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[Icefalcon]

By that logic you should be able to make your elf look like a qunari.

Hardly. I'll assume that was a comment made with sarcasm, as it doesn't come across very well written. People like to like their PC, if they do not like Elves at all then they will pick a different race. However if they merely dislike having a tattoo that should not be  an exclusion. It's an option in DA:O and it should be an option again.

 

Icefalcon - why not both?

Since the vallaslin are such a big thing in the Dalish culture it is sort of mandatory that your dalish has them.
It's a sign, not only of you coming of age but that you are ready to take on the responsibilities of an adult life. 
A Dalish without a tattoo is basically legally incompetent. 

And isn't that one of the big points of roleplaying? Pretending to be someone else for a while.

Me for example would never get a facial tattoo. And since I have health issues you'll never see me camp in a forest.

But as a dalish elf I can pretend a little and then I want the full experience.

 

And I would want the tattoo to match my dalish characters personality. Perhaps a cold tactician who never compromices shouldn't have a tatto that symbolizes the Halla Mother?

 

I do have to say that I wish some of the tattoos weren't as big and obvious as they were in DA:O More delicate linework and and patterns would be great.
The only ones I liked in DA:O was the "Ghilan'nain" and the "June" (from the link used earlier in the thread: http://sugarkanegame...down-and-worked) - and only the smaller versions, not the full face ones.

 

But I'd rather have a character with a tatto that means something that I have chosen because it matches her/his personality than just one that is pretty. 
Because I know the Dalish doesn't get tattoos to look pretty.

That's sort of my point, you should be able to visualise  your own type of character, if you want a tattoo and you want to put the effort in to weave it into a background as you have, brilliant. For those who don't why make them. It seems  an odd thing to be arbitrary about when it wasn't previously. Personally speaking I'm for as many options as possible and let people pick what they want. My Inquisitor is not yours and is not the next gamers and that to me is a superb thing.

 

You make a very well thought out and reasoned argument by the way Melcolloien. Whichever Inquisitor you chose may they bring you much enjoyment.

[Mirrman70]

Hardly. I'll assume that was a comment made with sarcasm, as it doesn't come across very well written. People like to like their PC, if they do not like Elves at all then they will pick a different race. However if they merely dislike having a tattoo that should not be  an exclusion. It's an option in DA:O and it should be an option again.

 

I believe it's been addressed before that the Dalish Warden might not have gotten their tattoos because they hadn't completely transitioned into adulthood. Whether or not they are adults in Dalish culture is not why Duncan wanted them, it was because they were able to fight darkspawn and win. The Dalish Inquisitor is being trusted with the task of spying on a major event, which is not the type of thing you would entrust to someone you view as a child. Not having tattoos as an adult Dalish makes as much since as a dwarf mage, as in it doesn't fit into lore.

[phantomrachie]

Hardly. I'll assume that was a comment made with sarcasm, as it doesn't come across very well written. People like to like their PC, if they do not like Elves at all then they will pick a different race. However if they merely dislike having a tattoo that should not be  an exclusion. It's an option in DA:O and it should be an option again.

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Lorewise it makes no sense for the Inquisitor not to have a facial tattoo. Vallaslin are given at a right of passage, once they are gotten it is a signal to the rest of the clan that this person is ready for the responsibility of being an adult.

 

Why would the Keeper, send a person the rest of the clan would view as a child to spy on the Chantry and Mage negotiations?

 

The Dalish Warden, on the other hand, is tainted by chance, this could happen before or after the Vallaslin are applied and there would be no difference to the plot.

[Grayvisions]

I just find most of the Valashin annoying and uncomplimentary to the character wearing them typically

 

Exactly why I won't be making any elves. All of the tattoos I've seen thus far are exceedingly obtrusive, either that or they make the character look like they work weekends at Hot Topic.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They handled the Elven option in this game very poorly in my opinion. 

 

You want to roleplay an Elf? Well, you have to be a Dalish Elf. That eliminates City, Tevinter, and Qun Elf roleplaying options. 

You want to roleplay as your character? Well, you have to have Vallaslin. That eliminates any but loyal Dalish Elf as a personality. 

[Ryzaki]

They handled the Elven option in this game very poorly in my opinion. 

