You initially tried to argue that gay men even in this aspect have it as bad, because most books you read place them with women. Only after my further questions you admitted that it wasn't actually about gay men, but popular in Yaoi motive of basically straight guy who makes an exception for one guy, which is something completely different.
Each time in response to someone saying that lesbians are more accepted in the media than gay men.
I don't know, I didn't see those movies, and as you said, neither did you. But I believe that could be the case (but also the majority of lesbian character fall under damaging lesbian sleeping with a man trope and with more lesbian characters in TV - who still make smaller portion of the cake compared with gay men - it happens more often lately; not to mention that there are also other tropes). What angers me is dismissal of the situation of gay women, as automatically being worth less attention than "the real deal", gay men. This opinion was repeated many times on this board, that obviously lesbians have it better. Which is BS.
And of course you have to make a point: "On the contrary, it makes their (gay men's) situation even worse.". Without providing any concrete examples.
You know, I know hardships of life as gay woman in homophobic country firsthand, not from some yuri books and novels so I would appreciate if you didn't try to lecture me on such matters, especially by using anecdotal evidences as your whole argument.
The person who said lesbians are more accepted than gays was another one, not me o.O I said, bot of them are equally bad represented in media. Both groups in their own bad way... I could tell you some books I've read, but I doubt you'll know them. Most of the time I read german books because I'm german. And if you want some film examples: As I said I don't know their names anymore. I don't make notes after watching a film where a stereotypically gay person was represented. However, there are some soap operas I remember that had really bad representation of gay guys in previous times, for example the series Unter Uns. They showed a gay person, overly feminine and ******-like who tried to kiss a straight person. the straight person was, of course, totally normal and attractive and he hasn't said anything against the bad gay person, who pressed him...It became better in Unter Uns since there's a bisexual guy in the maincast now, but it's still a big problem in media. Or "Bauer sucht Frau", there was a lesbian couple represented as normal as if they're not different from heterosexual couples, and a gay couple represented as overly girly with a preference for cosmetics. Or the series AWZ, there was a guy, who first thought he was hetero, then he thought, he was gay, then he cheated on his boyfriend with a girl, then he went back to his boyfriend...and now, he seems to be more heterosexual again. I also found other films and series with homosexuals who fall in love with a female: coming in, verrückt nach Clara, der Ausreißer (Le roi de l'evasion), and I remember a film with a female (vampire?) who's loved by gay people, but I forgot the name. So, you wanted some examples. Here they are.... . and I see gay guys in movies who act overly feminine and campy very often, even if I just switch on TV without knowing what movie or series is shown. Then, I just change the programm and get annoyed.
and believe me, it's not better to read gay books written for gay people with straight sex scenes. If I read a gay book I want gay people or bisexual people whose bisexuality doesn't lead to straight sex scenes, but unfortunately, that's not natural. There are straight sex scenes for example in Der Hohepriester, Die Verschwörung der Templer, Captive Prince (still a great book though), Staub und Stolz, Immortale or Affairs gefährliche Liebe (stupid book which described the passon of straigth sex, but shows very boring gay scenes with interruptions and no romantic.)
and why shouldn't I bring up books and yaoi mangas as an example of bad gay representation when you do the same with movies and their lesbian people in it? Sorry, but that's just unfair. If you bring up examples I shouldn't be forbidden to do the same. And you don't know my situation. You don't know if I'm harassed or suppressed as well... Beside that, tell me a reliable source where's written that lesbian are worse represented than gay guys. You always try to tell that they have it so much worse. But that's just subjective. Yes, lesbians get less attention in movies than gay men, BUT it's also a fact that the more representation isn't always good representation. on the contrary...gay men are often described as very unlikeable people who need to be killed. So the comparison to the cake isn't really a good one since gay people often get sour milk instead.
my whole point is: more representation doesn't mean to be better representation. If there are more gay movies than lesbian movies there's a higher chance that they'll have more good movies, but also a higher chance that they'll have more bad movies. And since our society is really stereotypical, it's often the second case, unfortunately... That's why gay people don't always win if they get more attention in media. Somestimes it's better to have less attention.
don't know if you speak german but it says what I mean. http://www.paradisi....tikel/14988.php
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. Playing a female character doesn't get me out of my comfort zone, but I just enjoy playing what I can relate to. 
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