.
That still mean they can't find the warden. We don't know when the warden disappeared or how long they stayed with there li. Added, a mage of statue is allowed to be outside the circle.
Point is if they ever want to impose that the warden need to go back to the circle, they need to find them first.
They. Left. The. Wardens. They left. They don't stay. They didn't just disappear one day without telling anyone they were leaving the Wardens. They left. If they stayed in the Wardens they wouldn't have been able to serve the crown, be with loved ones, or adventure. So they left. Accept it.
I don't discount it as possible.
However, it's a hell of a big jump without explaining HOW.A paragraph about how mages looked up to her as someone who had BEEN THERE and DONE THINGS would have been enough.
I am with you on that. This is not my biggest problem with Fiona (tain cure and pregnancy while tainted goes against DAO lore, so I worry more about it) but I agree, her position needs some explanation. Here, link to Wiki:
http://dragonage.wik...First_Enchanter
A first enchanter retains their position for life and reserves the right to appoint a successor should the first enchanter perish or choose to retire[2]. This decision must also take into consideration the opinion of the templars. Eligible for this position are the Circle's senior enchanters.[3] If there is no successor, the Knight-Commander appoints one, usually with the approval of the Circle's mages.[4] A first enchanter is usually someone who is respected by all mages and usually the templars too, and he or she is not always chosen based off their power and abilities.
And she just came in and become one? Really?
They. Left. The. Wardens. They left. They don't stay. They didn't just disappear one day without telling anyone they were leaving the Wardens. They left. If they stayed in the Wardens they wouldn't have been able to serve the crown, be with loved ones, or adventure. So they left. Accept it.
Of course, then in Awakenings, you're at Vigil back in the Wardens.
Hmm, I wonder if i could make Fiona Tranquil i would.
I think that would be a pretty clear message across the board.
Even your dumb knife ear leader got captured, beaten and returned to us.
It works both ways you know. I mean the lord seeker is possibly already gutted before the war even began. That probably sent the message already, like in mages favor.
Not really.
He's missing and presumed dead.
The knowledge of why, is unknown.
So there could be many stories about that disapearence assuming its even mentioned in game, so citing that here doesn't do much because it isn't exactly known what happened.
It's not the same as your leader getting defeated, captured and then made tranquil, that's just a whole nother league of statement.
Of course, then in Awakenings, you're at Vigil back in the Wardens.
Nah, those epilogues are from when Awakening ends.
Not really.
He's missing and presumed dead.
The knowledge of why, is unknown.
So there could be many stories about that disapearence assuming its even mentioned in game, so citing that here doesn't do much because it isn't exactly known what happened.
It's not the same as your leader getting defeated, captured and then made tranquil, that's just a whole nother league of statement.
Lambert was doing his job, but Adrian certainly deserves some blame
Doing his job? The divine herself told him to stand down. He was out of control.
I doubt we'll have the option to kill Sir Gregoir but I do ever so want to.
Which is weird, because I LIKE Sir Gregoir.My Mage Warden just hated him with the fury of a thousand exploding suns.
Why?
I am with you on that. This is not my biggest problem with Fiona (tain cure and pregnancy while tainted goes against DAO lore, so I worry more about it) but I agree, her position needs some explanation. Here, link to Wiki:
http://dragonage.wik...First_Enchanter
A first enchanter retains their position for life and reserves the right to appoint a successor should the first enchanter perish or choose to retire[2]. This decision must also take into consideration the opinion of the templars. Eligible for this position are the Circle's senior enchanters.[3] If there is no successor, the Knight-Commander appoints one, usually with the approval of the Circle's mages.[4] A first enchanter is usually someone who is respected by all mages and usually the templars too, and he or she is not always chosen based off their power and abilities.
And she just came in and become one? Really?
It's not that case. She's been back in the circle for over 2 decades.
They. Left. The. Wardens. They left. They don't stay. They didn't just disappear one day without telling anyone they were leaving the Wardens. They left. If they stayed in the Wardens they wouldn't have been able to serve the crown, be with loved ones, or adventure. So they left. Accept it.
