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[veeia]

They'd never be entrusted to do anything important, such as go to this conference. So... no, it's not reasonable.
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Couldn't you just as easily say that a Dalish who is about to get their vallasin would be the ideal choice? Because they'd be able to blend in well? From the little info we have, I don't think you can fullstop say that, especially since we don't know anything about the specific attitudes of that clan.

If it's written in a way that indicates what you say, it will make sense to me. I'm not saying its unreasonable that they put the limitation on, just with the information we have, its not unreasonable to question it!

Since they are making it required, I hope it has narrative backing, and isn't an arbitrary lore adherent restriction that has no real consequences when presumably you'll be allowed to do that with other characters. What if you make a human with vallasin? The Dalish won't react to that, you know?

[Xilizhra]

Couldn't you just as easily say that a Dalish who is about to get their vallasin would be the ideal choice? Because they'd be able to blend in well? From the little info we have, I don't think you can fullstop say that, especially since we don't know anything about the specific attitudes of that clan.

If it's written in a way that indicates what you say, it will make sense to me. I'm not saying its unreasonable that they put the limitation on, just with the information we have, its not unreasonable to question it!

Since they are making it required, I hope it has narrative backing, and isn't an arbitrary lore adherent restriction that has no real consequences when presumably you'll be allowed to do that with other characters. What if you make a human with vallasin? The Dalish won't react to that, you know?

I don't think humans will be able to get those designs. They couldn't in either of the previous two games.

 

And it'd still be like enlisting a 16-year-old in the armed forces, except that lying about their age is impossible because it's literally written on their face. Those who haven't gone through the ceremony simply aren't worthy of being entrusted with tasks like this.

[Icy Magebane]

Couldn't you just as easily say that a Dalish who is about to get their vallasin would be the ideal choice? Because they'd be able to blend in well? From the little info we have, I don't think you can fullstop say that, especially since we don't know anything about the specific attitudes of that clan.

If it's written in a way that indicates what you say, it will make sense to me. I'm not saying its unreasonable that they put the limitation on, just with the information we have, its not unreasonable to question it!

Since they are making it required, I hope it has narrative backing, and isn't an arbitrary lore adherent restriction that has no real consequences when presumably you'll be allowed to do that with other characters. What if you make a human with vallasin? The Dalish won't react to that, you know?

Humans and other non-Dalish have a different set of tattoos they can select... or at least, that was the case in DA:O.  Maker Dirthamen knows if that's even true anymore considering all of these other changes...

 

edit:  forgot which thread I was in for a second...

[veeia]

Oh did they? Dang, I must have had a mod installed or something that changed that, my bad!

[Icy Magebane]

Oh did they? Dang, I must have had a mod installed or something that changed that, my bad!

  No problem... unexpected changes by mods can trip people up from time to time. 

[veeia]

Now I'm kind of bummed out. I was planning on having a Hipster!Cadash that revered the Dalish and had a Dalish tattoo even though she'd never met them...just like, straight up awful cultural appropriation/exotification. Oh well, I'm sure she'll find another way of being horribly, obliviously offensive.  

[SamanthaJ]

Now I'm kind of bummed out. I was planning on having a Hipster!Cadash that revered the Dalish and had a Dalish tattoo even though she'd never met them...just like, straight up awful cultural appropriation/exotification. Oh well, I'm sure she'll find another way of being horribly, obliviously offensive.

Maybe your Cadash can ride a halla.

[10K]

Watching the new CC and it looks like the female elf has a rendition of the Falon'din tattoo, so maybe the same tattoos will be present but just look a bit different. So maybe we'll know which tattoo belongs to it's corresponding deity. 

[Patchwork]

Watching the new CC and it looks like the female elf has a rendition of the Falon'din tattoo, so maybe the same tattoos will be present but just look a bit different. So maybe we'll know which tattoo belongs to it's corresponding deity. 

 

This makes me hopeful.

 

The 3 day European wait might work in my favour here, people better at that sort of thing can figure them out and I'll just reap the benefit of their cleverness   

[Tragoudistros]

I find it hard to imagine that the developers are unwilling to explain the meaning behind the tattoos.
If a person wants to know, they should be able to. If a person wants to have their own interpretation, they are free to do so. Having existing meanings cannot take away from that... In the real world, tattoos only mean what the wearer chooses, and others must ask the meaning of the tattoo. In the game, a player has that same option. The only option that is missing in an unambiguous tattoo.

They went as far as to explain different qunari horn states, why would they not explain tattoos that span 3 games.

Anyone can choose a universally recognized tatoo and assign a personal meaning to it. In the same way a christian can wear a cross that means something special to them, or a Hindu wear a bindi, and countless other faiths. Different symbols, but they hold universal and personal meanings.

the devs saying it's an important but meaningless part of Dalish culture is kind of wasteful. Empty lore.

Giving a basic nod to what they represent is fine; the (craz...er dedicated) fans can go into the nitty gritty. 25% of the character choices are Dalish, that sounds like a sizeable number to at least name the tattoos.

[Armorat]

Was gonna tat' my Dalish Inquisitor anyways, so at least no roleplaying has be crushed for me. But it bugs me that Bioware, usually so thorough on lore, just threw this one aside completely. Wouldn't even be that hard to incorporate into the CC...don't need lengthy descriptions for each tattoo, just put the name somewhere on screen as you cycle through. The people who don't care about RP will ignore it, and the people who do will do a little research to figure out which is best.

