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[Basher of Glory]

Last week I finished the game with an imported ME 2  character and felt, that I forgot too much of ME 2 to understand some comments of certain NPCs.

 

So I started again in ME 2 with my very first character from ME 1, did all the DLCs and imported her to ME 3.

 

My questions:

 

1)

During the DLC "Arrival" Shepard has to destroy a mass relay with the consequence of obliterating an entire system with Batarian colonists. During a conversation with Hackett she agrees to stand trial after the collectors are destroyed.

Right at the start of ME 3 Admiral Anderson mentions this event, too. This way the player becomes informed about Shepard's current status.

 

What would be the situation, if someone did not play the "Arrival"-DLC?

 

 

2)

During one of the cutscenes in the DLC "From Ashes", the Prothean Javik asks

"...how many did we lose?" and received the answer "About 300.000. "

He replied "....about one third of our people..."

 

Well, if 300.000 are about 1/3 of the entire Prothean people, then there were (only) about 900.000 in total.

Is this a mistake of the script? How could someone control an entire galaxy with so few numbers?

 

3)

At the end of my ME-2 Tali was - as a member of the defending team - dead. Of course I reloaded and did the entire endfight again to keep her alive. I simply couldn't imagine a ME-gane without her.

 

But let's say

a ) Tali dies

or

b ) Mordin Solus dies

 

...what would happen in ME 3?

 

 

Thx in advance for replies 

[themikefest]

1) Shepard is under arrest for working with Cerberus

 

2) Javik was referring to the million that would be waken that were put in stasis pods

 

3)Admiral Xen takes her place, but not as a squadmate. And without Tali, peace won't happen between the Geth and Quarians. A Salarian, named Padok Wiks, takes Mordin's place. Good character. Depending on the your playthrough he can live just like Mordin.

[Perpetual Nirvana]

1. The opening pays out pretty much the same. Arrival still happened, only it was a team of marines under Hackett's command who rescued Kenson and blew up the relay. Shepard is still under arrest, though it's assumed to be for their Cerberus ties (can't remember if it's ever stated).

 

2. It could be that 900,000 were only the Protheans that were on Eden Prime or maybe all the Protheans that were left at that point. Remember that was toward then end of that cycle.

 

3. If Tali isn't around her role is filled by Xen, although Xen doesn't acompany you and isn't a squadmate. Same with Mordin, his role is filled by Padok Wiks.

[ZipZap2000]

Point 1. Anderson is vague and just says "after the sh*t you've done any other soldier would be tried court marshalled and discharged"

 

Point 2. He was referring to their plan to place 1 million protheans in stasis to be woken up when the reapers leave. Unfortunately the reapers trashed their stasis pods roughly 1/3 of them. Eden Prime appears to be one of if not the last stand of the Protheans it took centuries to conquer them.

 

Point 3. They both get replaced by different characters of the same race.

[OPM_Lunacy]

1) I always thought Shepard was under arrest, but at the same time he is a hero, it's not very clear, just like zipzap says, it's vague

[Iakus]

Last week I finished the game with an imported ME 2  character and felt, that I forgot too much of ME 2 to understand some comments of certain NPCs.

 

So I started again in ME 2 with my very first character from ME 1, did all the DLCs and imported her to ME 3.

 

My questions:

 

1)

During the DLC "Arrival" Shepard has to destroy a mass relay with the consequence of obliterating an entire system with Batarian colonists. During a conversation with Hackett she agrees to stand trial after the collectors are destroyed.

Right at the start of ME 3 Admiral Anderson mentions this event, too. This way the player becomes informed about Shepard's current status.

 

What would be the situation, if someone did not play the "Arrival"-DLC?

 

 

2)

During one of the cutscenes in the DLC "From Ashes", the Prothean Javik asks

"...how many did we lose?" and received the answer "About 300.000. "

He replied "....about one third of our people..."

 

Well, if 300.000 are about 1/3 of the entire Prothean people, then there were (only) about 900.000 in total.

Is this a mistake of the script? How could someone control an entire galaxy with so few numbers?

 

3)

At the end of my ME-2 Tali was - as a member of the defending team - dead. Of course I reloaded and did the entire endfight again to keep her alive. I simply couldn't imagine a ME-gane without her.

 

But let's say

a ) Tali dies

or

b ) Mordin Solus dies

 

...what would happen in ME 3?

 

 

Thx in advance for replies 

1) Hackett sends marines to rescue Kenson instead.  They also end up blowing th erelay, but there are no survivors.  Shepard is still locked up for "The sh*t you pulled" during ME2.

