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[Master Warder Z_]

Also they probably didn't sack Val Royeuax.

 

...That isn't something to brag about.

[Shadow Fox]

I always saw the destruction of Arlathan similar to what is said historically of the fall of Carthage, myself.     That Rome not only destroyed the city, but buried it and even salted the earth so nothing would ever grow there.    

Man what'd they do to ****** off Rome so badly?

[Master Warder Z_]

Man what'd they do to ****** off Rome so badly?

 

<.<

 

A lot.

 

The Punic wars had a bit of build up.

[Willowhugger]

I think of the Elves in Dragon Age as very Jewish.

The Dalish...not so much.

I like the Elves as Medieval Jews and thus City Elves are my favorite because Jewish representation is underdone in fantasy gaming.

Also, it's really good revenge porn to have the Jewish Elven Bride kick some Gentile butt.

[Willowhugger]

Man what'd they do to ****** off Rome so badly?

 

Short short version is Rome and Carthage were big rivals.

Then Carthage humiliated Rome in war for a decade despite being unable to conquer it.

Despite winning the war, a lot of Roman politicians decided they needed to destroy Carthage forever.

So they did.

[Master Warder Z_]

-_-'' Gentile, if ever there was an insult so casually uttered...that and Goy...Ugh!

[Shadow Fox]

Short short version is Rome and Carthage were big rivals.

Then Carthage humiliated Rome in war for a decade despite being unable to conquer it.

Despite winning the war, a lot of Roman politicians decided they needed to destroy Carthage forever.

So they did.

Thanks Wills.

[Knight_47K]

To be very fair even I can draw comparisons between my people and the Elves. Islamic extremists, destroyed our homes and temples and we had to flee our home land. Although we are not poor like the elves, our culture is slowly fading. I am the first generation to be brought up outside Kashmir. And I cannot speak our language. We don't follow half our customs. And like elves, once we marry into another community, our kids will never be Kashmiri Pandits.

 

Our facial features are the most different among all the Indians, you can easily spot a Kashmiri Pandit among a crowd of Indians. However, once you marry, your offspring will most likely not inherit those features. And name calling sure, my people used to be called names when we lived in Kashmir. We were the minority so our women were teased and harassed. So yeah, pretty similar to what elves faced.

 

However, the differences can be seen once you realize how a certain community developed after the atrocity happened. After nearly 25 years of exodus,  my people are engineers, scientists, Doctors, architects, Businessmen, while the ones who threw us out are still there in the same place doing the same things they did before. They threw us out by violence to achieve peace, sadly there is no peace for the wicked.

 

Funny part is India is a democracy and its a free country.

[Willowhugger]

-_-'' Gentile, if ever there was an insult so casually uttered...that and Goy...Ugh!

Shemlen!

 

You can say it even in normal conversation!

 

Except, well, that one time Merril says it.

That time was really awful.

[Master Warder Z_]

Shemlen!

 

You can say it even in normal conversation!

 

Except, well, that one time Merril says it.

That time was really awful.

 

Like i am going to give her the ancient carving knife...

[Willowhugger]

Like i am going to give her the ancient carving knife...

I admit, I have a bad feeling my consistent support of Merill and her use of Blood Magic as well as finally fixing the Demon Mirror is going to bite me in the ass come DA:I.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

...That isn't something to brag about.

 

Uh, elves don't brag about not sacking Val Royeax and I'm not saying they do. But when forum members condemn them for doing so, I point out that it isn't mentioned in WoT.

[Master Warder Z_]

I admit, I have a bad feeling my consistent support of Merill and her use of Blood Magic as well as finally fixing the Demon Mirror is going to bite me in the ass come DA:I.

 

It really should.

 

 

Uh, elves don't brag about not sacking Val Royeax 

 

They shouldn't.

 

That can only lead to frustration.

[Willowhugger]

It really should.

 

Maleficar Hawke always helping out Fenris, expressing concern for his wellbeing, and killing slavers was very-very confusing to him.

 

:-)

[Shadow Fox]

I admit, I have a bad feeling my consistent support of Merill and her use of Blood Magic as well as finally fixing the Demon Mirror is going to bite me in the ass come DA:I.

If it does I hope she only blows herself up

 

...Garrett gave her the knife too. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Maleficar Hawke always helping out Fenris, expressing concern for his wellbeing, and killing slavers was very-very confusing to him.

 

:-)

 

Fenris is sort of adorable if he falls for you...and dat voice...

 

[Willowhugger]

But yes, one of my big disappointments with Dragon Age 2 was the focus on the Mage/Templars with so little focus on the City Elves and Dalish. The plight of the elves is just as important to me as the Plight of Mages. The Alienage in Kirkwall was kind of nice, which is strange, given the rest of Kirkwall was such a ****hole.

 

At least I got to kill a serial killer of elves and tell Aveline off about trying to hang the elven vigilantes.

"What? THIS is what you brought me here for? [censored] the guy they killed."

It's when I got the Arishok Approval Achievement.

[Master Warder Z_]

I would have killed the elves for joining the Qun.

 

Not killing a corrupt guardsmen.

 

But then again my morality as many people have told me is fairly warped.

[Knight_47K]

In contrast to elves, I always thought that dwarven caste system was derived from the Hindu Caste System. There are predefined casts.

 

In terms of Hierarchy:

 

Brahmins -- Scholars

Kyatri -- Warrior / Noble

Vaishya -- Merchant / Smiths

Shudra -- Casteless / Untouchables.

 

Before Hinduism was established as a religion, we were Aryans. They used to mark people suitable for a certain type of job early on in the life like the Qunari do.

