People, the explanations are there.
Here if you're too lazy to look on the front page. Those explanations all makes sense thematically and mythically, with the possible exception of Falon'din.
They didn't add new ones in DA2 (Velanna and Merrill are the only unique tattoos so far) so presumably they'll remain the same in DAI. Mages will be firsts, so if you want to be lore faithful you probably want to have the Dirthamen one. I'll get Falon'din though, since I reckon it looks the best.
i won't be playing an elf.....but if it did it would be mythal
I feel the dalish are there as it is a wholly different perspective and we will be dealing with several things from ancient Dalish history. Sera is a city elf, Solas is a hermit Elf, and we are Dalish. If your character was so questioning of the Dalish that they would forgo the tattoos due to deep cultural dislike of the Dalish, then they would stop being dalish and leave, since several others have done before them. Or at the very least been considered too young and still a child to go spying.
Elves can be templars (it'd be interesting playing from a CE's templar's perspective and if there's a worry about Lyrium usage simply have them be a fresh recruit that were soon to take their vows) or mages, (similar story to the Human mage except from a poor background). They can be merchants, and so on.
City elves aren't just servants or bust.
So I'm not sure how a dalish spy can make sense but those other scenarios are somehow beyond the pale. The devs simply did it because they didn't want to not because it's impossible for it to make sense. Also you really think an Orlesian wouldn't bring servants (elves or not?) LOL is all I have to say to that. Also if city elves wouldn't be allowed into the meeting why in the hell would a dalish spy be? Unless he/she is in the woods spying with binoculars (which I doubt). They can't exactly spy if they can't blend in. And there has to be elves for them to blend in with.
Elves can be Templars, Really?
About the spying thing, come on, whats wrong with a Dalish doing espionage work? It could be pulled off with the Dalish doing it by hiding in the "shadows" and being an outright trespasser, as blending in with the crowd isn't the only type of spy work.
Elves can be Templars, Really?
About the spying thing, come on, whats wrong with a Dalish doing espionage work? It could be pulled off with the Dalish doing it by hiding in the "shadows" and being an outright trespasser, as blending in with the crowd isn't the only type of spy work.
Yep.
"Non-human recruits such as elves are not barred from joining the templars, but are not common in their ranks" http://dragonage.wik...i/Templar_Order
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Hiding in the shadows in a peace conference? The dalish elf isn't freaking Ezio. (and hell even Ezio uses hide in plain sight a lot of the time). Nor do they always have magic to cloak themselves in shadows. It makes far more sense for them to blend into the crowd. And the only way that makes any sense is for elves to be in the crowd. (which is likely considering there's elven templars and mages along with any servants and such). The dalish elf doesn't have modern binoculars and hearing aids to be able to eavesdrop on a conversation from a distance and I doubt the whole listen outside the door thing is really going to be effective in freaking Haven near the urn of sacred ashes.
This peace conference isn't some cloak and dagger meeting. It's a massive event with a whole lot of people.
Elves can be templars (it'd be interesting playing from a CE's templar's perspective and if there's a worry about Lyrium usage simply have them be a fresh recruit that were soon to take their vows) or mages, (similar story to the Human mage except from a poor background). They can be merchants, and so on.
City elves aren't just servants or bust.
So I'm not sure how a dalish spy can make sense but those other scenarios are somehow beyond the pale. The devs simply did it because they didn't want to not because it's impossible for it to make sense. Also you really think an Orlesian wouldn't bring servants (elves or not?) LOL is all I have to say to that. Also if city elves wouldn't be allowed into the meeting why in the hell would a dalish spy be? Unless he/she is in the woods spying with binoculars (which I doubt). They can't exactly spy if they can't blend in. And there has to be elves for them to blend in with.
In Orlais they are seen lesser beings, in Ferelden they are seen as lesser beings - an elven merchant would not be invited to something like this. The only city elf that would come near a meeting like this would be a servant.
But no I don't think they are bringing servants to this, it doesn't seem like that kind of meeting. At least they will not be brought into the meeting itself, making it totally useless for an elven bard to be there since they cannot blend in.
And yes, elves can be mages but that would mean an entirely different "origin" since the human one is a noble meaning more dialouge and more work for bioware when they already have three different types of mages; human circle mage, dalish First and a qunari mercenary.
And the Dalish are respected unlike city elves so why would there not be some dalish representatives invited?
