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[Magdalena11]

Won't be an issue for me. I never give Morrigan her demon baby.

 

Just feed Loghain/Alistair to the Archdemon and call it a day. Some things aren't worth preserving, especially if the Stupid evil swamp witch thinks it is a good idea.

Right.  Morrigan wants to perform a ritual that will preserve the life of a warden, possibly at the cost of producing a non-corruptible Old God.  This may or may not sound like a good idea, but it's not precisely evil.

 

Feeding a companion to the Archdemon is.

 

It's not what you do, it's why you do it.

[House Lannister]

why do you say that? 

 

I actually like it because I have a hatred for half-elves and other half-races. So not seeing them is a good thing to me.

 

Poor Alistair.

[dantares83]

just a question, if you are in a romance with Alistair and he is not hardened, will he agree to the Dark Ritual no matter what?

 

it just seem out-of-character if he is not hardened. i mean he did said you were the only woman he has been with and the only want he wants to been with and then go around having sex with Morrigan just because you ask him to?

[Dark Helmet]

Feeding a companion to the Archdemon is.

 

 

 

Now now there's nothing evil in letting a man redeem himself via heroic sacrifice. Loghain gets to die a hero, Alistair is saddled with the shrew, Morrigan is denied her demon baby, and I get to go merrily off into the "Mysteriously disappeared". Everyone wins.

[Yinello]

I want to adopt the kid.

[Hydwn]

I think that's actually part of the reason why I like Alistair so much. My Warden put him on the throne and married him to a woman he barely knew against his will, and made him sire an old god child so they could live, but by the end he actually still considered her his friend, apparently. Despite the fact it could probably almost be called an abusive friendship at that point with the amount of sh** she made him do. :S

 

My Warden did care about his feelings, but...it certainly sounds a bit scumbag-ey in retrospect, doesn't it...

 

I joked with my boyfriend that there should be a "pimping Alistair" achievement if you can get him Morrigan, Isabela, and Anora

 

The character who romanced Morrigan in my five worldstates also did the US.  I didn't realized a human child was a possibility.  Two of the five worldstates have the Dark Ritual, and one was Alistair's Cousland queen - it's the only way for them to be together, so that probably makes it easier.

 

Since it's come up, I'm actually a gay player whose gay Warden did the dark ritual, mostly so Zevran wouldn't be alone.  But then Zevran just runs off in DA2 anyway  

[blahblahblah]

Now now there's nothing evil in letting a man redeem himself via heroic sacrifice. Loghain gets to die a hero, Alistair is saddled with the shrew, Morrigan is denied her demon baby, and I get to go merrily off into the "Mysteriously disappeared". Everyone wins.

The evil thing is you take all the credit and hailed a hero instead of them.

[Lumix19]

I got Alistair to do the Dark Ritual because 1.) I was uncomfortable with my Warden doing it and 2.) the amount of family drama surrounding Alistair is now hilarious.

[Drasanil]

The evil thing is you take all the credit and hailed a hero instead of them.

 

Not really, you did all the work, Loghain just took a bullet for you at the last second and gets to salvage his legacy. As opposed to being remembered as disgraced traitor who nearly destroyed his country. 

[Hydwn]

Biggest....Lore cop out...ever.

 

Not necessarily.  It actually kind of fits with all the other human/elf issues - how humans were supposed to have brought mortality and disease to elves, and how human culture tried to break Elven culture.  The Elves lose more and more and more of themselves in any interaction with humans, so it fits right in.

 

That's one of the fantasy tropes, I think - how "dominant" the elven genes are.  Elves could reproduce with humans since old Norse legends, and Tolkien was never clear on how how Elven Elrond Half-Elven looked, so every fantasy world has had to decide that.  

 

Dungeons and Dragons made half-elves like their own race, halfway between the two.  I play the MMO FFXI, and children of "Humes" and "Elvaan" are always elves.  In Dragon Age, the half-elves are just humans.  It seems like the more idealized the world, the more dominant the elf gene

[Ryzaki]

Now now there's nothing evil in letting a man redeem himself via heroic sacrifice. Loghain gets to die a hero, Alistair is saddled with the shrew, Morrigan is denied her demon baby, and I get to go merrily off into the "Mysteriously disappeared". Everyone wins.

 

Yep. Loghain offered not evil at all.

[blahblahblah]

Not really, you did all the work, Loghain just took a bullet for you at the last second and gets to salvage his legacy. As opposed to being remembered as disgraced traitor who nearly destroyed his country. 

If you believe Victory achieve through Sacrifice then okay.

[Magdalena11]

Now now there's nothing evil in letting a man redeem himself via heroic sacrifice. Loghain gets to die a hero, Alistair is saddled with the shrew, Morrigan is denied her demon baby, and I get to go merrily off into the "Mysteriously disappeared". Everyone wins.

