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[Lennard Testarossa]

And most importantly...we'll get a great story.  We know this! For all it's faults DAII had a great story. And Origins was amazing!

 

This is somewhat off-topic, but: A great story?

 

Origins was a good game, but its story was very, very formulaic. It's basically "An ancient evil has awakened! You, oh Chosen One from a old order founded to destroy this evil, must save humanity!", which is the most tired fantasy cliché there is.

DA 2 was pretty interesting storywise, but after all the criticism it got, it seems more likely that we'll get another "Ancient Evil"-type story with DA:I. If so, it'll be decently written cliché, which will make it a decent story, but not a good one, and most certainly not a great one.

[wright1978]

I don't agree with Aulis, but I don't think he/she's referring to Sera only, but to Solas as well, since he/she didn't say (as far as I know) that male characters don't have the option to romance a female elf specifically, but elves in general.

 

Females having a 6-3 lead across the 3 games in terms of elven Li's is rather frustrating. Hope they can write more stories revolving round elves being interested in males in the future.

[Lee80]

Is irritating that people are so angry about straight females have 2 extra Li's that a race gated, especially when women who complained about ME3 potentially giving them 0 straight choices were usually told to shut up & accept it

No offense, but you had options.  It might have required you to jump through some hoops and start a new shepard-but that hardly makes all the choices you had just disappear.  You had Garrius, Kaidan, Thane (to a lesser degree), and you also had a couple fling options thanks to Citadel in James Vega and Javic.  

 

Pretending to have no options just because you can is far different then complaining about a situation where everyone clearly has fewer options than straight women, who came out like bandits for this game.  

 

By the way I'm not even mad about Straight women getting more options, whatever it can't be helped...but I can't take this Mass Effect 3 thing any more.  You still had as many or more options then gay males...  Get over it already! 

[Ajna]

I'm not sure if you played DA: O right ?! it had a great story sure if you look at it in a simplistic way it seems formularic

so what? the great "side" plots (orzammar for an example) the awesome companions, the epic feel of the game is where it shines

saying that its just about defeating evil and saving humanity doesn't do it justice at all

 

And DA:I will definitely have a great story probably better than DA:O

don't pretend like your opinion is fact ("most certainly not a great one")

 

There are some great comments in the thread about DA:I being formulaic that make me feel all fuzzy when I read them.  I personally LOVE the Monomyth, Joesph Campbell is to me, one of those people from history that I'd have over for dinner if I were throwing a party...along with Nikola Tesla and H.P Lovecraft.

[Lennard Testarossa]

I'm not sure if you played DA: O right ?! it had a great story sure if you look at it in a simplistic way it seems formularic

so what? the great "side" plots (orzammar for an example) the awesome companions, the epic feel of the game is where it shines

saying that its just about defeating evil and saving humanity doesn't do it justice at all

 

And DA:I will definitely have a great story probably better than DA:O

don't pretend like your opinion is fact ("most certainly not a great one")

 

Ah, yes, "That's just like your opinion, man". People could have the opinion that Mario Bros. or 50 Shades of Grey have great stories. Once one accepts all opinions as equal all criticism becomes void, all discussions pointless.

 

You talk about the companions, the 'epic feel'... I didn't say the game was bad, did I? In fact, I said that it's a good game. But we're not talking about the game in general, we're talking about its story and only about its story. And its story is the most tired fantasy cliché in the book. It's excellentely garnished tired cliché, to be sure, but tired cliché it is.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

but I can't take this Mass Effect 3 thing any more.  You still had as many or more options then gay males...  Get over it already! [/size]

I wasn't really that bothered about the ME3 thing actually, i prefer woman over men romantically so i was ok with being stuck with only lesbian relationships, just bothers me that some of the guys that are so outraged about straight females having a couple of extra race gated Li's are the same people who laughed at & ridiculed woman who were upset about getting treated like an afterthought in ME3, straight males have equal choice with gay/lesbian players but it really seems that some people are only happy if they always have double the amount of options as anyone else & act like a oppressed minority whose getting punished if they don't get it.

[Aulis Vaara]

so you upset because you can't romance someone from a fictional race and because us guy don't get one you think it's it's sexiest?

 

Wow just wow....

 

No, it's sexist because it is sexist. Male characters don't get the option, female ones do.

 

 

 

Sexism or gender discrimination is prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender.

 

And again, I play female characters, generally, so I do personally get the option.

[Felya87]

No offense, but you had options.  It might have required you to jump through some hoops and start a new shepard-but that hardly makes all the choices you had just disappear.  You had Garrius, Kaidan, Thane (to a lesser degree), and you also had a couple fling options thanks to Citadel in James Vega and Javic.  