That's not my point. And I'm taking about the circle and the templers. I'm saying no one can force them back into the circle because no one can find them.
Why?
Why my Mage Warden hated him?
Mage Warden stood up for Jowan and Lilly only to find out that Irving and Gregoir had been playing Jowan for a fool the entire time. When my Warden found out that Jowan was a Blood Mage, he still stood up for his friend--knowing he would die because of it. As far as he was concerned, Irving and Gregoir were playing games with people's lives.
Sadly, there was no option for Mage Warden to bring up the paper which revealed Irving had "Entrapped" a bunch of Uldred's Blood Mages as part of a complicated game of one-upmanship with Gregoir.
Sacrificing the lives of his charges for political points.
**** those two.
**** them both.
I think I knew my Warden hated the Templars when he came across a praying mage and joined her for prayer, only to reveal she was trying to "pray away the gay" so to speak, except replace gay with magic.
After that, I knew my Mage Warden would do anything to get out of this place.
Why my Mage Warden hated him?
Mage Warden stood up for Jowan and Lilly only to find out that Irving and Gregoir had been playing Jowan for a fool the entire time. When my Warden found out that Jowan was a Blood Mage, he still stood up for his friend--knowing he would die because of it. As far as he was concerned, Irving and Gregoir were playing games with people's lives.
Sadly, there was no option for Mage Warden to bring up the paper which revealed Irving had "Entrapped" a bunch of Uldred's Blood Mages as part of a complicated game of one-upmanship with Gregoir.
Sacrificing the lives of his charges for political points.
**** those two.
**** them both.
I think I knew my Warden hated the Templars when he came across a praying mage and joined her for prayer, only to reveal she was trying to "pray away the gay" so to speak, except replace gay with magic.
After that, I knew my Mage Warden would do anything to get out of this place.
1. They did not force Jowen to become a blood mage.
2. Jowen does need to take responsible for his own actions.
3. Irving was just trying to prove the the mage can police themselves. What is wrong with that?
4. And that was not a game of one up man ship. Those two men as much as they fight truly want to work together to make the circle better.
1. They did not force Jowen to become a blood mage.
2. Jowen does need to take responsible for his own actions.
3. Irving was just trying to prove the the mage can police themselves. What is wrong with that?
4. And that was not a game of one up man ship. Those two men as much as they fight truly want to work together to make the circle better.
1. No, but they would force Jowen to become Tranquil if he failed and that terrified him into becoming a blood mage.
2. Jowen quit using blood magic until he was backed against a wall.
3. You don't do that by tempting people to rebel against the Circle and use Blood Magic so you can arrest them. Not the people under your charge.
4. I'd prefer to make the Circle better by killing them both.
But again, I the player like Gregoir and Irving. It was MageWarden who developed an everlasting hatred and contempt of them both.
CouslandWarden found them both very reasonable men.
1. No, but they would force Jowen to become Tranquil if he failed and that terrified him into becoming a blood mage.
2. Jowen quit using blood magic until he was backed against a wall.3. You don't do that by tempting people to rebel against the Circle and use Blood Magic so you can arrest them. Not the people under your charge.
4. I'd prefer to make the Circle better by killing them both.
But again, I the player like Gregoir and Irving. It was MageWarden who developed an everlasting hatred and contempt of them both.
CouslandWarden found them both very reasonable men.
1.That the thing every mage face. Does every apprentice suddenly turn to blood magic?
2.So some how it's only illegal to use blood magic in public and right to use blood magic in secret?
3. So any arrest police do in sting operations are wrong? So somehow you are in the wrong if you leave a $10 bill on the table on purpose and then see who steals it?
4. Base on the other type of people who are normally in charge that would be a bad idea.
I'm not criticizing you but the thinking of the character you role play. He/She is overthinking this way too much.
Doing his job? The divine herself told him to stand down. He was out of control.
replace council, with Divine
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