I was thinking of doing another playthrough of the trilogy but instead of going full paragon or renegade like I usually do, I was going to do a nice mix of the two. I was wondering though if its still possible to use charm and intimidate in conversations since the morality system in ME1 & ME2 means that it is usually best to pick either paragon or renegade responses.
Has anyone done a playthrough of a paragade/renegon Shepard and still have enough points to use charm and intimidate options?
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Yes, it is perfectly possible. In fact, maybe you should try a non-persuade option game. Find out what happens when you don't pick the "I win" dialogue option. For instance, I'll bet you always take an interrupt with Mordin when you first meet him. But if you don't you find out he has a very funny line of dialogue you can get if you don't take an interrupt. Or how about those Salarians you meet on Thane's mission that point a gun at you? Have you ever tried not taking a persuade option with them? It's quite amusing.
The two most important persuade options are actually fairly easy to pass for a renagon/paragade: the loyalty disputes. With Jack/Miranda the renegade percent needed is rather low, and with Tali/Legion, the paragon percent is fairly low. The only persuade options I have had problems passing with my "neutral" characters (i.e. 50/50) are with Vasir and the hostage (in which case I just shoot the hostage) and with Morinth. But I hardly care about Morinth since I was going to pick Samara anyway, although Shepard does look kind of stupid being mind controlled by Morinth.
Don't get hung up on having the game play you. Play your character the way you want, not the way the game wants.
Eh, in ME1 if you are a new character, your investment in Charm or Intimidate makes more of a difference than your dialogue choices. You can only get 4 morality points for free, and you need to invest 6 to pass all checks (in Intimidate) if you take all the points. But of course there are exploits to get around that.
For ME2 it will help to import a character for the bonus, and then use the passive training with the high morality bonus if you have a problem passing a check you want to pass.
I suppose I am a paragade. I am very cautious about pulling interrupts. I like interrupts, I just do not always pull one. The ironic thing is that I will stare at them when they are flashing and weigh in the pros and cons as fast as I can.
Of all my playthroughs I have, I've never played as a paragade or renegon. I don't expect that to change.
I suppose I am a paragade. I am very cautious about pulling interrupts. I like interrupts, I just do not always pull one. The ironic things is I will stare at them when they are flashing and weigh in the pros and cons as fast as I can.
My first paragon playthrough of Mordin's loyalty mission was annoying since I had to listen to the blood pack leader ramble on about conquering the galaxy while the renegade interrupt kept flashing, enticing me to shoot the bastard. Pretty annoying too since I kept dying from his shotgun blasts and the game kept loading to before the krogan's ramblings.
Yes, it is perfectly possible. In fact, maybe you should try a non-persuade option game. Find out what happens when you don't pick the "I win" dialogue option. For instance, I'll bet you always take an interrupt with Mordin when you first meet him. But if you don't you find out he has a very funny line of dialogue you can get if you don't take an interrupt. Or how about those Salarians you meet on Thane's mission that point a gun at you? Have you ever tried not taking a persuade option with them? It's quite amusing.
The two most important persuade options are actually fairly easy to pass for a renagon/paragade: the loyalty disputes. With Jack/Miranda the renegade percent needed is rather low, and with Tali/Legion, the paragon percent is fairly low. The only persuade options I have had problems passing with my "neutral" characters (i.e. 50/50) are with Vasir and the hostage (in which case I just shoot the hostage) and with Morinth. But I hardly care about Morinth since I was going to pick Samara anyway, although Shepard does look kind of stupid being mind controlled by Morinth.
Don't get hung up on having the game play you. Play your character the way you want, not the way the game wants.
I still have to try a non-persuasive game. And yeah, I agree, I never take that interrupt with Mordin anymore. I was missing out.
My first paragon playthrough of Mordin's loyalty mission was annoying since I had to listen to the blood pack leader ramble on about conquering the galaxy while the renegade interrupt kept flashing, enticing me to shoot the bastard. Pretty annoying too since I kept dying from his shotgun blasts and the game kept loading to before the krogan's ramblings.
That is one of the interrupts I will pull; however, I will not pull it right away.
It's not easy to mix both and still be able to prevent some conflicts between the crew. In ME1 and ME2, especially for ME2, you need to stick to one alignment to fully max it out. You could pick a few other paragons or renegades then and there, but make sure the decision made at the particular time does not greatly contribute to the opposite alignment you are actually striving for. You may find yourself unable to max out either your paragon or renegade bar.
It's not easy to mix both and still be able to prevent some conflicts between the crew. In ME1 and ME2, especially for ME2, you need to stick to one alignment to fully max it out. You could pick a few other paragons or renegades then and there, but make sure the decision made at the particular time does not greatly contribute to the opposite alignment you are actually striving for. You may find yourself unable to max out either your paragon or renegade bar.
