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Most of my Wardens were female, all my Hawkes are female, I will also have many female Inquisitors. Only had two male wardens, I may have one or two male Inquisitors, definitely one for Cassie, not sure of the second yet. He may ride the Bull or get stuck to a stache if I play him.
You gotta do both!
I've come around to being a little bit less upset about the whole inequality thing. I still am a little bit skeptical that it wouldn't have been just as simple for them to make either Solas and Cullen bisexual instead of adding both or whatever, but I'm not their writers, and I guess if they wanted to write straight characters then that's their prerogative.
I'm still interested in romancing Sera, Dorian and Josephine, and I'm sure IB will grow on me, just because I don't like the way he's been marketed doesn't mean I won't like him. So I'll have plenty of playthroughs (and tbh, I romanced Zevran and Fenris like 4 times each, so it's not like I really need that many options).
@IPlayBioware, I might. Once I talk to them things may change. Reason I can see my female elf going berserk too... Its raining men...as well as women for her. 
You may have a point. I actually can't remember a game that I've played that featured a female protagonist outside of Tomb Raider... and I've played many, many games over the years. If fighting games count, then I guess I used to pick female fighers more in the past, but I still favored Ryu and Ken over Sakura (although she was unnaturally strong in the early Street Fighter Alpha games...). In the original Resident Evil, I normally chose Chris, although I remember at least one Jill run... Tbh I think it's just a preference that some people have and some don't. It's hard to say...
I'm on the other side of that, just find it so difficult to play a male character. Last time I played as a male was Torment =)
However I really like Cassandra, so I think I will have to try a PT. It won't be the second one but one day. Will probably play as a male qunari so that at least it won't be a human male, hoping that it will be a little easier to connect that way. Don't know why but for me humans just feel like they should be female.
Maybe changing some aspect of the character might make it easier to connect? Class or race?
I don't know if that would really change anything though... I mean, I could have done that in DA:O, the Elder Scrolls, Kingdoms of Amalur, Champions of Norrath... you get the idea. 
Now that I'm thinking about it, I guess I am in the camp that has difficulty relating to the opposite gender... but maybe only to an extent. It's odd since I have no problem at all playing as Lara in Tomb Raider, but in a game where I have the option, I always choose male. I tend to roleplay a wide range of alignments, perspectives, and motivations, but maybe at the heart of this is the desire to project myself into the characters, even when they don't share my morality. I've tried to play as females in these games for one reason or another over the years, but they never lasted long... maybe I was unimpressed by the stories and personas I'd come up with for them? It's happened with male characters, so that could be part of it. I don't know...
This may be getting a bit off-topic however... in a way, it may relate to romances, as I have very rarely pursued a m/f romance the few times I attempted to play as a female. Since it happens in games without romance, however, I don't believe that is the cause.
I figure it's the larger scope of these things.
EVERYONE will buy "Mark of the Assassin" or "Legacy."
Only those interested in romancing Varric will buy Varric.
Ehhh, I think something like that is more than worth an experimental release. Maybe a "Romance Pack", which opens up a few different characters for love. The romance side of the game isn't that important to me and I'd still buy it. Romance fans can be truly rabid and would lap that up. Meanwhile, I doubt that "everyone" or even most people are buying MotA and Legacy.
If it doesn't work out, they won't have lost that much, as they wouldn't have to put time and money into creating new environments, gameplay elements, enemies, or a significant amount of animations. Just the writing and voice acting mostly.
White straight men really are so underrepresented that the idea of reducing their representation is so horrible? Also, no one said anything about "outright eliminating" them.
Straight women are the opposite of underrepresented in the field of romance genre lol. The entire field of media is catered to them.
Straight women are the opposite of underrepresented in the field of romance genre lol. The entire field of media is catered to them.
I wouldn't say that.
Men just like to pretend they don't like the romance genre.
I wouldn't say that.
Men just like to pretend they don't like the romance genre.
The marketing is strictly aimed at women. The dialogues and characters are tailored for a straight female sensibility.
If you go to any Diana Gabaldon Q&A for Outlander, which isn't even the most romancey of the romance genre literature, the audience is overwhelmingly female. In weddings and Valentine's Day, the marketing is for the straight female.
Now, if we are talking about other genres such as action or mystery or scifi, yeah straight women have their grievances. But to sit and pretend like straight women aren't privileged in the romance genre and anything related to romance content in games, is bullshit.
Category romances - Mills and Boon, Harlequin - are primarily bought by women. This doesn't mean men dislike romance; it means men tend to avoid books that are heavily marketed to women.
Most fiction marketed to men tends to have romance in it as well.
Where did I say men disliked romance? I said the romance genre strictly catered to women in a response to a commenter who made it seem like straight females having double the romance options was only fair for the disadvantage straight women have in gaming.
And in the fiction marketed to most men women are very little besides a trophy at the end of the story or scaffolding for male development. Romance is usually a sidestory in any books marketed to men.
I also wouldn't blame those men for not buying books that clearly don't market to them.
Look at The Witcher. How can you possibly blame women and gay players for not buying a game that is clearly marketed to straight males with a womanizing, grim middle aged straight male protagonist?