 

Not sure when that test was abolished and occupations started being handled based on blood rather than skill. Like in Dwarves, son of a noble is born a noble. Same way a shudra will only give birth to shudra.

 

There are also, similarities in how Dwarves claim to be part of a house. With the name coming from first of the house. Same way we have 'gotras', the name given to the first of our house. And like Dwarven casteless, Indian casteless do not have 'gotras' / house. And they suffered pretty much the same atrocities that DAO shows dwarves in orzammar are suffering.

 

Difference is this:

If you are a casteless, no matter what you do, even if you **** gold, you can never upgrade your caste. No paragons here. (Not really sure how many castless became paragons, DAverse)

If you are NOT a casteless, no matter what you do, you can never be named castless. You can murder 25 people and still die a brahmin / scholar.

 

Now the government prohibits it. But the caste system is embedded in the blood, once its there you can never remove it.

[LobselVith8]

I'm not anti-Dalish, in fact [apart for some theoretical bad-arse Arlathan survivors] the Dalish are perhaps my favourite faction. Got to give props to the guys who just refuse to quit even when they are almost sure to lose. However, there seems to be some serious disconnect between what they are supposed to be and how they are portrayed in game. Namely, the weird vegan bourgeois stink they seem to get associated with [when lore-wise they seem to be closer to classy-hillbillies], nor do I care for this weird obsession they have for loudly and proudly proclaiming their 'victimhood' to anyone they meet; that sure as hell is one way to get everyone to hate on you. 

 

The Dalish are wary of outsiders in Andrastian lands because they're criminals by virtue of their cultural and religious beliefs - as well as their acceptance of free mages within their society. It's why human lords drive them off their land, and why we had the Sabrae Clan tell the protagonist about dealing with threats made against them to convert to the Andrastian faith. Centuries of having to be wary about Andrastians as a matter of survival isn't likely to be conducive to having the Dalish immediately trust an outsider.

 

Also, I'm not sure why you think everyone treats the protagonist uncivilly. We have Lanaya, Elora, Cammen, Ghenya, Varathorn, and Deygan as a few of the characters who are civil to the protagonist, and Sarel is only hostile because his wife was recently killed by the werewolves. Velanna's clan remarks positively when they see her in the company of humans. Merrill is also another tolerant character, even when Fenris and Anders are being continually respectful to her, like when Anders tries to push his Andrastian faith on her to convince her that her Dalish beliefs are wrong.

 

The Dalish are supposed the remnants of the Dales' noble-blooded clans, I'd like to see them actually act like it for once. There's a difference between remembering and valuing your roots and acting like every other person you ever met personally ran over your puppy and stole your bike. 

 

Some of the Dalish are descended from the nobility who governed the Dales, but not everyone in the clan is. The elven protagonist, for example, isn't descended from one of the nobility.

[Willowhugger]

I would have killed the elves for joining the Qun.

 

Not killing a corrupt guardsmen.

 

But then again my morality as many people have told me is fairly warped.

 

To be fair to the elves, I think they were less than sincere about their conversion. It was just a way of giving the finger to the guards who would hang them for justice by hiding behind the big people in town. Then again, the Qunari did have a lot of elven converts.

 

Probably because they knew the Kirkwall nobility feared them.

 

 

Also, I'm not sure why you think everyone treats the protagonist uncivilly. We have Lanaya, Elora, Cammen, Ghenya, Varathorn, and Deygan as characters who are civil to the protagonist, and Sarel is only hostile because his wife was recently killed by the werewolves. Velanna's clan remarks positively when they see her in the company of humans. Merrill is also another tolerant character, even when Fenris and Anders are being continually respectful to her, like when Anders tries to push his Andrastian faith on her to convince her that her Dalish beliefs are wrong.

There's a general sense of the Romani in the Dalish as well.

People who are homeless and continually harassed by outsiders because their existence offends them.

Not because said people pose any sort of threat.

[Shadow Fox]

But yes, one of my big disappointments with Dragon Age 2 was the focus on the Mage/Templars with so little focus on the City Elves and Dalish. The plight of the elves is just as important to me as the Plight of Mages. The Alienage in Kirkwall was kind of nice, which is strange, given the rest of Kirkwall was such a ****hole.

 

At least I got to kill a serial killer of elves and tell Aveline off about trying to hang the elven vigilantes.

"What? THIS is what you brought me here for? [censored] the guy they killed."

It's when I got the Arishok Approval Achievement.

It's worse then that they complained about it to the Guard and Aveline did jack ****.

 

Garrett wanted to freeze fry her and Marian wanted to stab her eyes out SO badly after that.

[LobselVith8]

Shemlen!

 

You can say it even in normal conversation!

 

Except, well, that one time Merril says it.

That time was really awful.

 

Shemlen is elven for human; you're thinking about the derogatory slang term 'shem'.

[Master Warder Z_]

To be fair to the elves, I think they were less than sincere about their conversion.

It was just a way of giving the finger to the guards who would hang them for justice by hiding behind the big people in town.

Then again, the Qunari did have a lot of elven converts.

 

Probably because they knew the Kirkwall nobility feared them.

 

To me it doesn't matter.

 

Sincerity i mean.

 

Qunari are Qunari and their kind are a plague.

[Willowhugger]

Shemlen is elven for human; you're thinking about the derogatory slang term 'shem'.

 

Shemlen means "Quick Children" so it's kind of insulting from the get go.

 

It's worse then that they complained about it to the Guard and Aveline did jack ****.

 

Garrett wanted to freeze fry her and Marian wanted to stab her eyes out SO badly after that.

I was like, "Seriously, Aveline? Aren't you better than this?"