 

2) The plan for Javik was to be put on ice with about a million other Protheans to prepare the next cycle for the Reapers.  I assume this is what he was referring to.

 

3) If Tali dies, Raan and Xen take up the exposition slack.  Otherwise tali is simply not there.  And peace between quarians and geth is impossible on Ranncoh.

 

If Mordin is dead, then Padok Wiks takes over his role.  As far as I know, nothing really changes.

[SporkFu]

1) Hackett sends marines to rescue Kenson instead.  They also end up blowing th erelay, but there are no survivors.  Shepard is still locked up for "The sh*t you pulled" during ME2.

 

2) The plan for Javik was to be put on ice with about a million other Protheans to prepare the next cycle for the Reapers.  I assume this is what he was referring to.

 

3) If Tali dies, Raan and Xen take up the exposition slack.  Otherwise tali is simply not there.  And peace between quarians and geth is impossible on Ranncoh.

 

If Mordin is dead, then Padok Wiks takes over his role.  As far as I know, nothing really changes.

Except the genophage arc suffers from a distinct lack of singing.   ... Okay, suffers isn't the right word; Wiks is a great character in his own right. 

[Basher of Glory]

Ok, thx.

 

My greater "understanding-problem" is the thing about Leviathan.

 

The codex just tells me a lot of common stuff and the child in the endscenes is not really revealing, too.

 

As far as I understood, the Leviathans constructed the first reaper and were betrayed by "it".

 

Before I continue with assumptions and conclusions, which are both not really based on knowledge and comprehension, would someone be so kind and explain the Leviathan-story and their influence on all this harvesting-stuff?

[themikefest]

Ok, thx.

 

My greater "understanding-problem" is the thing about Leviathan.

 

The codex just tells me a lot of common stuff and the child in the endscenes is not really revealing, too.

 

As far as I understood, the Leviathans constructed the first reaper and were betrayed by "it".

 

Before I continue with assumptions and conclusions, which are both not really based on knowledge and comprehension, would someone be so kind and explain the Leviathan-story and their influence on all this harvesting-stuff?

Here's the Leviathan dialogue

https://www.youtube....h?v=lEqlG6bhZ80

 

Here's the dialogue with the Catalyst talking about Leviathan

https://www.youtube....h?v=3m5bC2sTYlY

[Basher of Glory]

Thx for the links. Excellent brushing-up of lost knowledge.

 

Of course I've gone through these conversations, too, but didn't see a consequent string from the Leviathan's creation (the Citadel?) and the subsequent events.

 

If the Leviathans are that powerful, how could it be, that they were "betrayed" by their own instrument?

 

If they - respectively some of them - were "harvested" to construct the FIRST reaper, the Harbinger, then they must have been defeated by something else, even more powerful than a reaper. What was this force?

 

But then again... how is it even possible to defeat the "apex" of evolution, when all these special reaper skills like indoctrination were developped and refined over time?

[Iakus]

Thx for the links. Excellent brushing-up of lost knowledge.

 

Of course I've gone through these conversations, too, but didn't see a consequent string from the Leviathan's creation (the Citadel?) and the subsequent events.

 

If the Leviathans are that powerful, how could it be, that they were "betrayed" by their own instrument?

 

If they - respectively some of them - were "harvested" to construct the FIRST reaper, the Harbinger, then they must have been defeated by something else, even more powerful than a reaper. What was this force?

 

But then again... how is it even possible to defeat the "apex" of evolution, when all these special reaper skills like indoctrination were developped and refined over time?

 

It's best not to think too hard about it...

[ZipZap2000]

Same convo going on in a different thread Leviathans gave catalyst the ability to create his own machines to search for a solution, which it used to destroy the leviathans and turn them into the first reaper.  Seeing as how the Leviathans can only use mind control on organics this makes sense an army of robots immune to their best weapon that are superior to their thralls.

 

The Leviathans were also taken by surprise by catalyst, it attacked them suddenly and without warning.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Also if Legion was killed in the Suicide Mission, the Geth VI (aka not Legion), is named Legion (to make you, the player, sympathetic), and the not Legion also has identical pieces of Shepard's N7 armor (also to make you, the player, sympathetic). How did they do that? Oh, another thing you're not supposed to think about too much.

[Excella Gionne]

Also if Legion was killed in the Suicide Mission, the Geth VI (aka not Legion), is named Legion (to make you, the player, sympathetic), and the not Legion also has identical pieces of Shepard's N7 armor (also to make you, the player, sympathetic). How did they do that? Oh, another thing you're not supposed to think about too much.