This is not true. As I said above, even my 50/50 characters are able to pass the loyalty disputes. The renegade percent needed for the MIranda/Jack dispute is not that high, neither is the paragon percent needed to pass the Legion/Tali dispute. Moreover, the only dispute that really matters is the Jack/Miranda one. If you can't pass that one (unlikely) then side with Miranda (assuming you want her to live in ME3 and that you are not romancing Jack) and don't use Jack for any tasks on the Collector Base. Grunt, Garrus and Zaeed (assuming they are loyal) can keep her and any number of non-loyal team mates alive. The Legion/Tali dispute, while it has an effect on peace during the Rannoch arc is not vital either. Just be sure to destroy the heretics rather than re-write them and making peace won't be too hard.
The key is to earn points whenever possible and to import a large number from ME1. I have taken to glitching out my paragon and renegade scores in ME1 so that I can import 190 points of each. This makes passing almost every persuade check fairly easy. There still some that I can't pass, but I have never had problems with the loyalty disputes as long as I am making sure to use opportunities to earn more points along the way.
This is not true. As I said above, even my 50/50 characters are able to pass the loyalty disputes. The renegade percent needed for the MIranda/Jack dispute is not that high, neither is the paragon percent needed to pass the Legion/Tali dispute. Moreover, the only dispute that really matters is the Jack/Miranda one. If you can't pass that one (unlikely) then side with Miranda (assuming you want her to live in ME3 and that you are not romancing Jack) and don't use Jack for any tasks on the Collector Base. Grunt, Garrus and Zaeed (assuming they are loyal) can keep her and any number of non-loyal team mates alive. The Legion/Tali dispute, while it has an effect on peace during the Rannoch arc is not vital either. Just be sure to destroy the heretics rather than re-write them and making peace won't be too hard.
The key is to earn points whenever possible and to import a large number from ME1. I have taken to glitching out my paragon and renegade scores in ME1 so that I can import 190 points of each. This makes passing almost every persuade check fairly easy. There still some that I can't pass, but I have never had problems with the loyalty disputes as long as I am making sure to use opportunities to earn more points along the way.
ME2 is buggy towards these conflicts. I always need a full paragon or renegade when confronting Jack and Miranda. Some may find themselves not needing full alignment, but others like I, have to have a full alignment on either to actually stop the conflict without choosing either sides. If you pick either sides, sometimes the game will bug and you will be unable to persuade either of the two. There have been multiple experiences with the squadmate conflicts...
There is only one option I never got - "the fastest interrogation ever" option on Thane's loyalty mission. It must require quite a lot of Renegade points
ME2 is buggy towards these conflicts. I always need a full paragon or renegade when confronting Jack and Miranda. Some may find themselves not needing full alignment, but others like I, have to have a full alignment on either to actually stop the conflict without choosing either sides. If you pick either sides, sometimes the game will bug and you will be unable to persuade either of the two. There have been multiple experiences with the squadmate conflicts...
Imported characters with 50% bars filled in ME1 get 150 points added to their y values (points you have). Pure ME1 paragons will only get 150 added to paragon, pure renegades 150 to renegade. You only need about 50% of the bar filled though. This then changes like follows:
You can import up to 190 points of each, not just 150.
You can import up to 190 points of each, not just 150.
Doing that interrogation durning Thane'ds loyalty mission is fun. It saves time to do it as quickly as possible and to hear Thane say that it might go down as the quickest interrogation ever. I believe I had my renegade at about 3/4 filled. My paragon was at maybe 1/8
For the thousandth time: this doesn't matter. What you see on the character screen is only the y value. You could have a full renegade bar and still miss the check.Doing that interrogation durning Thane'ds loyalty mission is fun. It saves time to do it as quickly as possible and to hear Thane say that it might go down as the quickest interrogation ever. I believe I had my renegade at about 3/4 filled. My paragon was at maybe 1/8
For the thousandth time: this doesn't matter. What you see on the character screen is only the y value. You could have a full renegade bar and still miss the check.
Trust me on this, I've had full paragon and renegade bars and still missed both checks on Vasir
Why did you mention Vasir? I was talking about Thane.
And all I did was post what my renegade bar was at and what my paragon bar was at. I was still able to get all responses for the interrogation
Just so you know, I've never played a renegon or paragade. Its either full renegade or full paragon.
Why did you mention Vasir? I was talking about Thane.
And all I did was post what my renegade bar was at and what my paragon bar was at. I was still able to get all responses for the interrogation
I mentioned Vasir because she's a perfect example of why your bars don't mean anything. I've had full bars, both paragon and renegade, and still missed out on both checks
Which is useless information because that's not how the checks work in ME2.
Why don't you try having both bars full and see if you're able to get the responses in the interrogation during Thane's loyalty mission. Just because you didn't get the correct responses in one situation doesn't mean you won't in another.
If its useless as you say, than why quote what I posted?
Off topic, isn't quoting someone an accepted form for replying to the said person on this forum?
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