 

Pretending to have no options just because you can is far different then complaining about a situation where everyone clearly has fewer options than straight women, who came out like bandits for this game.  

 

By the way I'm not even mad about Straight women getting more options, whatever it can't be helped...but I can't take this Mass Effect 3 thing any more.  You still had as many or more options then gay males...  Get over it already! 

 

at least gay males had a option no matter what. U_U straight females had to re-play all ME2 (maybe 1) to have their chance. and the citadel flings, as you call it, where insulting and offensive.

 

That was what many straight females where upset for. not only the very hight chance to be left with nothing, but how insulting half the content for them was. Thane to have a decent goodbye need a paid DLC, same to just have an angry reaction to Jacob, James have to be almost raped (ugh that was creepy...) and Javik was an insult (double creepy) and Joker refuse to even consider you (better the metal doll...).

at the end, seem like the message was "we hate/don't care/no one want female shepard".

 

the few choices wasn't a big problem for me personally, since I always go for Garrus when playng a female shepard (so nine times over ten) and I was more than happy with the new content (I like Cortez, and he remind me a lot of a friend of mine), but it felt like not only that femshep was forgotten, but mostly that she was insulted.

 

gay and lesbian had less (or none) options in the previously games, thing I am happy it was at least tryed to change, but at least didn't have all that crap, and where not given such insulting content.

[Kimberly]

^ I don't think he understands the definition of sexist. Might as well let it go.

***edit for spelling! damn auto words

[Melcolloien]

This is somewhat off-topic, but: A great story?

 

Origins was a good game, but its story was very, very formulaic. It's basically "An ancient evil has awakened! You, oh Chosen One from a old order founded to destroy this evil, must save humanity!", which is the most tired fantasy cliché there is.

DA 2 was pretty interesting storywise, but after all the criticism it got, it seems more likely that we'll get another "Ancient Evil"-type story with DA:I. If so, it'll be decently written cliché, which will make it a decent story, but not a good one, and most certainly not a great one.

 

Yes, I meant a great story.
First of all, it is difficult to something that no one has ever done - as an author I know this. 
You are not the chosen one in this - there is no proficy or legend about it. You just take the reins since the only other one in the order doesn't want to. It is still kind of the chosen one yes but a different take to it. 

And what I meant here is the entire game. Not just the base story. The writing is great! The main story is interesting and good, the love stories are well written and most of the characters makes you feel something.
I was disappointed in getting Solas "instead of" Varric - but I am absolutely positive that Solas romance will be great and it won't disappoint. 
I have faith in the writers and voiceactors. 

[Elfyoth]

See, Bioware hates both straight guys and gay people! You're both right!

 

 

Sera is Female only romance.

[SnakeCode]

Yes, I meant a great story.
First of all, it is difficult to something that no one has ever done - as an author I know this. 
You are not the chosen one in this - there is no proficy or legend about it. You just take the reins since the only other one in the order doesn't want to. It is still kind of the chosen one yes but a different take to it. 

And what I meant here is the entire game. Not just the base story. The writing is great! The main story is interesting and good, the love stories are well written and most of the characters makes you feel something.
I was disappointed in getting Solas "instead of" Varric - but I am absolutely positive that Solas romance will be great and it won't disappoint. 
I have faith in the writers and voiceactors. 

To be fair, Quizzy's fade hand kind of dictates that you ARE the chosen one.

[SofaJockey]

No. No. No. I've said before, it's not about equal numbers, it's about equal opportunities. Female inquisitors have multiple elven love interests but males have NONE. Not even one, it's just not an option for them, and that is what is wrong. 

 

It's a bit like saying that women can have any leading function in a company, except being the CFO. For no apparent reason except that those who choose the CFO just don't care for a woman in that particular position.

I don't speak Chinese, do I? Am I that hard to understand?

 

It's not that your point is hard to understand, it's just that to accommodate your female elf LI request equitably would require up to 16 love interests (4 races x 4 sexualities) (16 may include bisexual characters accounting for 2 of those 16 options)

 

To put it politely, I'm sorry it's not an expectation that everyone can have fulfilled. DAI is not a dating simulator.

[Steelcan]

 

. DAI is not a dating simulator.

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[Bugsie]

Females having a 6-3 lead across the 3 games in terms of elven Li's is rather frustrating. Hope they can write more stories revolving round elves being interested in males in the future.

Yeah I get that you want some elf love.  But like that other poster insists its not sexist, unfair, maybe, but not sexist.  Lots of people want dwarves but they get no love.