 

You want to roleplay an Elf? Well, you have to be a Dalish Elf. That eliminates City, Tevinter, and Qun Elf roleplaying options. 

You want to roleplay as your character? Well, you have to have Vallaslin. That eliminates any but loyal Dalish Elf as a personality. 

 

I guess they really wanted to tell a dalish elf's story in this game. Bums me out but what can you do *shrug*

[jlb524]

I do wish the elven mage Inquisitor could be a Circle mage (like Origins) but oh well.

 

I'd rather the DA:O elven mage was Dalish actually.

[Dabrikishaw]

This just makes me wonder whether or not Bioware has even given them meanings, 

I'm almost entirely sure they didn't.

[dekarserverbot]

I guess it isn't really that important. They're just Dalish cultural designs. They can represent whatever the player wants them to. They probably don't all represent gods. Even if the guesses from the DAO ones are correct, then there were new ones in DA 2.

those last ones don't count, they could not even exist, maybe Varric described them vaguely and we could not grasp how they were.

[phantomrachie]

They handled the Elven option in this game very poorly in my opinion. 

 

You want to roleplay an Elf? Well, you have to be a Dalish Elf. That eliminates City, Tevinter, and Qun Elf roleplaying options. 

You want to roleplay as your character? Well, you have to have Vallaslin. That eliminates any but loyal Dalish Elf as a personality. 

 

Since there is no choice of background for any race, the same could be said for any of the Inquisitors.

 

Personally I prefer a choice of races and for the background to have more of an impact then to have a choice of backgrounds. 

 

Plus, you're a Dalish the Keeper trusted enough to send as a spy, Vallaslin or not you're going to be loyal. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Since there is no choice of background for any race, the same could be said for any of the Inquisitors.

 

Personally I prefer a choice of races and for the background to have more of an impact then to have a choice of backgrounds. 

 

Plus, you're a Dalish the Keeper trusted enough to send as a spy, Vallaslin or not you're going to be loyal. 

Incorrect.

 

Humans have different backstories(Noble or Circle Mage) and even in their description it says the human can have a variety of outlooks on their lot in life. Dwarves and Qunari are a little more strict but their backgrounds can support various personalities. And yet the Elf only really makes sense as a Dalish Yes Man/Woman.  

[Natashina]

I was a little surprised but not terribly shocked by this.  I can understand where Kallen is coming from (you change names a lot hun,) but I do agree that there is some good story reasons behind the Vallaslin.    I figure when I play an elf down the road, I'll either do some lore digging to see if any of the blood writing available for the PC matches known elven gods, or I'll just set them to my skin tone and fade them out as much as the game will allow me.

[phantomrachie]

Incorrect.

 

Humans have different backstories(Noble or Circle Mage) and even in their description it says the human can have a variety of outlooks on their lot in life. Dwarves and Qunari are a little more strict but their backgrounds can support various personalities. And yet the Elf only really makes sense as a Dalish Yes Man/Woman.  

 

You have a point about the Humans, but they are still from the same family it's just that due to Chantry a Mage had to grow up in the Circle. They'd have to do a lot of background work to explain why a Noble family didn't send their child off to the Circle.

 

The Dwarf is a surface Dwarf so there is no ability to play as a Noble or a castless Dwarf which would give a different experience. The Qunari is not of the Qun, which a lot of people wanted.

 

BioWare choose to make the Elven Inquisitor a Dalish Elf, they could've made another choice, just like with the others, but they choose Dalish. It would make no sense for a Dalish Mage to be a Circle Mage since the Dalish take pride in their Mages and wouldn't send them off to the Circle.

 

Lorewise it would make very little sense for a Dalish Inquisitor not to have Vallaslin, since you get tattoo when you are a teenager, potentially at the same time as your friends, even if for some reason at that age you were against your clan, you'd probably still get the tattoo because it's tradition and the rest of your friends were doing it. 

 

It's kinda like Holy Communion, most kids that take it don't care about the religious aspect, they go through it because they get money and because their friends and family are doing it.

[Puppy Love]

Personally I find things like the Valashin a bit unrealistic at times.  If the Dalish have spies (which apparently they do) they'd have members of their tribe who specifically do not have Valashin and are just as respected as a person having it, as they do not don one due to fulfilling a specific service to the tribe.  It makes no sense to have spies, yet be a people that make certain every one of them is instantly recognized.  Shoot even the Qunari have better spies than that, since they have people of the Qun that can fit in anywhere.  This is really just cultural ridiculousness.