And again, a Dalish without vallaslin is seen as a minor basically. I see no fault in Bioware making us have one - as long as they look somewhat good ^^
In Orlais they are seen lesser beings, in Ferelden they are seen as lesser beings - an elven merchant would not be invited to something like this. The only city elf that would come near a meeting like this would be a servant.
But no I don't think they are bringing servants to this, it doesn't seem like that kind of meeting. At least they will not be brought into the meeting itself, making it totally useless for an elven bard to be there since they cannot blend in.
And yes, elves can be mages but that would mean an entirely different "origin" since the human one is a noble meaning more dialouge and more work for bioware when they already have three different types of mages; human circle mage, dalish First and a qunari mercenary.
And the Dalish are respected unlike city elves so why would there not be some dalish representatives invited?
And again, a Dalish without vallaslin is seen as a minor basically. I see no fault in Bioware making us have one - as long as they look somewhat good ^^
I highly doubt an Orlesian coming from Orlais to freaking Fereldan isn't going to have servants to bring their crap with them. Also in Orlais it's quite likely a servant would also be a bard.
Also templars can be elves. And yes so can mages.
??? How on earth wouldn't an elven bard blend in? All they have to say is they're a servant or with X. There are elves at this venue. Whether as templars or mages or servants. Probably dwarves too.
No it really wouldn't. One of the human ones is a noble. The other was born a noble but was raised in the circle all his/her life. You could get away with just modifying a bit of dialogue for the second to use for the elven mage much like what happened with the human mage and the elven mage in DAO. As for the elven templar yes that'd be more dialogue. (But apparently it's cinematics that are more resource intensive than dialogue if BW's speakings about the romances are anything to go by.) (also I highly doubt it was cause the dialogue. There were enough resources for additional romances but not enough for another origin? Really?)
Cause they're spying? Wouldn't need a spy to find out information that's not private if you were invited.
It's a face tat. I don't see any of those looking good. Best you get is less ugly.
Like it's great you got the dalish and you like them. But can we not act like city elves were some impossibility for this plot that dalish somehow magically perfectly fit? The game was originally going to be human only for pete's sake.
This is a thread focused on how Bioware refuses to address which vallaslin correlate to which Creator in the elven pantheon, not for you to vent that you don't like the Dalish and don't like the vallaslin. It's completely off-topic for this thread. We should give Faerunner some respect by focusing on the topic and not derailing it. If you want to vent about your feelings on the Dalish and the vallaslin, feel free to create your own thread where it's the main topic of conversation.
When did I say I don't like the Dalish? I just don't like to RP only as a loyal member of the Dalish since they have some things I don't like about them. Please don't put words in my mouth. And I only kept it up because I consider it rude to not respond to posts directed at me. My apologies to Faerunner.
Awww we have to do the face tattoos for elves? Well there goes the one elf I had in mind to play unless I find one I really like. Though I agree that's pretty weird that we don't get to know what it means AND are forced to have one I'm assuming there was no room in the CC for a little description box for the Dalish tattoos.
Even so, what's stopping BioWare from releasing a chart or infograph to help players choose?
They handled the Elven option in this game very poorly in my opinion.
You want to roleplay an Elf? Well, you have to be a Dalish Elf. That eliminates City, Tevinter, and Qun Elf roleplaying options.
You want to roleplay as your character? Well, you have to have Vallaslin. That eliminates any but loyal Dalish Elf as a personality.
Did you learn nothing from the other thread?
You haven't played the game yet, you don't know what kind of personality options are applicable. It's entirely possible that you cna be a disloyal elf, a loyal one, a confused or even just toeing the line until you get away from the clan.
Stop being so negative.
I wonder if they'll all even look the same as in Origins?
This...
https://pbs.twimg.co...AJOmW.jpg:large
...does not.
So, are they all different now or is this one a new one?
If it's a new one, what god does it represent? I use this as a guide now for the existing vallaslin.
The Inquisitor's tattoo doesn't really look similar to anything here.
It honestly kind of bothers me that that tattoo looks nothing like the vallaslin we've seen in Origins. It looks more like one of the tattoo options for Hawke, who is obviously human. But for all we know, they're still messing around with the CC, so it's hard to say whether that's supposed to be one of the vallaslin or not.
Even so, what's stopping BioWare from releasing a chart or infograph to help players choose?
