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[Coyotebay]

Unless Normandy was already in relay transit, in which case they're already en route to another system. I've always thought that's what the scene is showing us, since otherwise they could have just moved out of the way of the beam, right?

Well, this "beam" or whatever you want to call it clearly must wash over the entire solar system and every system it hits or it's gonna miss a lot of Reapers.  The scene where they are trying to outrun this beam looks pretty much like conventional propulsion to me.  When you go into relay transit you are basically jumping into a wormhole and coming out the other end almost instantaneously.  There's no propulsion through the wormhole, you aren't flying or piloting at that point.  Unless they've shown actual wormhole travel before and I forgot about it.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Well, this "beam" or whatever you want to call it clearly must wash over the entire solar system and every system it hits or it's gonna miss a lot of Reapers.  The scene where they are trying to outrun this beam looks pretty much like conventional propulsion to me.  When you go into relay transit you are basically jumping into a wormhole and coming out the other end almost instantaneously.  There's no propulsion through the wormhole, you aren't flying or piloting at that point.  Unless they've shown actual wormhole travel before and I forgot about it.

 

Mass Relay travel really isn't anything like wormhole travel other than it allows for movement across large distances in space very quickly. A Relay allows ships that move between them to travel many, many times faster than the speed of light due to a massive reduction of mass. Ships that enter relays I believe are still operating under conventional propulsion only the ship moves faster due to the mass reduction. During the cutscene I thought the blurred blue lines were supposed to be stars which is the standard convention for showing that things are moving fast in space.

[Vazgen]

 

Well, this "beam" or whatever you want to call it clearly must wash over the entire solar system and every system it hits or it's gonna miss a lot of Reapers.  The scene where they are trying to outrun this beam looks pretty much like conventional propulsion to me.  When you go into relay transit you are basically jumping into a wormhole and coming out the other end almost instantaneously.  There's no propulsion through the wormhole, you aren't flying or piloting at that point.  Unless they've shown actual wormhole travel before and I forgot about it.

They've shown it. When you arrive in the system where geth and quarians fight each other. Also, the loading screens, if you take them as evidence

[voteDC]

So you think, that someone, who is indoctrinated KNOWS that?

Yes, some people do know that.

Benezia certainly realised it. Even Saren began to question why he was acting the way he was..

So the Illusive Man could quite likely realise that he was suffering indoctrination.

[Iakus]

Well, this "beam" or whatever you want to call it clearly must wash over the entire solar system and every system it hits or it's gonna miss a lot of Reapers.  The scene where they are trying to outrun this beam looks pretty much like conventional propulsion to me.  When you go into relay transit you are basically jumping into a wormhole and coming out the other end almost instantaneously.  There's no propulsion through the wormhole, you aren't flying or piloting at that point.  Unless they've shown actual wormhole travel before and I forgot about it.

Mor ethan that, it washes across solar systems that don't have relays.  Or it's going to miss a lot of Reapers.

[Vazgen]

So, in Ruthless background Shepard is said to have led "a corps of elite ground troops into the heart of the enemy base". How many people is that, considering Shepard's rank and that the Major Kyle was his/her commanding officer during the mission?

[AlanC9]

Well, this "beam" or whatever you want to call it clearly must wash over the entire solar system and every system it hits or it's gonna miss a lot of Reapers. 

You're the one who called it a beam -- " was overtaken by the multicolored beam." I was just agreeing with your perception. And yeah, the effect does wash over everything, as we see. Beams between the relays, and waves expanding from the relays.

[AlanC9]

So the Illusive Man could quite likely realise that he was suffering indoctrination.

And does, in some versions of the ending.

[Basher of Glory]

Yes, some people do know that.

Benezia certainly realised it. Even Saren began to question why he was acting the way he was..

So the Illusive Man could quite likely realise that he was suffering indoctrination.

 

As far as I remember the final scenes, when TIM has his cognitive dissonance, he denies to be indoctrinated, yet realizing that he is. For me that sounded and looked like he was not aware of his indoctrination until the final dialogue.