 

And to put it bluntly, Bioware are not in the business of virtual pimping (despite what some may say).  They'll pick characters and LI they think best fit the story they want to tell not 'lets fit the story around the romances'.

[wright1978]

Yeah I get that you want some elf love.  But like that other poster insists its not sexist, unfair, maybe, but not sexist.  Lots of people want dwarves but they get no love.

 

And to put it bluntly, Bioware are not in the business of virtual pimping (despite what some may say).  They'll pick characters and LI they think best fit the story they want to tell not 'lets fit the story around the romances'.

 

Yeah i agree its just very unbalanced not sexist. I'm not interested in a dwarven LI but agree that one in future would be a step forward.

[General TSAR]

DAI is not a dating simulator.

Needs to be gold stamped, framed, and hanged over the entrance to the DAI forums. 

 

But personally, I'm glad straight f!inquisitors have more options given how straight femsheps got screwed over pretty hard in ME3.

[Melcolloien]

To be fair, Quizzy's fade hand kind of dictates that you ARE the chosen one.

I was talking about Origins, not Inquisition 

[SofaJockey]

Yeah I get that you want some elf love.  But like that other poster insists its not sexist, unfair, maybe, but not sexist.  Lots of people want dwarves but they get no love.

 

If course if people must have role play where they can fully control their lady elf fantasies and customisation options then they are available in other game formats... people just have to colour them in themselves...

 

 

1. time to stop before I cross the line from satire to mockery 

2. I did check cut-out dwarf action but sadly Snow White is hogging the limelight...

[Spectre Impersonator]

After reading this thread, I wonder how Bioware employees can even stomach their most rabid fans.

[Gervaise]

Would just point out that so far as storylines go, it is widely acknowledged that there are only a few basic frameworks that all stories follow.    What makes one different from another and a great story stand out from a merely good one is the quality of the narrative and the characters within it.   Bioware has always stood out because of the characterisation of companions, the friendships, rivalries and romances.    There have also been a fair few stand out villains that our hero has to overcome.   What is wrong with having to save the world?    Surely that is what classic fantasy is all about.    Having a definite aim also helps the build towards a final conclusion.

 

In DAO there was never any doubt from the beginning that you would have to save the world.   What was important, and what provided the variety, was how you did it.   It had me totally emotionally involved, particularly during the Battle of Denerim because I had turned Morrigan down.     With DA2 I felt that the real climax was at the end of Act 2 and the confrontation with the Arishok, particularly if you opted for the one on one.  You may not have saved the world but your had saved Kirkwall.    For me Act 3 felt like a really long drawn out epilogue and the two final boss battles were just silly because of the motivation (Orsino despairing when I had just hammered the Templars with no casualties on our side) and Meredith (suddenly acquiring super powers).

 

DAI looks as though it is going to be genuinely epic.   Yes, we are going to be saving the world again, but I really hope we can do this conventionally and kick his a**, not have some odd art house resolution or a totally daft twist.

 

As for the romances, I think we are lucky to have so many choices and that the romances have been written to fit the character and story rather than just making them a generic, one size fits all.   Yes, there appears a gender bias but I prefer to see it from the positive point of view.       If you take out Cullen and Solas, who are only there because they were allowed the extra time to put them in, and you are left with 2 choices for each orientation.      In the past Cullen and Solas would have come to us as DLC (like Sebastian and he was only available to females), so I'm just glad they are there in the main game.

[KingoftheZempk]

Gah just saw the news now. Still a little disappointed that my canon run (well what seemingly for now will be my canon run) will only romance Josephine, but oh well. I do think this game will be the first one where I really want to romance all the characters though. DAO, I hated Zevran's romance, and in DA2 I hated Anders', most of Merril's and most of Fenris' romances. But these seem really interesting.

 

Good work, Bioware Team.

[Pasquale1234]

Its the same with me if there really is an option to play as a male I pick it instantly
 because its a bit difficult for me to play from a woman's mindset
 
Its not something that is game breaking (I still play games with female protagonists and enjoy them) but I prefer male protagonists

Might I suggest that there's no such thing as a universal "woman's mindset"?

There are plenty of RL women who are architects, engineers, corporate executives, doctors, lawyers, technicians, military leaders, mathmeticians, scientists, cops, firefighters, athletes, carpenters, college deans, etc. - and perhaps their "mindsets" are not all that different from their male counterparts.

I don't mean to pick on you personally - but would like to make a suggestion to anyone who would like to play a female character but finds it difficult: play her exactly as you would play a male character in the same situation. There is probably more variance among mindsets of different individual male characters as exists between male and female characters.