I'm hoping Bioware changes their mind about this. It simply doesn't make any sense not to release this information; players should be able to make an informed choice when they chose to play as an elven Inquisitor, not take a stab in the dark about vallaslin that's supposed to be representative of one of the Creators.
Frankly, I don't understand why Bioware has chosen to take this route. It's troublesome that they've decided not to address which vallaslin correspond to which one of the elven gods when it's part of Dalish culture, particularly given their significance in their culture. There's no reason to prohibit players from having this information.
I'm hoping Bioware changes their mind about this. It simply doesn't make any sense not to release this information; players should be able to make an informed choice when they chose to play as an elven Inquisitor, not take a stab in the dark about vallaslin that's supposed to be representative of one of the Creators.
Frankly, I don't understand why Bioware has chosen to take this route. It's troublesome that they've decided not to address which vallaslin correspond to which one of the elven gods when it's part of Dalish culture, particularly given their significance in their culture. There's no reason to prohibit players from having this information.
I like to try and Support Bioware in all their choices, but... I just think it would be something really lovely to have. Perhaps as a page in the game guide that comes with the box? (or do boxed games not do that anymore?)
I like to try and Support Bioware in all their choices, but... I just think it would be something really lovely to have. Perhaps as a page in the game guide that comes with the box? (or do boxed games not do that anymore?)
It would be great if Bioware reversed their decision on this matter. For people who want to chose vallaslin that accurately represents their main character, the decision to leave players in the dark hinders that agency entirely, forcing us to basically guess at what each vallaslin might mean.
Whether it's included in the game guide (which are still included in some games) or on their official website, it would be nice to have this information before making our character.
the problem is that we as Dalish must have vallasin because we are adult hunters or keeper first...thats dalish culture so deal with it as with Solas who will not have serious relationship exept elf females
but for those who do not like to wear valaslin we can make it barely invisible
i do not like only as i understand, that we do not have info about what each valaslin means...what of them indicate Creators or other things
i know only that 2 keepers wear this vallaslin
but he is too wear it
Did you learn nothing from the other thread?
You haven't played the game yet, you don't know what kind of personality options are applicable. It's entirely possible that you cna be a disloyal elf, a loyal one, a confused or even just toeing the line until you get away from the clan.
Stop being so negative.
The condescending tone is not appreciated. And no, I will not 'stop being so negative'. I tried positive which ended in disappointment, and there is nothing shown so far to convince me to try to be optimistic about this again.
the problem is that we as Dalish must have vallasin because we are adult hunters or keeper first...thats dalish culture so deal with it as with Solas who will not have serious relationship exept elf females
but for those who do not like to wear valaslin we can make it barely invisible
i do not like only as i understand, that we do not have info about what each valaslin means...what of them indicate Creators or other things
i know only that 2 keepers wear this vallaslin
*snip*
but he is too wear it
*snip*
I think you mean they can be barely visible. Barely invisible is not much of a comfort for those who don't want them.
As for the tattoos being connected to roles, I'm pretty sure that is not the case. After all both of the Halla keepers don't have the tattoo that is believed to be associated with the Creator who is associated with Halla, or even the same Vallaslin at all.
Admittedly, I don't like facial tattoos (or scars, for that matter). If it's required, especially because they're an important symbol within the Dalish lore, then I think it's fair to request the meaning of the options. That list floating about guessing at their meanings is nice, but I barely touch mods because I'm a bit of a stickler for "official content only," so I'd, personally, enjoy a confirmation of their meanings.
If we're given the same options as Origins, I'd pick the one attributed to Sylaise in the link because it's the only one that I like. If they're different, then I have no idea, and hopefully the visibility can be very faint. If I do not like any of them and the faintest visibility still bothers me, then I suppose I'll stick with all human characters.
This is quite a nonsensical move on Bioware's part. Even if they did not include the vallaslin descriptions in the Character Creation, they should release a blog post on Dragonage.com or Bioware Blog and explain the meaning of each vallaslin.
I suppose this will be justified as a "game decision to offer moar choices" or "we have enough tattoos for everyone so there ya go!" or "this is a low priority" PR BS.
People, the explanations are there.
Here if you're too lazy to look on the front page. Those explanations all makes sense thematically and mythically, with the possible exception of Falon'din.
They didn't add new ones in DA2 (Velanna and Merrill are the only unique tattoos so far) so presumably they'll remain the same in DAI. Mages will be firsts, so if you want to be lore faithful you probably want to have the Dirthamen one. I'll get Falon'din though, since I reckon it looks the best.
