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[Hawkamania]

In the event that you spare and recruit Loghain, I've read that you can instead choose Loghain to perform Morrigan's ritual with her instead of yourself. I'm curious though, if you choose Loghain to execute the killing blow to the Archdemon does this mean he will be able to survive? Or unlike yourself if you were to perform the ritual with Morrigan, will he die? I ask because from everything I've read he seems to die no matter what.

[TheMadHarridan]

If either you or Loghain do the DR, both of you will survive no matter what. It's just like having Alistair do it: everyone survives. And if the DR is done (by whomever), the Warden will automatically take the final blow against Archie, killing him and enjoying some well-deserved glory. Loghain's dialogue at the Post-Coronation is pretty interesting, particularly if your Warden is marrying Anora.

 

On a side note, having Loghain do the DR is WAY creepier than having Alistair do it, in my opinion. What Loghain and Morrigan say is more disturbing (a desiccated corpse is mentioned), and Loghain on the bed giving the half smirk/half cringe face is just icky. I'm shuddering as I type this. Ew.

[Hawkamania]

I'm trying to make sure I fully understand you because your second sentence threw me off just a bit. So let me see if I understand you correctly, if Loghain or Alistair does the DR then my Warden has to automatically land the final blow and thus make the ultimate sacrifice? Or are you saying that if I have Loghain or Alistair do the DR, I can have one of them deal the final blow and have everyone survive?

[theskymoves]

I'm trying to make sure I fully understand you because your second sentence threw me off just a bit. So let me see if I understand you correctly, if Loghain or Alistair does the DR then my Warden has to automatically land the final blow and thus make the ultimate sacrifice? Or are you saying that if I have Loghain or Alistair do the DR, I can have one of them deal the final blow and have everyone survive?

If you persuade either Alistair or Loghain to perform the ritual, the Warden always makes the killing blow to the Archdemon, and the Warden and Alistair/Loghain (as may be) all survive. (Think of the Dark Ritual as a "Get Out of Death Free" card.)

[Hawkamania]

If you persuade either Alistair or Loghain to perform the ritual, the Warden always makes the killing blow to the Archdemon, and the Warden and Alistair/Loghain (as may be) all survive. (Think of the Dark Ritual as a "Get Out of Death Free" card.)

 

Ah ok, thanks for the clarification. I just assumed that the Dark Ritual only allowed the individual whom actually participated in it with Morrigan to survive. That does pose another question for me however, how then are you able to make the ultimate sacrifice? Like I said above, I always assumed that if my Warden didn't partake in the DR and Alistair/Loghain did so in my place, with my Warden making the killing blow to the Archdemon, that my Warden would be the one to die thus fulfilling the ultimate sacrifice.

[theskymoves]

Ah ok, thanks for the clarification. I just assumed that the Dark Ritual only allowed the individual whom actually participated in it with Morrigan to survive. That does pose another question for me however, how then are you able to make the ultimate sacrifice? Like I said above, I always assumed that if my Warden didn't partake in the DR and Alistair/Loghain did so in my place, with my Warden making the killing blow to the Archdemon, that my Warden would be the one to die thus fulfilling the ultimate sacrifice.

 

No, the Dark Ritual protects both Wardens... I think Morrigan's explanation makes that clear, but she's sometimes not the most direct person.

 

So, tell Morrigan no. Refuse the ritual. Then someone will die killing Archie. (Note that Morrigan will also abandon your party in a fit of pique, something to bear in mind if she is integral to your playstyle.)

[Hawkamania]

No, the Dark Ritual protects both Wardens... I think Morrigan's explanation makes that clear, but she's sometimes not the most direct person.

 

So, tell Morrigan no. Refuse the ritual. Then someone will die killing Archie. (Note that Morrigan will also abandon your party in a fit of pique, something to bear in mind if she is integral to your playstyle.)

 

Yeah it has been forever since my first playthrough and I'm currently in the middle of my second, so I don't remember all of the dialogue either. However, I never realized you could out right refuse the DR for yourself and Alistair/Loghain, so thanks again for all the help!

