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[TheChris92]

Odd, how they refuse to provide any proper elaboration on the concept of these tattoos, hmm..

[Skymaple]

I respectfully disagree. If the vallaslin have no actual meaning, then I see a problem. If the vallaslin are simply nifty designs that have no genuine representation, and are simply tattoos that one chooses simply for aesthetic appeal (with imagination required to give them any substance), then that makes them relatively meaningless. Their importance comes from their representation of the pantheon of elven gods who the Dalish have refused to surrender, despite how it has made life difficult for them in Andrastian lands.

 

 

Dalish lore isn't finished if the developers address which vallaslin represent which Creators; it's merely one aspect of their culture that some of us are interested in being addressed.

But if they tell you the god it represents it suddenly has a meaning? We know too little about them... We don't know -at least I don't, if you know please tell me, I'd really like to know- if one chooses their own tattoo, or if the keeper/clan chooses it. We don't know if it represents something else apart from respecting your culture and showing you are Dalish. We don't know if a certain tattoo describes the personality of a certain elf... So unless they explain all of that (sorry if it has already been explained and I missed it), it's still kinda meaningless, at least from where I am standing.

So, if it was known, how knowing a random god is represented in a random tattoo would help you creating a character? Would the tattoo be that important to the character? changing his/her personality (If you have the Mythal tattoo then you can't be an ass?) Or it's just to settle the lore and saying "that's it, it's all figured out" (I apologize if I don't make sense or it seems a little bit impetuous/rude, that's not my intention, but English is not my mother tongue and in Spanish we use to be more vehement in our arguments xD I'm really interested in all of those answers and if they tell us everything about the vallaslin, then fine by me, but if not, I prefer to imagine it all)

 

What I meant with the Dalish lore not being finished is that maybe they could add more tattoos and say that, I don't know, other clans used to have another gods, or that those tattoos also represent other things, like forest, river, whatever... xD

[Lady Luminous]

But if they tell you the god it represents it suddenly has a meaning? We know too little about them... We don't know -at least I don't, if you know please tell me, I'd really like to know- if one chooses their own tattoo, or if the keeper/clan chooses it. We don't know if it represents something else apart from respecting your culture and showing you are Dalish. We don't know if a certain tattoo describes the personality of a certain elf... So unless they explain all of that (sorry if it has already been explained and I missed it), it's still kinda meaningless, at least from where I am standing.

So, if it was known, how knowing a random god is represented in a random tattoo would help you creating a character? Would the tattoo be that important to the character? changing his/her personality (If you have the Mythal tattoo then you can't be an ass?) Or it's just to settle the lore and saying "that's it, it's all figured out" (I apologize if I don't make sense or it seems a little bit impetuous/rude, that's not my intention, but English is not my mother tongue and in Spanish we use to be more vehement in our arguments xD I'm really interested in all of those answers and if they tell us everything about the vallaslin, then fine by me, but if not, I prefer to imagine it all)

 

What I meant with the Dalish lore not being finished is that maybe they could add more tattoos and say that, I don't know, other clans used to have another gods, or that those tattoos also represent other things, like forest, river, whatever... xD

 

 

To me (although I haven't read the lore) it would be similar to Grecian gods where although you might pray to all of the gods, there would be one god you identified with more and would make more offerings to than the others. 

 

It doesn't have to dictate your personality. It's just like getting a tattoo in person you'll identify with certain designs over others. 

 

**Please note this is simply my interpretation**

[Drasanil]

To me (although I haven't read the lore) it would be similar to Grecian gods where although you might pray to all of the gods, there would be one god you identified with more and would make more offerings to than the others. 

 

It doesn't have to dictate your personality. It's just like getting a tattoo in person you'll identify with certain designs over others. 

 

**Please note this is simply my interpretation**

 

 

It could also be a parallel to the Jewish Tefillin (little box hat with prayers in it), isn't one of the origins for those things that they were used to preserve the Torah at some point in their history? The tattoos need not have any meaning beyond serving as a 'back up copy' for elven holy symbols and rituals, sure the humans can burn down your caravans or what not all over again, but if the blood writing is really in part symbolic writing, as long as some dalish live the lore will live on with them.

[Lady Luminous]

It could also be a parallel to the Jewish Tefillin (little box hat with prayers in it), isn't one of the origins for those things that they were used to preserve the Torah at some point in their history? The tattoos need not have any meaning beyond serving as a 'back up copy' for elven holy symbols and rituals, sure the humans can burn down your caravans or what not all over again, but if the blood writing is really in part symbolic writing, as long as some dalish live the lore will live on with them.

 

Oh, now that is a clever way to look at it! I don't know much about Jewish history. 

[Drasanil]

Oh, now that is a clever way to look at it! I don't know much about Jewish history. 

 

Neither do I, to be honest, just vaguely remember something from a documentary about how they originated as a way to preserve the torah at some point when Egyptians/Babylonians/Someone conquered them and tried to take their religion/scriptures away.

 

But literally tattooing the most important bits of their lore on their faces seems like something the Dalish would do given how obsessed they are with preserving their culture. It could also explain why vallaslin literally translates to 'blood writing' and gives bioware a reason to keep adding more tattoos of all shapes and sizes

[Lady Luminous]

Neither do I, to be honest, just vaguely remember something from a documentary about how they originated as a way to preserve the torah at some point when Egyptians/Babylonians/Someone conquered them and tried to take their religion/scriptures away.

