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[ZipZap2000]

Reading the Geth EMS you find that the Quarians took significantly less losses than were expected because you blew up the heretics.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

You know the millions of military bots the geth showed in that flashback.. oh wait, they forgot that bit.

 

Here's a reminder:

 

 

You got out and fought? Damn! I just drove by.

[DeinonSlayer]

That's why you modify the INI file to give the same XP for a Mako kill that you get on foot.

[Vazgen]

That's why you modify the INI file to give the same XP for a Mako kill that you get on foot.

Teach me, sensei!

[DeinonSlayer]

Teach me, sensei!

*GONG*

[Vazgen]

*GONG*

Awesomeness! Thanks a bunch! Finally, level 60 import without multiple playthroughs!

[DeinonSlayer]

Awesomeness! Thanks a bunch! Finally, level 60 import without multiple playthroughs!

Oh, you can do all kinds of amusing things by playing with those files...

[Display Name Owner]

Why did we try to shut down Skynet when it showed signs of self-awareness? It was only in charge of our strategic nuclear arsenal. Really, the only reason people view Skynet as a villain and the Geth as victims is because the former targets humanity.

The fact that the Geth succeeded in exterminating over 99% of the Quarian species in a single year is evidence enough that they were capable of doing so. The Quarians recognized and feared what they were capable of doing, and they were right to. Their failure was simply in their assessment of Geth motives.

If that's not enough, there's also the fact that Council law at the time compelled them to do exactly what they tried to do: shut them down.

 

Really the Quarians must have been either really stupid or really lazy to build that many Geth platforms in the first place. Their unemployment rates must have been sky high as well...

[Gladerunner]

The Quarians acted out of fear, and i daresay ignorance. Their society revolved around controlling and manipulating synthetics, and of course their first response wasn't to understand what they had created.

 

Instead of communicating with the Geth to understand their motives, they sought to destroy them. Of course, this is hindsight, and the Quarian response was needed to set up the game's antagonists as flashlight stormtroopers, who you could kill with little remorse.

 

The first game made you rather unsympathetic to Geth, because they were the villain. The second game made you question this, and the third meant as a Paragon, you had to acknowledge them as equals.

 

 

Really the Quarians must have been either really stupid or really lazy to build that many Geth platforms in the first place. Their unemployment rates must have been sky high as well...

 

Not really. For every job a Geth program replaces, a new job - repairing said Geth - appears.

[justafan]

Haha, indeed it is something like that I just never heard of quarians being in a major conflict with another species. A conflict that would require such a huge army that could wipe their whole race in a year. 

 

The Perseus Veil is right there next to the Terminus systems, the very same hive of pirates, warlords and slavers that the ME1 Council went to great pains not to provoke, and half a galaxy away from "Council Space".  It makes sense that the Quarians, a Council associate race at the time, would need a rather large force to protect vulnerable colonies when the Turian fleet that is supposed to protect council races is tied up at the other side of the galaxy, and the politicians reluctant to deploy anything in the general vicinity.  Add in the fact that conventional soldiers would get sick on every deployment to the colonies (this was before envirosuits became the norm), and it makes a lot of sense that the Quarians would heavily invest in a large force of disposable synthetic soldiers.

[DeinonSlayer]

The Perseus Veil is right there next to the Terminus systems, the very same hive of pirates, warlords and slavers that the ME1 Council went to great pains not to provoke, and half a galaxy away from "Council Space".  It makes sense that the Quarians, a Council associate race at the time, would need a rather large force to protect vulnerable colonies when the Turian fleet that is supposed to protect council races is tied up at the other side of the galaxy, and the politicians reluctant to deploy anything in the general vicinity.  Add in the fact that conventional soldiers would get sick on every deployment to the colonies (this was before envirosuits became the norm), and it makes a lot of sense that the Quarians would heavily invest in a large force of disposable synthetic soldiers.

Honestly, in a post-Reaper, post-Destroy galaxy, I'd think the Quarians would still be prone to being bullied. Assuming the relays are restored (and given their tech savvy, they'd likely be some of the first to come back online), they could unwillingly finding themselves to be the Hierarchy's latest client race by virtue of being a minority on their own planet; outnumbered by Turians seeking an unscarred world to move to. Were it not for the destruction of the Batarian Hegemony, with such a small population, I wouldn't be surprised if they were periodically targeted by slavers on their own homeworld. The Terminus riff-raff is still out there, so it may still happen. Leads me back to the theory that when Haestrom's sun cooks off, it'll do to their primary relay in the Dholen system what that ancient supernova did to the Mu Relay, isolating them from the wider galaxy for centuries to come. In the face of those prospects, they could very well welcome that isolation.

[justafan]

Honestly, in a post-Reaper, post-Destroy galaxy, I'd think the Quarians would still be prone to being bullied. Assuming the relays are restored (and given their tech savvy, they'd likely be some of the first to come back online), they could unwillingly finding themselves to be the Hierarchy's latest client race by virtue of being a minority on their own planet; outnumbered by Turians seeking an unscarred world to move to. Were it not for the destruction of the Batarian Hegemony, with such a small population, I wouldn't be surprised if they were periodically targeted by slavers on their own homeworld. The Terminus riff-raff is still out there, so it may still happen. Leads me back to the theory that when Haestrom's sun cooks off, it'll do to their primary relay in the Dholen system what that ancient supernova did to the Mu Relay, isolating them from the wider galaxy for centuries to come. In the face of those prospects, they could very well welcome that isolation.

