1) Yes its a cain and no I don't have an answer as to why it can defeat the Hades Cannon, but not a destroyer.
Because Hades Cannons aren't destroyers? Don't have the same shielding, etc. Bio probably should have spent the zots for a new model there.
We don't know what shielding it has. And we haven't seen a cain used against a destroyer either. I would like to see what it would do, especially if fired at the back of a destroyer.
Nobody ever said any such thing. Enough dreadnought fire can take out a Reaper - see themikefest's post above, and cutscenes during the battle at Earth. It isn't that they're invulnerable, it's that they're better than Citadel ships. Note that Reapers are much more vulnerable in ME3 combat than Sovereign was during ME1. (The Rannoch finale does confuse a lot of players.)Yep, I wondered about that too after hearing “reapers are imperious to dreadnaught fire”. Looks like they’re not.
If nukes worked that well, the Reapers would be using them too, of course. Every time somebody comes up with a wonderful weapon to defeat the Reapers, it turns out that the technique would work even better against the organics.I’m also wondering where the NUKES were. Seems silly to have 10,000 ships fire “standard” ordinance at each other. A few well-placed tactical fusion nukes would have vaporized lots of reapers (including the other way around too).
We don't know what shielding it has. And we haven't seen a cain used against a destroyer either. I would like to see what it would do, especially if fired at the back of a destroyer.
Nobody ever said any such thing. Enough dreadnought fire can take out a Reaper - see themikefest's post above, and cutscenes during the battle at Earth. It isn't that they're invulnerable, it's that they're better than Citadel ships. Note that Reapers are much more vulnerable in ME3 combat than Sovereign was during ME1. (The Rannoch finale does confuse a lot of players.)
If nukes worked that well, the Reapers would be using them too, of course. Every time somebody comes up with a wonderful weapon to defeat the Reapers, it turns out that the technique would work even better against the organics.
The nuclear silos were the first things hit during the assault on Earth according to codex. In atmosphere, thermonuclear devices would have been very effective. Unfortunately Earth would have looked like Tuchanka. We weren't prepared. We didn't have Vaultec building underground security vaults for our population.
Some minutes ago I destroyed that reaper on Ranoch (...or the ike; Quarrian homeworld).... again.
As we all know, we need the Normandy AND the entire Quarrian fleet to succeed.
Back in ME 1 we needed the entire Alliance fleet and the Asari flagship Destiny Ascension to defeat Sovereign, not to mention the Citadel defences.
During the endfight in ME 3 Shep has to destroy two reapers:
1) For the first (a destroyer, IIRC) she uses a "heavy weapon" which looks like the "Cain" from ME 2
2) For the second she has to fire some rockets, "Javelins", mounted on a truck.
Was it explained somewhere, how it was possible to destroy reapers with normal stuff, while others required entire fleets?
Plot
If nukes worked that well, the Reapers would be using them too, of course. Every time somebody comes up with a wonderful weapon to defeat the Reapers, it turns out that the technique would work even better against the organics.
Kinetic barriers are useless against energy attacks of any kind. So yeah, nukes would be a wonderful weapon to use against Reapers.
Kinetic barriers are useless against energy attacks of any kind. So yeah, nukes would be a wonderful weapon to use against Reapers.
Nope they wouldn't be. The Reapers could defend themselves against it somehow, because the plot says so.
The same plot that protects Shepard from Reaper lasers that cut trough metal spaceships like butter but are unable to penetrate a stupid piece of rock behind which s/he takes cover.
Thx for the links. Excellent brushing-up of lost knowledge.
Of course I've gone through these conversations, too, but didn't see a consequent string from the Leviathan's creation (the Citadel?) and the subsequent events.
If the Leviathans are that powerful, how could it be, that they were "betrayed" by their own instrument?
If they - respectively some of them - were "harvested" to construct the FIRST reaper, the Harbinger, then they must have been defeated by something else, even more powerful than a reaper. What was this force?
But then again... how is it even possible to defeat the "apex" of evolution, when all these special reaper skills like indoctrination were developped and refined over time?
The Catalyst was basically like Skynet. It wasn't just your standard A.I, and it seems that the Leviathans gave it a great deal of control over the running and defense of their Empire. It was able to defeat them because in large part it had already been handed the keys to the kingdom. It brought their Empire down from within.
As to what forces were at the Catalyst's command prior to the first Reapers...it's never really stated. The Leviathan Shepard converses with states that the Intelligence (a.k.a. Catalyst) created an army of pawns that were later turned against the Leviathans. What exactly these pawns were is anyone's guess. Synthetics? Client species that were manipulated into rebelling against the Leviathans? Genetically modified servants like the Collectors? Some combination of any or all of these three?
With "normal stuff" I meant these truck-mounted rockests and the "Cain".
Nope they wouldn't be. The Reapers could defend themselves against it somehow, because the plot says so.