 

But literally tattooing the most important bits of their lore on their faces seems like something the Dalish would do given how obsessed they are with preserving their culture. It could also explain why vallaslin literally translates to 'blood writing' and gives bioware a reason to keep adding more tattoos of all shapes and sizes

 

I really quite like your explanation. And then that ties into why someone may chose one tattoo over another. If that point of history or symbol is relevant to them of course they're going to want to preserve it. 

[Skymaple]

But literally tattooing the most important bits of their lore on their faces seems like something the Dalish would do given how obsessed they are with preserving their culture. It could also explain why vallaslin literally translates to 'blood writing' and gives bioware a reason to keep adding more tattoos of all shapes and sizes

 

I really quite like your explanation. And then that ties into why someone may chose one tattoo over another. If that point of history or symbol is relevant to them of course they're going to want to preserve it. 

 

Ok, I'd be perfectly fine with that, as long as they provide us with enough Dalish lore to make such a decision, not only the names and some brief depiction, but more legends/stories/myths about the gods, so that the choice could actually be a meaningful one

[Joseph Warrick]

Just pick one that looks cool and headcanon it represents the god of murder.

[Lady Luminous]

Ok, I'd be perfectly fine with that, as long as they provide us with enough Dalish lore to make such a decision, not only the names and some brief depiction, but more legends/stories/myths about the gods, so that the choice could actually be a meaningful one

 

While I would love that, it ties back into time management and resources. But it would be great if they were able to.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I wonder if they will have it in World of Thedas Volume 2. 

[Vereesa]

This seems a little odd, we have to ahve the Vallaslin, but we can't know which ones represent which god?

 

I hope this doesn't indicate that the non-human races are going to be treated as an afterthought 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

This seems a little odd, we have to ahve the Vallaslin, but we can't know which ones represent which god?

 

I hope this doesn't indicate that the non-human races are going to be treated as an afterthought 

Considering that the race with the most romances available to them isn't Human but Elf, I think you don't have to worry about that. 

[SardaukarElite]

This seems a little odd, we have to ahve the Vallaslin, but we can't know which ones represent which god?

 

I would guess that the idea is that you don't have to choose between the face paint you like and your favourite god.

[Mirrman70]

This seems a little odd, we have to ahve the Vallaslin, but we can't know which ones represent which god?

 

I hope this doesn't indicate that the non-human races are going to be treated as an afterthought 

 

they literally are an afterthought though. They literally originally planned to make the inquisitor human only.

[Dobyk]

 

We're not allowed to learn which elven deity is represented by which tattoo design?

 

 

 

 

While I'm all for the Dalish Inquisitor having a blood writing face tattoo, or vallaslin, since it's part of the lore for all Dalish to receive such a design as a rite of passage (and the Inquisitor is hardly a piddling teenager), I don't understand why we won't get a chance to learn which vallaslin design represents which elven god. Since it's part of the lore for Dalish to receive the vallaslin as a rite of passage no matter what, shouldn't we also be able to learn which design represents which deity so we can better understand the in-game lore, make a more informed choice, and just improve character and roleplay investment overall?

 

It just seems very odd to me to require vallaslin design, each design of which represents an elven deity, but then not reveal which design represents which deity. 

 

 

Eer, seriously.... In DA:O there was actually a codex which quite clearly states that Vallaslin tattoos do represent elven deities, and that particular elf's philosophy about life. By choosing which deity you dedicate yourself on, you pretty much define your view and approach to life. In DA:I, now that we know we will definitely have blood writing, it just makes sense to know the meaning of the tattoo and which deity it represents. Seriously, it's very obvious, and if we don't know it will take away from our experience. If nobody, not even another Dalish, even makes a comment on the meaning of the tattoo, it will be very disappointing.

[Dobyk]

While I would love that, it ties back into time management and resources. But it would be great if they were able to.

 

It literally takes a tooltip with a small paragraph of one or two sentences which tells the player what the tattoo is related to. I would imagine it's not that expensive to add.

[CENIC]

For the most part I liked the original vallaslin designs, though I don't think any of the designs should be around or near the mouth, like with Mythal's. It looks like wrinkles and is visually unappealing I think the majority of the design should be on the forehead.

The small blue tattoo we've seen so far didn't feel very Dalish to me, but I'm appreciative that they are offering less conspicuous options for those who want them.

I'd like to know which design corresponds to which god, but if it doesn't matter, then I assume nobody will ever bring it up in conversation... which i would expect. Ah well. I will still give my Dalish the design I think fits Elgar'nan, since she seeks vengeance against the shems for all the wrongs done to her people.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I assume nobody will ever bring it up in conversation

Oh, it better come up at least once from each of our followers and a few NPCs since it is mandatory. 

[Azaron Nightblade]

Ugh, forced tattoos?

Vanilla human it is for me then. 

[Mirrman70]

Oh, it better come up at least once from each of our followers and a few NPCs since it is mandatory. 

 

maybe Solas and Sera, the others however might not know they importance of the Vallaslin.

[Lady Luminous]

It literally takes a tooltip with a small paragraph of one or two sentences which tells the player what the tattoo is related to. I would imagine it's not that expensive to add.

 

"Would imagine" doesn't always translate to what they are able to do. 

[Gregolian]

This is why I might not do a Dalish Elf Inquisitor until I meet the Dalish in game and I get to check out there tattoos and try and see if there is any relation between the tattoo and what they do in the clan.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

maybe Solas and Sera, the others however might not know they importance of the Vallaslin.

Then I don't see the point in having it mandatory plotwise if practically nobody brings it up.  

[Reznore57]

A dev showed a picture of his elven Inquisitor  , it's on the Twitter thread.

Anyway he had vallaslin , but you can't tell it's the case because the tatoo is almost invisible .

In theory he has a tattoo near one of his ears...