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[Lulupab]

Did you even read what you typed? I get that she's your husabandu's momma and you have some nonsensical need to defend her, but that doesn't change the facts. You should read JB's post againand again until it makes sense.

I said she is a snowflake aka Marry Sue aka author favorite/pet. The same applies to player character.

Let me add some more to the list: She is the only person on Thedas (beside PC) who has killed a broodmother. JB's post didn't talk about her magic power, there you have it.

But the PC is still worse. And I was not defending her, such characters exist everywhere. Daenerys Targaryen is also one.

[Willowhugger]

Did you even read what you typed? I get that she's your husabandu's momma and you have some nonsensical need to defend her, but that doesn't change the facts. You should read JB's post againand again until it makes sense.

 

She's the Grand Enchanter and the mother of Alistair and cured of the Taint. So yeah, she's a little out there. Weird stuff happens in Dragon Age, though.

My biggest issue with her isn't that she's Maric's babymama or the head of the Circle.

It's....I don't think really get a FEEL for her personality.

 

She doesn't quite come off like the Companions as three-dimensional as some of the others. I sympathized with Duncan's mentor who lost her husband more than her.

[Willowhugger]

I said she is a snowflake aka Marry Sue aka author favorite/pet. The same applies to player character.

Let me add some more to the list: She is the only person on Thedas (beside PC) who has killed a broodmother. JB's post didn't talk about her magic power, there you have it.

But the PC is still worse. And I was not defending her, such characters exist everywhere. Daenerys Targaryen is also one.

At least that's a pretty big group now.

 

There's the PC plus the PCs party in Awakening so probably like seven guys at minimum, probably more since you can kill five total.

[MisterJB]

And I was not defending her, such characters exist everywhere. Daenerys Targaryen is also one.

Except that when Daenerys tried to change the socio-political-economic infrastructure of an entire continent, reality ensued.
Or haven't you read the books?

[Willowhugger]

Except that when Daenerys tried to change the socio-political-economic infrastructure of an entire continent, reality ensued.
Or haven't you read the books?

That's not a story done being told, though.

Arguably, what she did wrong was trying to make peace with the slavers instead of just killing them all.

 

Which is where I think the story is going.

"Fire and blood."

[MisterJB]

So what? Not like she could rely on peaceful solutions. Remember what happened when she merely proposed autonomy in a diplomatic meeting? Lambert raged and circle of enchanters were disbanded. This is tyranny right here. Tighten security, demote officers at mere idea of a little bit of freedom.

With diplomacy failing the only way to bring a change to circle system is the aggressive way. While she didn't commit any of that, for every Martin Luther King or Anne Frank or Rosa Parks or Gandhi you see in the world, there are people with blood on their hands who give the rest of the world the opportunity to take the moral high road. These leaders were great but the opportunity to rise up was granted to them by abhorrent actions of others. In Fiona's case it was Anders, Adrian and Cole.

You honestly think no innocent were killed when Andraste conquered the world? No children were killed? No one was raped? (her army were BARBARIANS) Change usually does not come peacefully.

Yes, yes. You're not telling me anything I don't know.

 

I was just pointing out your innacurate description of Fiona. Support her all you like but the last thing on her mind is the safety of others, mage or not.

[MisterJB]

That's not a story done being told, though.

Arguably, what she did wrong was trying to make peace with the slavers instead of just killing them all.

 

Which is where I think the story is going.

"Fire and blood."

Her real mistakes were actually trying to do anything beyond saking the cities and marching for Westeros.

Altough her inability to kill hostages from noble families even when they show disloyalty is not helping matters.

[Black Jimmy]

This is just a thread to talk about Fiona now. lol

 

She is a Elven mage. Former grey warden who doesn't have the taint any longer. was a semi important character in Asunder. Alistairs mother.

And voice of many mage's.

 

Will we see her in inquisition? is Alistair going to meet her? or will she die with the divine and so many others?

I suspect we'll see her a the peace talks at the beginning.

[Lulupab]

Except that when Daenerys tried to change the socio-political-economic infrastructure of an entire continent, reality ensued.
Or haven't you read the books?

I have in fact, and the consequence of Fiona's actions is yet to happen. Dany had them happen sooner, but how many incidents has she survived? How many assassination attempts have failed? The way characters die so easily on GoT it almost feels like Dany has a plot armor.

[Ianamus]

Maybe she dies at the beginning but a note is found on her revealing that Alistair is her son and the Inquisition decide how to handle it.

 

Doubt it though. She'll probably be too busy killing old gods and greater demons single handedly while completing her thesis that proves beyond a doubt that the Maker is not real and that she is the true god of thedas. While fighting off hordes of tevinter slavers and a Qunari fleet.