The same plot that protects Shepard from Reaper lasers that cut trough metal spaceships like butter but are unable to penetrate a stupid piece of rock behind which s/he takes cover.
Touche'.
Nobody ever said any such thing.
You come across as "a matter of fact". Do a google search for ""impervious to dreadnought fire" and see how many hits you get . EDI says so.
My point was they are NOT impervious -- yet you just repeat my point.
Then when I said "using nukes would work the other way around" (reapers against organics) you just reapeated my point again.
Using nukes.... in space perhaps, but on ground? Whom would they harvest after a nuclear strike?
Just been thinking and I may be wrong here..
The reapers were using Legion to broadcast reaper code to the fleet.
When you free him you are told that it had not made any difference as there are ground broadcast stations still doing it (which is why the quarians didn't resume wiping out the geth).
So what was the point of having Legion wired up like that?
Legion must've got connected to the Reaper as a part of the deal that got the geth working with the Reapers. After the deal, Reapers added a few other options, in case that connection is severed - it's in the middle of a battle after all.
My next point:
As we all know after the conversation with the "Catalyst"-child, it IS the Citadel. It governs the reapers and invented the "solution" called "harvest".
Because it IS the citadel, it can control anything what happens there. The council, the population, C-sec... all we know about the Citadel could be developed with the (silent) approval of the Catalyst.
Why did it send -respectively call - the Sovereign and Saren to attack the Citadel - so to speak to attack itself? Just to open that "gate" for the rest of the reapers? If it is powerful "beyond any comprehension" of all organic lifeforms, why does it need an indoctrinated spectre and the Sovereign to make itself up for it's creations?
Which explanation did I forget or not understand?
Either Indoctrination or Bad Writing.
My next point:
As we all know after the conversation with the "Catalyst"-child, it IS the Citadel. It governs the reapers and invented the "solution" called "harvest".
Because it IS the citadel, it can control anything what happens there. The council, the population, C-sec... all we know about the Citadel could be developed with the (silent) approval of the Catalyst.
Why did it send -respectively call - the Sovereign and Saren to attack the Citadel - so to speak to attack itself? Just to open that "gate" for the rest of the reapers? If it is powerful "beyond any comprehension" of all organic lifeforms, why does it need an indoctrinated spectre and the Sovereign to make itself up for it's creations?
Which explanation did I forget or not understand?
Either Indoctrination or bad writing.
Is the Catalyst actually "powerful" in itself? I don't recall hearing that or seeing any evidence of that.My next point:
Because it IS the citadel, it can control anything what happens there. The council, the population, C-sec... all we know about the Citadel could be developed with the (silent) approval of the Catalyst.
Why did it send -respectively call - the Sovereign and Saren to attack the Citadel - so to speak to attack itself? Just to open that "gate" for the rest of the reapers? If it is powerful "beyond any comprehension" of all organic lifeforms, why does it need an indoctrinated spectre and the Sovereign to make itself up for it's creations?
Which explanation did I forget or not understand?
Just been thinking and I may be wrong here..
The reapers were using Legion to broadcast reaper code to the fleet.
When you free him you are told that it had not made any difference as there are ground broadcast stations still doing it (which is why the quarians didn't resume wiping out the geth).
So what was the point of having Legion wired up like that?
You see this was a problem. The reaper was the originator of the signal, but Legion made the remix, and it was a hit among the Geth, and soon ground broadcast stations began beaming it all over.
That would explain this.
Oh, that ME2 line? Yeah, forgot about that one. My bad. That line wasn't a huge problem when ME2 was released because from all we could see in ME1 the Reapers were nearly impervious to attack. Not completely impervious, obviously, or Sovereign wouldn't have cared if the Citadel arms were open or not after he'd docked. And in ME3 the Reapers suddenly become much more vulnerable to attack.You come across as "a matter of fact". Do a google search for ""impervious to dreadnought fire" and see how many hits you get . EDI says so.
The point being that Reapers can be destroyed? Sure. We agree about that. My point about nukes was only that adding nukes to the setting wouldn't change anything much. They might make battles faster, might not, but if they did organics would just lose faster.My point was they are NOT impervious -- yet you just repeat my point.
Then when I said "using nukes would work the other way around" (reapers against organics) you just reapeated my point again.
Another thing I'm curious about. If refuse is chosen, does that mean the reapers have to FTL back to dark space? That's if the signal used by the Prothean scientists is never deactivated or destroyed by the reapers.
Another thing I'm curious about. If refuse is chosen, does that mean the reapers have to FTL back to dark space? That's if the signal used by the Prothean scientists is never deactivated or destroyed by the reapers.
Another thing I'm curious about. If refuse is chosen, does that mean the reapers have to FTL back to dark space? That's if the signal used by the Prothean scientists is never deactivated or destroyed by the reapers.
Just think about what happens when Xena is riding a winged Arabian in one scene, and is then riding a winged appaloosa in another.
A wizard did it.
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