We already know they have some new tattoos for DAI though (they showed the female Dalish Inquisitor sporting one), so although you can use a guide for the old ones, we still wouldn't know about new tattoos.
The condescending tone is not appreciated. And no, I will not 'stop being so negative'. I tried positive which ended in disappointment, and there is nothing shown so far to convince me to try to be optimistic about this again.
I just think it's entirely too early to be as concerned and pessimistic as you are.
Honestly, I kind of prefer they not making it explicit which tattoo belongs to which god, for one thing, it removes the possibility of choosing, I mean: if you don't label them, you can imagine whatever you choose, if they label it, you can't. What if the only one I like is the Falon'Din one, but I don't like what that god represents? Hmm... I think it's best for us to have the choice to imagine what we prefer.
Besides, you're kinda assuming that the Dalish lore is finished, and, guess what? maybe it's not. There are lots of different clans, which could be different from each other in many ways, we just don't know... The Dalish culture is almost lost, so there could be things that a clan remembers and others don't. At least I see it that way. I wouldn't be surprised if there were new tattoos, nor annoyed. It's their story and if they want to expand it, that's fine by me 
Honestly, I kind of prefer they not making it explicit which tattoo belongs to which god, for one thing, it removes the possibility of choosing, I mean: if you don't label them, you can imagine whatever you choose, if they label it, you can't. What if the only one I like is the Falon'Din one, but I don't like what that god represents? Hmm... I think it's best for us to have the choice to imagine what we prefer.
Besides, you're kinda assuming that the Dalish lore is finished, and, guess what? maybe it's not. There are lots of different clans, which could be different from each other in many ways, we just don't know... The Dalish culture is almost lost, so there could be things that a clan remembers and others don't. At least I see it that way. I wouldn't be surprised if there were new tattoos, nor annoyed. It's their story and if they want to expand it, that's fine by me
That's why some of us suggested BioWare releasing the info in a forum post, because then if you want to headcannon it you can, and if you want to know then the information is out there somewhere.
That's why some of us suggested BioWare releasing the info in a forum post, because then if you want to headcannon it you can, and if you want to know then the information is out there somewhere.
Bah, I couldn't do it... xD if the information were to be displayed I would have the urge to learn it... but I'd be the one to blame then, haha 
I think it's perfectly fine you'd like Bioware to tell you, I was just saying that I'd rather not, but I won't be annoyed if it is indeed told/shown... I just don't understand the need... And if they don't tell us, they'll have a reason, I'm sure (it could be they never thought about giving them actual meaning, or who knows)
Bah, I couldn't do it... xD if the information were to be displayed I would have the urge to learn it... but I'd be the one to blame then, haha
I think it's perfectly fine you'd like Bioware to tell you, I was just saying that I'd rather not, but I won't be annoyed if it is indeed told/shown... I just don't understand the need... And if they don't tell us, they'll have a reason, I'm sure (it could be they never thought about giving them actual meaning, or who knows)
I'm moderately neurotic over accurate portrayal... but that's on me.
Honestly, I kind of prefer they not making it explicit which tattoo belongs to which god, for one thing, it removes the possibility of choosing, I mean: if you don't label them, you can imagine whatever you choose, if they label it, you can't. What if the only one I like is the Falon'Din one, but I don't like what that god represents? Hmm... I think it's best for us to have the choice to imagine what we prefer.
I respectfully disagree. If the vallaslin have no actual meaning, then I see a problem. If the vallaslin are simply nifty designs that have no genuine representation, and are simply tattoos that one chooses simply for aesthetic appeal (with imagination required to give them any substance), then that makes them relatively meaningless. Their importance comes from their representation of the pantheon of elven gods who the Dalish have refused to surrender, despite how it has made life difficult for them in Andrastian lands.
Besides, you're kinda assuming that the Dalish lore is finished, and, guess what? maybe it's not. There are lots of different clans, which could be different from each other in many ways, we just don't know... The Dalish culture is almost lost, so there could be things that a clan remembers and others don't. At least I see it that way. I wouldn't be surprised if there were new tattoos, nor annoyed. It's their story and if they want to expand it, that's fine by me
Dalish lore isn't finished if the developers address which vallaslin represent which Creators; it's merely one aspect of their culture that some of us are interested in being addressed.
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