 

Finally, would someone being indoctrinated realize this status as "suffering" and not rather as "blessing"?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

So, in Ruthless background Shepard is said to have led "a corps of elite ground troops into the heart of the enemy base". How many people is that, considering Shepard's rank and that the Major Kyle was his/her commanding officer during the mission?

 

Shepard probably led a platoon. But you know Bioware has no idea about military ranks and promotions, let alone what the military does. They give us Anderson who says "Shepard, I'm sending you up the middle where the resistance is the heaviest."  - right. This is your most important person to get to the beam and you're putting them in the most danger. Idiot.

[Vazgen]

Shepard probably led a platoon. But you know Bioware has no idea about military ranks and promotions, let alone what the military does. They give us Anderson who says "Shepard, I'm sending you up the middle where the resistance is the heaviest." - right. This is your most important person to get to the beam and you're putting them in the most danger. Idiot.

I won't argue about the beam charge, though I don't consider Anderson an idiot to give that order.
I'm writing a story for Ruthless background and face this "corps issue". I have no idea about military unit sizes, can you tell me how many soldiers are we talking about? Also, can corps be a general word for unit or something?

[Basher of Glory]

A "corps" would be a large military unit, nowadays consisting of 2 - 3 divisions, in total about 20 - 90.000 soldiers.

Where did you come across this in ME?

 

A "platoon" is a part of a "company". The typical US-rifle platoon is composed of 42 soldiers, led by a 2nd lieutenant with his platoon sergeant.

 

I agree to sH0tgUn jUliA, that the writers of Bioware at least don't care too much about the authenticity of military ranks and other military issues.

 

Shepard as a "commander", which equals the rank of a lieutenant-colonel, would not have to fight personally in a modern army, at least not like she does in ME. It would have been much more realistic, if she was a gunnery sergeant ("chief") like Ashley in ME 1.

[JamesFaith]

I'm writing a story for Ruthless background and face this "corps issue". I have no idea about military unit sizes, can you tell me how many soldiers are we talking about? Also, can corps be a general word for unit or something?

 

Number of soldiers in platoon can be anywhere between 20 and 50, there are big difference in numbers in different states.

 

And I think corps is really sometimes used as description on unspecified military unit, I'm seeing it often in books when author want to avoid details.

[Vazgen]

A "corps" would be a large military unit, nowadays consisting of 2 - 3 divisions, in total about 20 - 90.000 soldiers.

Where did you come across this in ME?

 

A "platoon" is a part of a "company". The typical US-rifle platoon is composed of 42 soldiers, led by a 2nd lieutenant with his platoon sergeant.

 

I agree to sH0tgUn jUliA, that the writers of Bioware at least don't care too much about the authenticity of military ranks and other military issues.

 

Shepard as a "commander", which equals the rank of a lieutenant-colonel, would not have to fight personally in a modern army, at least not like she does in ME. It would have been much more realistic, if she was a gunnery sergeant ("chief") like Ashley in ME 1.

I got it from Codex: Personal History Summary. I know Bioware have established a new set of military ranks for ME universe, but I've never seen definitions for military units. I highly doubt they would entrust 20-90000 people to a junior officer and then even reward him despite losing 3/4 of the striking force.

 

Number of soldiers in platoon can be anywhere between 20 and 50, there are big difference in numbers in different states.

 

And I think corps is really sometimes used as description on unspecified military unit, I'm seeing it often in books when author want to avoid details.

Platoon seems like the best fit for that unit. Storming an underground bunker with 3-4 people is suicidal and doing it with a larger striking force will not be of any advantage due to close quarters combat

[Basher of Glory]

Yet another thing, which is unclear for me:

 

When Shep is going to "cure the genophage", Mordin says, that he needs the Krogan female for that.

But then, at the tower, Mordin is alone with Shep before he goes up for the final procedure.

 

For what reason have they brought the Krogan woman all the way through dangerous terrain?