 

It all comes down to speculation, but if the Migrant Fleet truly left the majority of the civilian fleet on Rannoch, the Quarians still have a formidable navy to contend with given that they were all armed.  That wouldn't keep out the Turians, but would certainly deter pirates and the usual Terminus scum, and depending on how long it takes a relay network to be established, it could be generations before the Turians are even able to make contact with Rannoch, possibly giving enough time for the population to reach the hundreds of millions.

 

Never heard of the Haestrom theory though.  I always just assumed it was some mad science experiment in order to artificially created an Eezo source or a nasty and rare side effect of eezo exposure on stars.

[PunMaster]

Wasn't it stated at some point in ME3 that the Geth were only interested in preservation of their species? I seem to recall a codex entry or conversation saying that the Geth did not pursue the Quarrians fleeing Rannoch. Plus from what I can tell from the ME lore, the Geth never started another war against the Quarrians. Even the war in ME3 was started by the Quarrians.

[Fixers0]

Machines don't have souls, period.

[Farangbaa]

Nobody has a soul.

[SporkFu]

The Quarians created the Geth to be servants, right? To help make life way better. If they got smarter how come they just could not be allowed to do more complicated task? If a Geth ask, "does this unit have a soul?" Why not just say, yes -- now get back to work? Why kill a good resource? If you created something, and it ask you if it possess a soul, why kill it? Did a Quarian just jump up and say, "it has a soul! Kill it! Kill it!" I guess what I am asking is, why start the Morning War?

When the geth asked whether it had a soul, it was beginning to question its existence. I think the quarians were afraid that the more it learned from doing this, the sooner it would begin to question its servitude. This was evidenced when shep was inside the geth consensus and saw that playback where the geth was questioning what it did to deserve being shut down. It didn't want to be, and finally the quarians muted it.  

[Kabooooom]

Nobody has a soul.

Exactly. These four words in a nutshell completely rip apart Fixers' statement. One could further ask to define a "soul" to further elucidate how utterly ridiculous the concept is to both organic life AND hypothetical synthetic life.

It's particularly amusing to me, because out of all the absurdity that is derived from superstitious belief - the existence of a "soul" pretty much takes the cake. It reeks of vitalism, which is a concept that was basically disproven since 1828.

The fact that we, as a species, still cling to concepts like a "soul" speaks volumes about the insecurity through which most of us view our own, brief, existence.

[von uber]

Nobody has a soul.

Quite. Didn't know the geth followed a bronze age mythology from a planet they'd never heard of.

[Vazgen]

Quite. Didn't know the geth followed a bronze age mythology from a planet they'd never heard of.

One word - extranet

[von uber]

Nice idea, but you are forgetting the morning war happened in the 1880's before anyone knew humanity existed.

[Sir DeLoria]

Haha, indeed it is something like that I just never heard of quarians being in a major conflict with another species. A conflict that would require such a huge army that could wipe their whole race in a year.

A few points on that:

- the Quarian population was less than a third of Earth's population now (which is still a lot)
- Rannoch only has few habitable places, so population is very dense
- colonies were used almost exclusively for mining purposes
- Geth numeral superiority
- WMDs (as Deinon mentioned)

[Vazgen]

Nice idea, but you are forgetting the morning war happened in the 1880's before anyone knew humanity existed.

 

Yes, but no one asked about soul back then. Tali in ME1 lists the following questions - Am I alive? Why am I here? What is my purpose? 

There is nothing about soul in geth consensus mission in ME3 either.

The only mention of that concept comes from Legion, long after humanity claimed their place in galactic society

 

A few points on that:

- the Quarian population was less than a third of Earth's population now (which is still a lot)
- Rannoch only has few habitable places, so population is very dense
- colonies were used almost exclusively for mining purposes
- Geth numeral superiority
- WMDs (as Deinon mentioned)

 

I think WMD's were the defining factor here. In consensus mission there is mention of martial law and hostilities between the geth and the quarians  but it was not yet a full scale war. They were gunned down without warning and a lot of them died that way. Something tipped the balance in their favor

[fhs33721]

Why did we try to shut down Skynet when it showed signs of self-awareness? It was only in charge of our strategic nuclear arsenal. Really, the only reason people view Skynet as a villain and the Geth as victims is because the former targets humanity.

Or maybe Skynet is viewed as villain, because of the slave/later on concentration camps it created, Killing said slaves after they were no longer needed, spreading out as a virus, wanting to actively hunt down and kill every single human (as opposed to the geth sitting in their conquered area and only shooting everything that comes close. Which isn't nice either but not on Skynet level)  and general d*ckish behaviour.

 

That being said even in the Terminator franchise AIs aren't presented as villains all the time.

[DeinonSlayer]

Or maybe Skynet is viewed as villain, because of the slave/later on concentration camps it created, Killing said slaves after they were no longer needed, spreading out as a virus, wanting to actively hunt down and kill every single human (as opposed to the geth sitting in their conquered area and only shooting everything that comes close. Which isn't nice either but not on Skynet level) and general d*ckish behaviour.

That being said even in the Terminator franchise AIs aren't presented as villains all the time.

Only the Geth did hunt down and kill every Quarian in the Perseus Veil. Less than 1% of the Quarian species "escaped the genocide," as Drew Karpyshyn put it. The difference here is that the Quarians (some of them at least) had a means to get off-planet and retreat, while in the Terminator series we're stuck on one planet with no means of escape. The Geth, in the course of their war, were every bit as bad as Skynet, it's simply been longer since their war took place.