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[Excella Gionne]

What I don't understand is that Legion can be seen by the Councilors, but yet, they aren't alerted by the fact that he's a geth. As much as funnies and jokes go, it really breaks immersion. That stupid C-Sec woman should be fired for even letting Legion in in the first place.

[Vazgen]

What I don't understand is that Legion can be seen by the Councilors, but yet, they aren't alerted by the fact that he's a geth. As much as funnies and jokes go, it really breaks immersion. That stupid C-Sec woman should be fired for even letting Legion in in the first place.

They mention him, as I recall. Something about a trophy robot's words being questionable

[Excella Gionne]

Does that quarian on the Citadel say anything if Legion is present in the scene? 

[Vazgen]

Does that quarian on the Citadel say anything if Legion is present in the scene? 

As far as I know, no. The quarian merchant on Omega doesn't care either

[Basher of Glory]

As far as I know, no. The quarian merchant on Omega doesn't care either

So you didn't give 1000 credits to the poor guy to buy tickets to go home respectively return to the fleet?

Bad Shep!

 

[Vazgen]

So you didn't give 1000 credits to the poor guy to buy tickets to go home respectively return to the fleet?

Bad Shep!

 

I've based that on wiki information Quarians are my favorite race, I could never leave him like that! 

[Basher of Glory]

I've based that on wiki information Quarians are my favorite race, I could never leave him like that! 

Ok, in this case I revoke my descision to exclude you from my bedtime prayers....

 

[Basher of Glory]

Next: The Collectors

 

Reading through the codex and all wiki-articles, I've not found something about their reproduction.

No "hive-queen" was mentioned or a mechanical way, such as making clones from their DNA.

 

Is anything known about this?

[Vazgen]

Next: The Collectors

 

Reading through the codex and all wiki-articles, I've not found something about their reproduction.

No "hive-queen" was mentioned or a mechanical way, such as making clones from their DNA.

 

Is anything known about this?

Well, we don't see Collector's in single-player after ME2. As for multiplayer, perhaps cloning? Since they are "mindless, closer to husks than slaves" I suspect there are no natural reproductive systems

[Iakus]

Next: The Collectors

 

Reading through the codex and all wiki-articles, I've not found something about their reproduction.

No "hive-queen" was mentioned or a mechanical way, such as making clones from their DNA.

 

Is anything known about this?

 

Mordin states in ME2 they are cloned from genetically altered Prothean DNA, with cybernetics used to replace organs that have deteriorated across cloned generations and indoctrination.

 

I wouldn't take anything from MP as canon.

[Basher of Glory]

Must every new cloned creature be indoctrinated again?

[Vazgen]

Must every new cloned creature be indoctrinated again?

Nah, the hardware does all the "thinking".

[Basher of Glory]

Meanwhile I played ME 2 a bit and listened to Mordin, when he talked about the Collectors. This conversation clarified all the questions about them.

 

New question:

 

Cerberus

 

Early in ME 3 an assignment is available, which sends Shep to Benning, where civilians are abducted in a way, which would even Cerberus consider brutal.

Hacket says during the debriefing, that it must have been a splinter group of Cerberus. Cerberus itself denies any involvement and Hacket believed them.

 

My question:

Is there anything known about a splinter group of Cerberus? As far as I understood the Citadel-DLC, the antagonist was annoyed by Cerberus and has therefore chosen a different path. Is this the only splinter group or did I miss something?

[Iakus]

By ME3, Cerberus was implanting its members with Reaper tech and indoctrinating civilians on Sanctuary to swell their ranks.

 

If anything, Cerberus was even more monolithic than any human group.  Cerberus was lying through its teeth about Benning and Hackett was mistaken in thinking it was a splinter group.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Meanwhile I played ME 2 a bit and listened to Mordin, when he talked about the Collectors. This conversation clarified all the questions about them.

 

New question:

 

Cerberus

 

Early in ME 3 an assignment is available, which sends Shep to Benning, where civilians are abducted in a way, which would even Cerberus consider brutal.

Hacket says during the debriefing, that it must have been a splinter group of Cerberus. Cerberus itself denies any involvement and Hacket believed them.

 

My question:

Is there anything known about a splinter group of Cerberus? As far as I understood the Citadel-DLC, the antagonist was annoyed by Cerberus and has therefore chosen a different path. Is this the only splinter group or did I miss something?

 

TIM has a rogue cell problem, even some the Cerberus groups encountered all the way back in ME1 were rogue cells. In fact rogue Cerberus cells appear in every game. Why these groups split up, how many exist, and how TIM deals with them is mostly unknown -- although the group in ME3 at least was confirmed at Cronos station to in fact be an actual Cerberus operation (because double twist?!?!). I think it's mostly a consequence of rebooting the organization every game and it's just some awful contrivance the writers use to bail out of keeping things consistent.