[Vazgen]

To synthesize cure. Shroud facility has the equipment and the procedure is quite tricky, even with the possibility of Eve's death

[von uber]

Why not just take a tissue sample of her.

[themikefest]

A "platoon" is a part of a "company". The typical US-rifle platoon is composed of 42 soldiers, led by a 2nd lieutenant with his platoon sergeant.

 

Platoons don't need 42 to make a platoon. It can have  more or less. My platoon had only 36 and a couple others had less. The highest number I saw in a platoon was 51.

 

A platoon can be run by a 2nd LT. or a 1st LT. The platoon sergeant is usually an E-6(Staff Sergeant) or an E-7(Sergeant First Class)

 

A company is usually made up of 4 platoons and a Battalion is made up of 4 companies. If Shepard's rank is the equivalent of a LT. Colonel, he/she would be the Commanding Officer of that Battlion. A Captain is the Commanding Officer for a company

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

At the time of Torfan, I would guess that Shepard could have been at her lowest rank a 2nd lieutenant, depending upon how fast she rose through the ranks and her age of enlistment. Like I said before, it's hard and fast 18 years old for the Spacer and Earthborn, but the Colonist Shepard has quite a bit of wiggle room. Colonist Shepard might have had to work out some psychological issues first before enlistment. Those can take time. Colonist Shepard is also the most likely to have the Ruthless background in my opinion. It would be considered payback with an axe to grind.

 

Considering Shepard is under a major at the time, I would consider her to be most likely a jr. officer and thus commanding a platoon.

[SporkFu]

"...but you'll never be as bad ass as lieutenant Shepard!" ... doesn't have the same ring, heh. Good thing she hadn't established a rep yet. 

[Basher of Glory]

Platoons don't need 42 to make a platoon. It can have  more or less. My platoon had only 36 and a couple others had less. The highest number I saw in a platoon was 51.

 

A platoon can be run by a 2nd LT. or a 1st LT. The platoon sergeant is usually an E-6(Staff Sergeant) or an E-7(Sergeant First Class)

 

 

 

Please read my lines: "...the typical ...."

 

I agree, that there are many variations, both in size and in leadership.

If you add particular variations of elite-units, different countries, different tasks, this subject would certainly go beyond the scope of the discussion.

[Vazgen]

Why not just take a tissue sample of her.

We don't know how the cure is synthesized. We do know that Eve can die because of that procedure. I doubt Mordin would risk her if it was unnecessary

[themikefest]

Please read my lines: "...the typical ...."

 

I agree, that there are many variations, both in size and in leadership.

If you add particular variations of elite-units, different countries, different tasks, this subject would certainly go beyond the scope of the discussion.

You mentioned US and that's what I was talking about. Read my post. And now you mention other countries when you were referring to the US in the post that I quoted. Why?

[Basher of Glory]

You mentioned US and that's what I was talking about. Read my post. And now you mention other countries when you were referring to the US in the post that I quoted. Why?

 Well, I thought this would show you, that I agree.

 

Please read this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platoon

especially the paragraph "United States Army".

 

Really, basically we talk about the same and have in generally a consensus, at least in my opinion.

Let us finish this discussion, because it becomes too academic for my taste.

[Basher of Glory]

Next thing: AI (yes, AI, not VI)

 

If I understood correctly, then EDI was the AI which went rogue on the moon during ME 1.

She became an AI there because of unknown coincidences, at least I don't remember an explanation. Somehow she was taken by Cerberus and developed further.

 

The Geth "suddenly" were self-aware, which was not the plan of their makers.

 

All in all it seems, that the planned "programming" of a true AI is at least a hard piece of work, if even possible. All the AIs in the game arose by accident, at least as far as I understood.

 

And now there is this robot of Cerberus, Eva Coré. She is clearly an AI, right?

 

Question:

 

Was there any explanation, where this AI came from? Was it "coded" by Cerberus? If yes, I must wonder even more, why Cerberus didn't simply take over the entire galaxy...