The words you used initially were "feed Alistair/Loghain to the Archdemon" and "evil swamp witch."  You might have been trying to sound casual, but I believe they were no more than an accurate description of motivation.  Whether hardened or not, Alistair admits that he probably won't get to choose who he's married to even if he doesn't marry Anora.  Letting Loghain redeem himself sounds noble, but the act of becoming a grey warden and eventually dying fighting darkspawn regardless is redemption already.  The difference in both cases, oddly enough, is that one is a public performance and the other is quiet and distinctly non-heroic.  

 

There's nothing wrong with having a cowardly warden.  The DR itself is pretty cowardly.  I've had wardens sacrifice companions and I've had wardens do the ritual.  My point is that both are short cuts and neither is particularly virtuous.  Then again, who really cares at the end of the day?  The only person you really need to convince is yourself.  Go for it.

[FiveThreeTen]

Is it possible to refuse the Dark ritual, make Hardened Alistair king with Anora, and not bringing Loghain to Fort Drakon?

I never tried it.

[john-in-france]

Those performing the Dark Ritual have already had their payback...the warden is alive. Cake already eaten.

Those not performing it may have a different type of payback in DAI or the next game....cake to come.

[SgtSteel91]

But you can keep your Warden alive by having Alistair and Loghain kill the Archdemon.

 

The actual cake is that everyone lives; no one in the party had to die to stop the Archdemon. You will see all the content for the Warden, Alistair, and Loghain in a play-through of Dragon Age 2 and Inquisition.

[Dark Helmet]

 

 

Stupid evil swamp witch. That's an important difference.

 

Morrigan is quite literally the last person in the DAverse I would trust with raising a child, much less a OGB.

 

The other positives from the situation I described are just the icing on the already delicious cake.

[blahblahblah]

Stupid evil swamp witch. That's an important difference.

 

Morrigan is quite literally the last person in the DAverse I would trust with raising a child, much less a OGB.

 

The other positives from the situation I described are just the icing on the already delicious cake.

You hate eating cake are you?

[LadyLaLa]

Personally, since my canon Warden was Alistair's lover and he did the DR, I would love to see the consequences of that. If the OGB is what Flemeth had planned, and from what we've seen, she doesn't seem to do anything on a whim, it should be interesting to say the least to see the fruits of her Xanatos gambit, no?

[Todd23]

Yep. Loghain offered not evil at all.

But unsatisfying. Loghain serving the order he left for dead and framed in the very country he did all these atrocities to avoid, is a far more fitting punishment.

[Eveangaline]

It would be awesome for the Dark Ritual to pay off in Inquisition and have Uthemriel fighting on your side. *Uthemriel flies over a small army of Demons and burns them all alive* That's my boy! But I kind of hope that won't be the case.

 

Performing the Dark Ritual was a no brainer. "I get to have sex with Morrigan and slay the Arch Demon without dying? Yes! Why would I not do this?! Me and I'm sure the majority of other players all did the ritual. I would like to have some consequences for making the easy decision instead of being rewarded for it.

 

Isn't the payoff to the ritual that the warden is alive without having to sacrifice anyone?

 

As for the bolded, don't assume the majority likes something just because you like something.

[Todd23]

Isn't the payoff to the ritual that the warden is alive without having to sacrifice anyone?

As for the bolded, don't assume the majority likes something just because you like something.

It's true. No matter how much of a no-brainer something seems to be, don't underestimate how many irrational and odd people there are.

[AzukiJin]

 

 

It's not what you do, it's why you do it.

Loghain selling people into Tevinter Slaver is a still a bad thing, even if he only did so to fund his army. His decision to imprison/send away the greywarden(s) when they try to help(Which indirectly caused the DR to even be an option), his decision to blame the grey wardens for Cailen's death(Sure, it's true for his perspective he felt Cailen thought he was immortal thanks to the heroic grey wardens were next to him, so not a baseless accusation).
I know he only blamed the Grey Wardens cause he thought they were unnessiscary, as seen in the Landsmeet when he tries to argue that the GreyWardens are phonys. But shouldn't he have known at least that during the first blight, anyone who isn't a GreyWarden won't slay the dragon permenently. Isn't that in a Codex in the game, so shouldn't that been common knowledge. "GreyWarden is the only one who can truely kill a ArchDemon", Maybe he thought those statement were lies, don't remember 100% of what he did say/think.  

 

Your intend can justify your actions, still doesn't mean they are good actions. 

Loghain did what he thought he had to do to save Ferelden... Or not exactly.. He only wanted to save the humans of Ferelden and only certain humans... He didn't care about the dwarves and not the Dalish. The city elves he sold into Slavery. Loghain is a interesting character, cause he is one of the most realistic characters in such a situation, grasping after straws to do anything to save HIS people. There have been a few people in history, Our history whom have done the same thing... Sort of. 

However, back to the Dark Ritual. Wouldn't it be funny if the OGB were born as a Tranquil. 

[RenAdaar]

The only reason I would do the dark ritual is so I could carry my warden over into the expansions lol....and because I wanted leliana to be happy ;-;

[Arijharn]

The Dark Ritual was an easy "Everyone lives" button in DAO so I hope it leads to some negative consequence in DAI. Maybe Flemeth will kidnap him and use him for something.

 

Only if you don't romance Morrigan. If you do it becomes part of her character growth.