[Lavaeolus]

The Dark Ritual impregnates Morrigan. The "child" acts a beacon, so when the Archdemon is offed its soul is drawn to it instead of whichever Warden kills it, preventing a soul clash that destroys the both of them.

 

If the Dark Ritual only saved whoever did the deed, and then the one who didn't do it killed the Archdemon, then the whole thing would be for naught.

[Hawkamania]

The Dark Ritual impregnates Morrigan. The "child" acts a beacon, so when the Archdemon is offed its soul is drawn to it instead of whichever Warden kills it, preventing a soul clash that destroys the both of them.

 

If the Dark Ritual only saved whoever did the deed, and then the one who didn't do it killed the Archdemon, then the whole thing would be for naught.

 

I just assumed it was more of a greedy choice, one that had to be made, and if the Warden decided instead to pass this form of "protection" on to a fellow party member in the event they had to be the one to deal the final blow, they'd be spared while the Warden made the ultimate sacrifice.

 

I guess my mind thought of it in RPing form I guess, assuming that the Warden would rather insure the life of Alistair/Loghain in the event they were in the best position to slay the Archdemon when the time came and if not, the Warden was ready to die if the situation fell to him.

[Aren]

If you persuade either Alistair or Loghain to perform the ritual, the Warden always makes the killing blow to the Archdemon, and the Warden and Alistair/Loghain (as may be) all survive. (Think of the Dark Ritual as a "Get Out of Death Free" card.)

is not really  free, many underestimate the fact that the soul of a child would be destroyed. Is like  a possesion is not a fusion of souls is a possesion.

[Mykel54]

is not really  free, many underestimate the fact that the soul of a child would be destroyed. Is like  a possesion is not a fusion of souls is a possesion.

 

Quoting for emphasis - i am glad other people notice this detail too. Also remember that blood magic is powered through suffering (source: world of thedas), and the dark ritual is blood magic (source: Morrigan in DAO), therefore this "dark sex ritual" with Morrigan has someone suffering. I bet it is not Morrigan nor the warden, i think it is the yet-to-be baby who is getting his essence crushed and getting posessed by some dragon god.

[Cyrus Amell]

is not really  free, many underestimate the fact that the soul of a child would be destroyed. Is like  a possesion is not a fusion of souls is a possesion.

 

At so early a stage the child wasn't even formed. Whether or not a spiritual 'soul' is made manifest at conception in a world of magic and dragons is a topic minefield that would cover half of Thedas.

 

Suffice to say, the implications of a pure and untainted Old God surviving into the present day far out-ways concerns of the aforementioned matter. This could either change the world for better or bring about a new Dark Age.

[Aren]

At so early a stage the child wasn't even formed. Whether or not a spiritual 'soul' is made manifest at conception in a world of magic and dragons is a topic minefield that would cover half of Thedas.

 

Suffice to say, the implications of a pure and untainted Old God surviving into the present day far out-ways concerns of the aforementioned matter. This could either change the world for better or bring about a new Dark Age.

Imao destroy the soul of an infant(potentially of course)isn't a concern?

People on this forum are way too "dark" for me

[Hair Serious Business]

Spoiler

It does not matter if you/Loghain or Alistair did ritual...if it's done then in end you will be one killing Archdemon which means you are one who has slayed it and saved Ferelden and everyone will consider you main here.So it's all same as long as ritual is done the ending and outcome of it is same.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

On a side note, having Loghain do the DR is WAY creepier than having Alistair do it, in my opinion. What Loghain and Morrigan say is more disturbing (a desiccated corpse is mentioned), and Loghain on the bed giving the half smirk/half cringe face is just icky. I'm shuddering as I type this. Ew.

 

I still find Alistair/Morrigan harder to swallow, myself, in a "Michigan and Ohio State fan make out with each other"-kind of way.

 

Alistair would be the OSU fan.

[TheMadHarridan]

Great comparison, HYR 2.0! I laughed out loud when I read your post, as one of those colleges is my alma mater.