[Eveangaline]

I'm assuming dalish spying isn't that common a thing so they don't bother planning years in advance for who can be one. And their version of spying might be more "sneaking around the area and over-hearing" rather than "hide in plain sight dressed as a servant"

[Puppy Love]

I'm assuming dalish spying isn't that common a thing so they don't bother planning years in advance for who can be one. And their version of spying might be more "sneaking around the area and over-hearing" rather than "hide in plain sight dressed as a servant"

Is a pretty shitty method of spying, if that's their method, they really do have the worst spy ring in Thedas.

[Puppy Love]

I'm assuming dalish spying isn't that common a thing so they don't bother planning years in advance for who can be one. And their version of spying might be more "sneaking around the area and over-hearing" rather than "hide in plain sight dressed as a servant"

Is a pretty shitty method of spying, if that's their method, they really do have the worst spy ring in Thedas.

[phantomrachie]

Personally I find things like the Valashin a bit unrealistic at times.  If the Dalish have spies (which apparently they do) they'd have members of their tribe who specifically do not have Valashin and are just as respected as a person having it, as they do not don one due to fulfilling a specific service to the tribe.  It makes no sense to have spies, yet be a people that make certain every one of them is instantly recognized.  Shoot even the Qunari have better spies than that, since they have people of the Qun that can fit in anywhere.  This is really just cultural ridiculousness.

 

considering its a right of passage, the Keeper would have to pick out someone who might be able to spy at a very young age. It also doesn't seem like this is something the Dalish generally do. Most Dalish seem to steer clear of humans rather than spy on them.

 

There are also a number of different ways to spy on a group, not just hiding in plain sight as a servant, the Inquisitor could've been expected to stay hidden or they could've been sent with another 'official reason' as a cover.

[Mirrman70]

Personally I find things like the Valashin a bit unrealistic at times.  If the Dalish have spies (which apparently they do) they'd have members of their tribe who specifically do not have Valashin and are just as respected as a person having it, as they do not don one due to fulfilling a specific service to the tribe.  It makes no sense to have spies, yet be a people that make certain every one of them is instantly recognized.  Shoot even the Qunari have better spies than that, since they have people of the Qun that can fit in anywhere.  This is really just cultural ridiculousness.

 

how many people know enough about the dalish to be able to notice they have different style of tattoos from city elves? also spying does not seem to be a common occurrence or they wouldn't be potentially sending their first. Also the Dalish are not a unified culture that is on the verge of a continent wide war. The Qunari have to have spies, the Dalish would rather just isolate themselves as much as possible.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Wait, WHAT?! The elf inquisitor HAS to have a tattoo?! I'll let Udina handle this one. THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

[Ryzaki]

Yeah it's a ugly face tat too.

 

I wouldn't mind so much if it was on the body or something. But the face? ugh.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Yeah it's a ugly face tat too.

I wouldn't mind so much if it was on the body or something. But the face? ugh.

I agree. I don't like tattoos in general, but the face is one of the absolute worst places for a tattoo.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Incorrect.

 

Humans have different backstories(Noble or Circle Mage) and even in their description it says the human can have a variety of outlooks on their lot in life. Dwarves and Qunari are a little more strict but their backgrounds can support various personalities. And yet the Elf only really makes sense as a Dalish Yes Man/Woman.  

 

The other races backgrounds aren't that different. You're a Noble or a Mage Noble. It's about the same difference between Warrior Hawke and Mage Hawke. You're always from the same family. Qunari Inquisitors are always Tal'Vashoth mercenaries from the same company. Dwarves are always criminals. Having a different opinion about the the Trevelyan family's connection to the Chantry is not the same as the choice of getting to be a non-Dalish elf. It'd be the equivalent of being a random commoner or an Avvar barbarian as other options. 

[Ryzaki]

I agree. I don't like tattoos in general, but the face is one of the absolute worst places for a tattoo.

 

It really is =/

 

Ah well. Dalish were never very fashionable.

[Beerfish]

Bah, I made that joke on the previous page

Should have known not to post before scanning whole thread, it was like a softball being pitched.