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[Larry-3]

The Quarians created the Geth to be servants, right? To help make life way better. If they got smarter how come they just could not be allowed to do more complicated task? If a Geth ask, "does this unit have a soul?" Why not just say, yes -- now get back to work? Why kill a good resource? If you created something, and it ask you if it possess a soul, why kill it? Did a Quarian just jump up and say, "it has a soul! Kill it! Kill it!" I guess what I am asking is, why start the Morning War?

[von uber]

You know the millions of military bots the geth showed in that flashback.. oh wait, they forgot that bit.

 

Here's a reminder:

 

[Larry-3]

You know the millions of military bots the geth showed in that flashback.. oh wait, they forgot that bit.

 

Here's a reminder:

 

 

 

Weren't those the heretic ones controlled by Sovereign? Would the Geth have joined him if they felt safe and secure in the Quarian society?

[Vazgen]

If you have a bunch of robots doing dangerous tasks it's cool. If you start treating them as sentient you will remove them from those tasks which contradicts the point of making them in the first place. If you keep them at those tasks they will eventually ask why do they do those tasks and quarians do not. They'll refuse to work and demand equal rights

[DeinonSlayer]

Why did we try to shut down Skynet when it showed signs of self-awareness? It was only in charge of our strategic nuclear arsenal. Really, the only reason people view Skynet as a villain and the Geth as victims is because the former targets humanity.

The fact that the Geth succeeded in exterminating over 99% of the Quarian species in a single year is evidence enough that they were capable of doing so. The Quarians recognized and feared what they were capable of doing, and they were right to. Their failure was simply in their assessment of Geth motives.

If that's not enough, there's also the fact that Council law at the time compelled them to do exactly what they tried to do: shut them down.

[ZipZap2000]

Equal rights?

 

Honey go get my shotgun.

[Larry-3]

If you have a bunch of robots doing dangerous tasks it's cool. If you start treating them as sentient you will remove them from those tasks which contradicts the point of making them in the first place. If you keep them at those tasks they will eventually ask why do they do those tasks and quarians do not. They'll refuse to work and demand equal rights

 

Could they not do them better? If one ask, "why do we do these task?" Tell them, because you have heavy armor and can lift heavy things. But yeah I suppose I can see about the equal rights things. It would be unfair.

[themikefest]

They're just machines and machines can be broken.

 

Save the Quarians, destroy the flashlights and pick destroy.

[Larry-3]

Why did we try to shut down Skynet when it showed signs of self-awareness? It was only in charge of our strategic nuclear arsenal.

The fact that the Geth succeeded in exterminating over 99% of the Quarian species in a single year is evidence enough that they were capable of doing so. The Quarians recognized and feared what they were capable of doing, and they were right to. Their failure was simply in their assessment of Geth motives.

If that's not enough, there's also the fact that Council law at the time compelled them to do exactly what they tried to do: shut them down.

 

Yeah but Skynet started out with military robots; the Geth started out as simple servants I believe.

[Vazgen]

I find another question interesting - why were there so many military geth platforms? I don't think they were all built during that year. Quarians were not just making servants. They were making an army

[Larry-3]

They're just machines and machines can be broken.

 

Save the Quarians, destroy the flashlights and pick destroy.

 

I read that in Shepard's voice. The first part reminded me of the Virmire mission.

[DeinonSlayer]

Yeah but Skynet started out with military robots; the Geth started out as simple servants I believe.

Nope. The Geth, according to their codex entry in all three games, "were built as tools of labor and war." They had military models from the start. The Geth chose to show you an agricultural unit picking up a sniper rifle in their little powerpoint presentation because it's more sympathetic to show a "civilian" Geth arming himself to defend the innocent and the weak than it is to show you what happened to the poor bastard who was sitting in his barracks with an issue of Fornax and got called down to the motor pool to start unplugging Armatures.



"Come again, sir?"
"What are you waiting for, soldier? Go on, it's just a precautionary measure. I'll be right over here... behind these crates..."
"Um, okay... good robot... nice robot... oh, keelah, it's looking at me..."

[Larry-3]

I find another question interesting - why were there so many military geth platforms? I don't think they were all built during that year. Quarians were not just making servants. They were making an army

 

Well on Earth we use drones in wars, it is possible the Quarians were useing them in a similar way. This reminds me of Irobot, now.

[Larry-3]

Nope. The Geth, according to their codex entry in all three games, "were built as tools of labor and war." They chose to show you an agricultural unit picking up a sniper rifle in their little powerpoint presentation because it's more sympathetic to show a "civilian" Geth arming himself to defend the innocent and the weak than it is to show you what happened to the poor bastard who was sitting in his barracks with an issue of Fornax and got called down to the motor pool to start unplugging Armatures.