[Willowhugger]

Yes, yes. You're not telling me anything I don't know.

 

I was just pointing out your innacurate description of Fiona. Support her all you like but the last thing on her mind is the safety of others, mage or not.

 

Freedom over safety for my mage.

[Willowhugger]

FYI, I'm pretty sure that the Mage-Templar war has devastated both factions. There's both the losses at the rift and what's implied to be the destruction of much of Thedas given Cassandra is very panicky about the war and trying to find out Hawke's role in it. So, either way, Fiona is responsible for thousands of deaths both Templar and human with many more in terms of collateral damage too.

 

I doubt we'll be seeing her as a big hero.

More likely both sides will have reasonable people and unreasonable people.

Quarian vs. Geth.

[Patchwork]

See that's just the thing. If she doesn't die at the summit and remains the Mage leader I'm going to HAVE to side with the Templars, Every. Single. Time.

 

As opposed to ALMOST every single time.

 

LOL I don't hate her that much she's just a character I would rather was dead than me ever having to meet her.

 

To me there's a big difference between a video game protagonist's specialness and a book character like Fiona. For the most part pcs are a blank slates, personality and headcanons is what I imagine into them to make them my character rather than Warden290876. Their specialnessbecausethisisavideogameandtheheromustbespecial stuff is balanced by the humanising I do to make that pc more interesting for me to play. 

 

Fiona on the other hand is a pov book character with little personality and the depth of a teaspoon who gets the special snowflake treatment explanations and consequence be damned.  

[Lulupab]

I am happy as long as we see her for at least a couple of minutes in the game, If she is going to die she really doesn't deserve to die off-screen.

[Willowhugger]

I am happy as long as we see her for at least a couple of minutes in the game, If she is going to die she really doesn't deserve to die off-screen.

 

I'll bet money now that she'll be the leader of the Mage Faction we must either force to surrender to or ally with against the Templar leader.

[TTTX]

See that's just the thing. If she doesn't die at the summit and remains the Mage leader I'm going to HAVE to side with the Templars, Every. Single. Time.

 

As opposed to ALMOST every single time.

What if it is Rhys who is leading them?

[Lulupab]

Does she still wear a mask?

Anyway...

See that's just the thing. If she doesn't die at the summit and remains the Mage leader I'm going to HAVE to side with the Templars, Every. Single. Time.

As opposed to ALMOST every single time.

The only reason to hate FIona is being anti-mage in general. She has not done a thing that is morally questionable. I hope you are not mad like some others who just can't accept Lambert is a zealous fool while Fiona is a precious snowflake. In asunder Lambert represents Templars while Fiona represents mages.

[Willowhugger]

What if it is Rhys who is leading them?

 

I'd love for my Warden to have met Rhys, being Wynne's surrogate son versus her actual one.

But, again, we're playing complete strangers to Wynne.

[Reidbynature]

Can't say I've read the books or comics themselves, but the more I hear about things like Fiona the less I'm interested.  Honestly I just ignore much of it.  I'm interested in the games and that's the story I've followed.  I'm not interested in keeping up with outside sources to find out they've retconned this character or that character or some new character has done something questionable.

 

So until Alistair walks up to me in the games and tells me he's now a half-elf then I'm happy assuming the games and any of the tie-in media are separate canons.  Which I think would likely work in favour of the tie-in media like the books and comics freeing them to do more of what they'd like to do.

[Akkos]

I'm pretty sure, Alistair knows who Fiona is already. He didn't want to tell the warden as first.....

Because the way Alistair, Varric and Isabela made an adventure to Tevinter is quite interesting.

 

What about Goldana.........Maybe they made both of them believe Alistair was given birth by Goldana's mother because she supposely died when giving birth to Alistair.

I don't think Fiona gave birth to Goldana too....

[Willowhugger]

Yeah, Goldanna isn't Alistair's sister.

Which makes the entire quest kind of pointless.

[Dabrikishaw]

I like Fiona. Nothing about her really bothers me the way it does other people.

[TTTX]

The only reason to hate FIona is being anti-mage in general. She has not done a thing that is morally questionable. I hope you are not mad like some others who just can't accept Lambert is a zealous fool while Fiona is a precious snowflake. In asunder Lambert represents Templars while Fiona represents mages.

Lambert is technically a Seeker after all his title is Lord Seeker, he just act like a Templar and like Logain he does have his reasons for acting like he does.

[leaguer of one]

I hope she was the summit.

Biggest mary sue in the whole DA franchise.

She's not a marysue. 

You want an example, look a Kalen Sanders from the ME novels.