Not to mention that if you ask the Geth VI(if Legion died on the Collector Base)on what happened to it after the Collectors were defeated, it'll respond as if it were Legion. I think they should have had three Legion models for the arc. One for Legion, one for Geth VI(Legion rip off), and a Geth similar to Legion but it does not have the holographic N7 armor piece.

[Basher of Glory]

Ok, if I understood correctly, then I missed nothing and just thought too hard about things, which are not really explained or even so called plotholes, right?

[Display Name Owner]

Thx for the links. Excellent brushing-up of lost knowledge.

 

Of course I've gone through these conversations, too, but didn't see a consequent string from the Leviathan's creation (the Citadel?) and the subsequent events.

 

If the Leviathans are that powerful, how could it be, that they were "betrayed" by their own instrument?

 

If they - respectively some of them - were "harvested" to construct the FIRST reaper, the Harbinger, then they must have been defeated by something else, even more powerful than a reaper. What was this force?

 

But then again... how is it even possible to defeat the "apex" of evolution, when all these special reaper skills like indoctrination were developped and refined over time?

 

I guess they made the same kind of mistake the Quarians did in having a massive force of thralls working under them. I vaguely remember something about the Catalyst seizing control of mechanical workers or some such. Also I suppose Harbinger was the first but not necessarily the only Reaper created in the first cycle, there might have been a whole fleet of Destroyer-class guys made from the Leviathans' slave races.

 

If you want to be more confused ask yourself how a Leviathan telepathically killed a Reaper in the DLC but the entire species managed to lose the war.

[Basher of Glory]

If you want to be more confused ask yourself how a Leviathan telepathically killed a Reaper in the DLC but the entire species managed to lose the war.

This question I didn't dare to ask, because I really thought that I have missed something very obvious in one of all these conversation lines.

 

My next issue would be the Rachni Queen.

 

On Noveria I trusted her and let her go. In ME 2 I listened to the Asari in Ilium and was happy to hear that the Queen abides by her promise.

What a shock, when I found her in ME 3 again trapped and abused, her offspring turned to monstrosities.

 

Now, if every idiot-reaper and his mother can catch her and use her to produce reaper-forces...

 

I really think about my descision in ME 1 and in generally about me always being the good one.

 

But the question is:

 

Why did they need millions of Krogans to defeat the Rachni when it is seemingly a cakewalk to go directly for the Queen?

[Farangbaa]

I still don't understand what happened to all the Asians in the MEU.

[Farangbaa]

Why did they need millions of Krogans to defeat the Rachni when it is seemingly a cakewalk to go directly for the Queen?

Because the Rachni lived on planets only the Krogan could survive on.

And you know, the Rachni numbered in the millions, so millions of Krogans is a plus.

[fhs33721]

Why did they need millions of Krogans to defeat the Rachni when it is seemingly a cakewalk to go directly for the Queen?

Because they had more than one queen back then. Probably hundreds if not thousands. And it isn't really a cakewalk. The Krogans have massive casualties while attacking the nest.

[Basher of Glory]

So the Queen we met is not THE QUEEN, just only the last one?

[JamesFaith]

If you want to be more confused ask yourself how a Leviathan telepathically killed a Reaper in the DLC but the entire species managed to lose the war.

 

In fact answer here is easy - millions of years of biological and technological evolution focused solely on hiding and surviving of contact with Reaper.

 

When we were able to move from caveman with wooden club to soldier with machine-gun in few thousands years why is so strange that Leviathans make some progress too when they had millions years for this?

[Farangbaa]

So the Queen we met is not THE QUEEN, just only the last one?

 

DOH?

 

Or did you think the Queen crwadled back into an egg and launched herself into space?

[AlanC9]

Why did they need millions of Krogans to defeat the Rachni when it is seemingly a cakewalk to go directly for the Queen?

Multiple queens would be most likely. If I kill the queen in the ant's nest in my yard, I wouldn't exterminate the entire species.

[AlanC9]

If they - respectively some of them - were "harvested" to construct the FIRST reaper, the Harbinger, then they must have been defeated by something else, even more powerful than a reaper. What was this force?
 
But then again... how is it even possible to defeat the "apex" of evolution, when all these special reaper skills like indoctrination were developped and refined over time?

Harbinger was the first "true Reaper." So there were some sort of quasi-Reapers before him. Presumably purely synthetic, and therefore not very vulnerable to the Leviathan abilities.