"Come again, sir?"
"What are you waiting for, soldier? Go on, it's just a precautionary measure. I'll be right over here... behind these crates..."
"Um, okay... good robot... nice robot... oh, keelah, it's looking at me..."

 

I might not activate Legion on my current or next play-through, now.

[themikefest]

I might not activate Legion on my current or next play-through, now.

Most of the time I give it to Cerberus and it shows up on Chronos.

[Vazgen]

Well on Earth we use drones in wars, it is possible the Quarians were useing them in a similar way. This reminds me of Irobot, now.

Haha, indeed it is something like that I just never heard of quarians being in a major conflict with another species. A conflict that would require such a huge army that could wipe their whole race in a year. 

[Larry-3]

Most of the time I give it to Cerberus and it shows up on Chronos.

 

I might activate him, complete his "destroy the heretics mission" then let the Collector's take... by "accident" of course.

[DeinonSlayer]

Haha, indeed it is something like that I just never heard of quarians being in a major conflict with another species. A conflict that would require such a huge army that could wipe their whole race in a year.

Nothing says it was simply a huge army that did them in, although the codex entry on Geth culture from ME2 does speak of the Geth expending thousands of platforms to overrun Quarian positions.

"We maintain mobile platforms to clear rubble and toxins from the Morning War."

Toxins.

Organics are vulnerable to chemical weaponry. Synthetics are not. Hit a city with aerosol rockets, send in armed platforms to sweep for survivors, rinse and repeat. You'd need some kind of sealed environment suit to survive it. Hey, I wonder...

It isn't stated anywhere in as many words that the Geth won by lobbing gas shells at everything in sight, but according to Legion, they're still cleaning up after whatever was done centuries after the fact. It'd go a long way to explain how so many people died in so little time.

[von uber]

Raises an interesting question, how do we know we destroyed the correct geth on Legion's loyalty mission? After all the next time we see it it's inside a reaper.. before being 'rescued' and then handily getting the reaper code anyway..

[Vazgen]

Nothing says it was simply a huge army that did them in, although the codex entry on Geth culture from ME2 does speak of the Geth expending thousands of platforms to overrun Quarian positions.

"We maintain mobile platforms to clear rubble and toxins from the Morning War."

Toxins.

Organics are vulnerable to chemical weaponry. Synthetics are not. It isn't stated anywhere in as many words that the Geth won by lobbing gas shells at everything in sight, but according to Legion, they're still cleaning up after whatever was done centuries after the fact. It'd go a long way to explain how so many people died in so little time.

Hmm, you're right. It will also explain how the geth fleet is roughly on par with the quarian fleet, even after all those years.

[Larry-3]

Haha, indeed it is something like that I just never heard of quarians being in a major conflict with another species. A conflict that would require such a huge army that could wipe their whole race in a year. 

 

Well Javik did state that the Quarian's were around in his cycle. It is not crazy to think that they were in a conflict or two in over 50,000 years. I just thought of something, maybe someone found out about the Reapers and were going to use the Geth to fight them, but their plain was foiled.

[Vazgen]

Raises an interesting question, how do we know we destroyed the correct geth on Legion's loyalty mission? After all the next time we see it it's inside a reaper.. before being 'rescued' and then handily getting the reaper code anyway..

I think Legion's actions, starting from ME2 are focused on changing Shepard's perspective on the geth. Like a propaganda. The internal conflict in their society, N7 armor, the consensus mission with carefully picked memories... But I don't think he is with the Reapers. It is possible, however, that the geth will become something like Reapers in the future...

[DeinonSlayer]

I think Legion's actions, starting from ME2 are focused on changing Shepard's perspective on the geth. Like a propaganda. The internal conflict in their society, N7 armor, the consensus mission with carefully picked memories... But I don't think he is with the Reapers. It is possible, however, that the geth will become something like Reapers in the future...

"The minds of both forms of life can be shaped. Organics require time and effort. For synthetics, the replacement of a data file is the only requirement."
~ Legion, A House Divided

[von uber]

My point is that you only have Legion's word that there are actually any heretics at all.
For all we know shep blew up a load of redundant hardware.

[Vazgen]

My point is that you only have Legion's word that there are actually any heretics at all.
For all we know shep blew up a load of redundant hardware.

In ME3 we get different EMS numbers for geth forces if we destroy or reprogram them. Quarian EMS also changes based on that choice. So you do blow up some geth, a quite noticeable amount at that. However, we have no idea if there really is an internal conflict and whether your decision to rewrite the geth really does anything other than a fancy light show.