I tend to prefer games with better choice for that reason and it's why the omnisexual characters from past games didn't bother me. Gay males got a handle bar mustache and Iron Bull, which people don't seem to understand is simply not of a romance option for people who aren't into inter-species romance, especially in the case of Iron Bull where his physique is completely alien even by Qunari standards -- he's wider and even bulkier than other qunari males.
yep, rescuing the damsel, that is to weak to save herself.................................
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uh, where was I going with that? *walks away*
The marketing is strictly aimed at women. The dialogues and characters are tailored for a straight female sensibility.
If you go to any Diana Gabaldon Q&A for Outlander, which isn't even the most romancey of the romance genre literature, the audience is overwhelmingly female. In weddings and Valentine's Day, the marketing is for the straight female.
Now, if we are talking about other genres such as action or mystery or scifi, yeah straight women have their grievances. But to sit and pretend like straight women aren't privileged in the romance genre and anything related to romance content in games, is bullshit.
I don't know if straight women are privileged in that way or not, but I'm kind of curious as to what you mean by 'a straight female sensibility'?
Surprised that Cullen is race gated while Cassandra isn't. Guess it means more will get to romance Cassandra, so win-win there since if more experience Cassandra than more will like her like us that already planned to romance her. Though how will her family name and the such take if Cassandra romances anyone that isn't the Human Male Inquisitor?
Solas is romancable by female elves? Gonna be awkward no matter what considering his circumstances.
Where did I say men disliked romance?
Surprised that Cullen is race gated while Cassandra isn't. Guess it means more will get to romance Cassandra, so win-win there since if more experience Cassandra than more will like her like us that already planned to romance her. Though how will her family name and the such take if Cassandra romances anyone that isn't the Human Male Inquisitor?
Considering Cassandra gave up her claim to the throne decades ago, I don't think her family will care much.
To no one in particular, just thoughts towards the toxicity of this discussion.
Ya'll do remember this is a work of fiction... a work of art, one might say.
As a Bioware game we can expect romance options… they’ve become somewhat of a “game feature”, and Inquisition has more than delivered on that promise, no matter your orientation. But that’s where the obligation stops. What extra they do or don’t do is their business, and the reasons are theirs, we are free to speculate or comment, but being angry is daft.
If for whatever reason you’re not content with the options present for the character you choose to play as, then the problem is yours alone. It is incredibly unfair to ridicule Bioware for what kind of characters they want to write, and how they want to incorporate them into their vision.
Try to remember that being able to buy and play this game is a privilege. You’re entitled to nothing.
Considering Cassandra gave up her claim to the throne decades ago, I don't think her family will care much.
The thing is they obviously created that reason at some point. They chose to make her not a romance option and made a reason for why. So at least for me, while sure it is nice we get some story-wise reason, it still sucks that the black female is excluded as a LI.
Black women that have personality traits like Viv (seems to have), *are often excluded as romantic partners, never considered desirable or allowed to be vunerable - especially in a romantic context. They are 'too busy to have man' and often 'nag and pick' on others to much.
Considering Cassandra gave up her claim to the throne decades ago, I don't think her family will care much.
Sebastian gave up his claim but he can be talked into it or he'll do it anyway if you let Anders live. So anything could happen.
Besides, she's still of their blood. If she's bedding a Qunari, Dwarf, or Elf and doesn't hide that from the public eye it could hurt their standing and reputation.
Exactly. If the writers wanted to make Viv. romanceable, they would have found a way. From conception they would have put the pieces together to make it work.
As someone who writes in their spare time, that's not quite how writing works (for me, at least). While looking at pacing and sentence structure and the like, you can be very mechanical, but the characters sort of write themselves. You got the hang of who they are and let them live in the story you create.
If they were to deliberately make Vivienne a romance when it doesn't make sense for the character, your romance option would no longer be Vivienne. It'd be a different character.
Sebastian gave up his claim but he can be talked into it or he'll do it anyway if you let Anders live. So anything could happen.
Besides, she's still of their blood. If she's bedding a Qunari, Dwarf, or Elf and doesn't hide that from the public eye it could hurt their standing and reputation.
What do you want people to say then? If any of that was relevant to her plot, she would have been race gated. Since she isn't the writers must not consider her family's reaction to be something that would prevent her from following her heart.
I'm Quite Dissapointed for the straight male player romances in the game, Josephine Cassandra and... thats it... for the straight males.
Yeah, it's pretty weak tbh. Only one actual party member for the straight males.
Me and you, you and me, no matter how they toss the dice we were meant to be, so happy together.......
just lulling.......lolling....whatever, mark me as trolling.... Im lost... cant find my way back..
I appreciate that Bioware finally revealed all the romances, and the post itself was well-written. It's interesting to hear that Cullen's romance was added later. I think most of us assumed, when he and Cass were revealed as LI, that they were the "main" romances. Reading about the initial 2/2/2 plans makes sense, as do the fact that the 2 added romances were male characters, seeing that the game features more male than female companions. After ME3, it's also pretty amazing to see more romances for (straight) female players.
All in all, I'm glad that you revealed the romances in time for us all to digest the new information and hopefully be able to plan our Inquisitors in time for at least the first playthrough. My female Qunari will be romancing Blackwall instead of Cullen, other than that not that much has changed from my previous plans (trying to plan playthroughs with all 4 races, all classes and all romances is quite a puzzle).
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