 

I do have a joke theory though that Cerberus is actually nothing but 'rogue cells' and TIM is some shut-in who keeps giving various groups money for their experiments in exchange for them slapping the logo onto everything -- all in order to maintain his delusion of control. Secretly the cells just send BS reports and only go rogue when they get tired of dealing with TIM and his prattling on and on about Cerberus being an idea.

[Basher of Glory]

Is there any evidence in the game since when exactly TIM was indoctrinated?

 

In many ways he made this impression already in ME 2, when he argued about the advantage of an undestroyed Collector Base.

[Vazgen]

Is there any evidence in the game since when exactly TIM was indoctrinated?

 

In many ways he made this impression already in ME 2, when he argued about the advantage of an undestroyed Collector Base.

In the games, no, unless you refer to the time when he was implanted with Reaper tech, which happens during ME3 (video log at Cerberus HQ)

In Mass Effect: Revelation comic it is shown that he first got into contact with Reaper tech during the First Contact War

[SporkFu]

Is there any evidence in the game since when exactly TIM was indoctrinated?

 

In many ways he made this impression already in ME 2, when he argued about the advantage of an undestroyed Collector Base.

Even before that, when he first tells shep that the colony on Horizon is being attacked. shep can tell him to contact the Alliance for backup, and he says, "I don't want them getting in our way." .... to me, that was the first hint that saving humans wasn't TIM's ultimate motive for going after the collectors. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

Is there any evidence in the game since when exactly TIM was indoctrinated?

 

In many ways he made this impression already in ME 2, when he argued about the advantage of an undestroyed Collector Base.

 

This is another point where the lore gets confusing. Supposedly in the comics it's implied that TIM was partly Indoctrinated long before the games begin. However, the games don't actually reflect on this at all, which leaves the implication that TIM got Indoctrinated pursuing Reaper tech, -- most likely the remains of the human Reaper from ME2. I honestly don't know because the writing with TIM is very inconsistent and either way you run into a jumble of plot holes and contrivances.

[Farangbaa]

Is there any evidence in the game since when exactly TIM was indoctrinated?

 

In many ways he made this impression already in ME 2, when he argued about the advantage of an undestroyed Collector Base.

 

... are you joking?

 

There's no upside to destroying the Collector base. Only if you metagame (or play a Shepard with fortune telling abilities ) you can argue in favour of destroying the base.

 

Destroying the base because of what happened there is like destroying the Pyramids because so many slaves/workers died building them.

 

 

Even before that, when he first tells shep that the colony on Horizon is being attacked. shep can tell him to contact the Alliance for backup, and he says, "I don't want them getting in our way." .... to me, that was the first hint that saving humans wasn't TIM's ultimate motive for going after the collectors. 

 

Or.. you know. The Alliance considers Cerberus a terrorist organization.

[ImaginaryMatter]

... are you joking?

 

There's no upside to destroying the Collector base. Only if you metagame (or play a Shepard with fortune telling abilities ) you can argue in favour of destroying the base.

 

Destroying the base because of what happened there is like destroying the Pyramids because so many slaves/workers died building them.

 

By destroying the base you keep it out of Cerberus's idiotic and short sided hands. I mean knowing Cerberus the scientists working on it would probably become a rogue cell or create something that kills all their guys, ultimately derailing the war effort either way.

 

An an aside the base is kept in all my playthroughs, but that's because I think TIM was never intended to be the lunatic he comes off as in ME2.

[Farangbaa]

By destroying the base you keep it out of Cerberus's idiotic and short sided hands. I mean knowing Cerberus the scientists working on it would probably become a rogue cell or create something that kills all their guys, ultimately derailing the war effort either way.

 

That's like destroying the Pyramids because Egypt was ruled by Mubarak.

 

Yes, I'm also very opposed to destroying the Reapers having the option to control them, before you ask.

[ImaginaryMatter]

That's like destroying the Pyramids because Egypt was ruled by Mubarak.

 

Not at all. The base can only be handed to Cerberus. I honestly think there is a case that TIM is too dumb to use the base. In an idiot's hand any value it has is rendered moot. For example, what if TIM's short-sidedness gets all of Cerberus Indoctrinated (like what happened in ME3?)? Then the base is ultimately a detriment to the war effort. What if Cerberus decides to use their newly minted human Reaper to attack unarmed human colonies to test the effect of newly minted human Reapers attacking unarmed human colonies?

 

Your analogy just doesn't fit. The pyramids can't cause any one harm just sitting out there in the desert and Mubarak is long dead. Meanwhile giving the base to Cerberus who has arguably proven pretty unworthy of the task could result and even more death with no benefit. I'm not saying the base has no value, it has lots of value. However, the problem is handing it to Cerberus.

[themikefest]

Destroy the base. Destroy the robots. Destroy the reapers.

[SporkFu]

 

Or.. you know. The Alliance considers Cerberus a terrorist organization.

What does that have to do with TIM being indoctrinated?