[Vereesa]

I haven't been able to watch the CC video yet, but do we get to see Vallasin in it?

[Icy Magebane]

I haven't been able to watch the CC video yet, but do we get to see Vallasin in it?

Yes, actually...

 

[Puppy Love]

My issue with the tattoos is that ultimately each one usually has some little thing that feels off to me about it.  This something triggers a sort of neurotic compulsive need in my head to fix the issue and correct the thing that feels off.  Same thing that occurs with many piercings, and other off things.  I've learned to deal with it in life, I mean I can't walk up to someone and rip their lip piercing or nose piercing out, but it still causes me mental anguish because I have to fight a need I neither desire nor understand as a result.  Now, I've seen tattoos that don't trigger this, I've also seen tattoos I find attractive, but they're beyond rare and so far what I've seen most of these tattoos fall not only not in the attractive category, but in the neurotic causing territory.

 

I appreciate the lore, and respect others characters and NPCs, but at the same time, I have this issue, and it's just not something I can force on myself if I have a choice, and while I accept that with others characters and NPCs, if there is no tattoo that does not bother me, I will be unable to play an elf in this game.  Whereas if a no tattoo option was available, it may not fit lore perfectly but I'd still be able to play my character.

 

This being said, I may be lucky, not all tattoos might feel off, if so I'll happily have one for lore reasons on my elf, if not well I'm screwed out of it.

[drummerchick]

@Puppy Love
If you can't find a tattoo that doesn't trigger for you, minimizing the intensity slider might help.
Although, that may depend on your eyesight/ graphics; some of us were still able to distinguish the Vallaslin on the male elf pic that was shared.
But hopefully, you'll find something that works for ya.

[Chernaya]

If we're able to use an entire color palette for choosing the tattoo colors, maybe those who do not wish to have visible tattoos can just choose a small one, make it as faint as possible and match it up to your characters skin color?

 

I haven't personally seen any vallaslin I'm fond of yet for this game, but I've only seen 2 or 3 designs so far so I have hope. I tend to be kinda bothered by the ones that aren't symmetrical. either way, if I'm playing a Dalish I'm going to give my character a tattoo (i'm an adult dangit!) but if there's none I like I'll probably just make it really faint...

[Tragoudistros]

They should just release a twitter image with the tattoos and a textbox under each name. In-Character Creator text would require new coding, but an online image with a few names require a considerably smaller amount of effort.

I would hope that the people that coded the tattoos were given some kind of direction when they designed them. It would be nice to be privy to that. From the current position, it seems as though the tattoos are meaningless, which seems contradictory.

Small effort, high yield is easy to prioritize; a Twitch, Twitter, Facebook, announcement would give fans what they are asking for.

[Commander Rpg]

I had a facial tattoo on my first DA:O character (Dalish elf), not a big problem, I chose it. What puzzles me is why can't I know what my tattoo is representing if I'm a dalish and a full member of the dalish family. It's like Batman or Nightwing not knowing how the signal works.

[TheEternalStudent]

I had a facial tattoo on my first DA:O character (Dalish elf), not a big problem, I chose it. What puzzles me is why can't I know what my tattoo is representing if I'm a dalish and a full member of the dalish family. It's like Batman or Nightwing not knowing how the signal works.

To be fair Gordon's the one more likely to be turning the signal on.
But your point is understood, Nightwing should cameo in Inquisition.

[Commander Rpg]

To be fair Gordon's the one more likely to be turning the signal on.
But your point is understood, Nightwing should cameo in Inquisition.

Recognizing the signal is the first part of the Batman family training; doing otherwise could lead to comical (pun intended) results.

[TheEternalStudent]

Recognizing the signal is the first part of the Batman family training; doing otherwise could lead to comical (pun intended) results.

I'm pretty sure the first part of training is 'don't tell anybody'. Followed by 'here's how you don't get shot' and 'no killing'

[lallyzippo]

I actually like that the player must have a tattoo this time around. It is part of the Dalish culture, and I found it silly in Origins that you could opt-out of having one. As for BW not explaining the meaning behind them, I think that's silly too. It would be great to know the meaning of the tat I must ink on my characters face. 

 

I would love to know which tattoo in Inquisition represents the elven god Dirthamen. It would just make RPing even more fun for me.

Yeah, but at the same time the warden was guestimated to be about 18-20 ish in origins...potentially they could have just not gone through the ritual of adulthood yet.

 

And yeah, same for Sylaise ._. My Quiz'tor feels a connection with her.

[l7986]

Adding a couple lines of description for each tattoo sounds like the perfect job to give an intern.

[10K]

Okay as I said before it seems to be renditions of the same tattoos from Origins in Inquisition. I gathered up screens for the ones that have already been shown. I want to see what you guys think.

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This one reminds me of that tattoo representing Andruil. Because the part on the forehead and chin, it looks a bit similar

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This one reminds me of the basic tattoo representing Falon'din. Mostly because of the chin.

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This one was a big tricky, it reminds me of the tattoos representing both June and Mythal. But because of the part on the mouth I have to go with Mythal.

Spoiler

For this one your guess is as good as mine. But I'll go with June.

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This one is one we've seen alot. As the last one your guess is as good as mine. I'll say Dirthamen, just because the design reminds me of a key hole and Dirthamen is the keeper of secrets. So any way tell me what you guys think. This isn't all of the Vallaslin from the look of the vids, I think there's more.